> The sample was categorized according to age- and gender-specific obesity
cut-off points as follows [21]:
>• 40–59 years: BF% ≥ 40% for females and BF% ≥ 28% for males.
>• 60–79 years: BF% ≥ 42% for females and BF% ≥ 30% for males.
UuusernameWith4Us on
It’s kind of funny that this is a logical consequence of the ‘BMI is wrong because bodybuilders exist’ argument.
BMI overestimates obesity for muscular people, which suggests it also underestimates obesity for people with little muscle. There’s a lot more of the latter group in our very sedentary society, so BMI underestimates obesity instead of overestimating it which is what the argument is usually used to suggest.
Business_Ad561 on
Lots of “sit-down” jobs nowadays. People working from home, not moving and walking as much as they used to.
The only bit of happiness a lot of people get is through a Big Mac meal or takeaway and other dopamine-inducing processed foods.
Francis-c92 on
If we’re honest, how many people are actually educated on nutrition and exercise to make permanent healthy changes to their lifestyles?
How many people know how to read nutrition labels, or count calories, or tell the difference between simple and complex carbohydrates?
I wonder how many people you’d ask who say they eat healthily but aren’t losing weight for example, when their diet gets broken down they find out they’re actually overeating by 2/300 calories each day without knowing.
And to be fair, no one teaches people these things. You have to want to seek it out.
It should be mandatory in schools for parents and children to learn this stuff.
quarky_uk on
If we want the NHS to be able to cope with the ever increasing needs, people need to fulfill their side of the contract, and take some responsibility for their own health too.
Dry_Yogurt2458 on
Fat has become the new normal and overweight people judging their size by those around them feel that they are a normal size. Then there are those that make excuses such as “I’m big boned” or my personal favourite “Some people can’t lose weight because of a medical condition”. These people are very few and far between. As an ex fatty I can see how it is easy to gain weight and make excuses for yourself, but honestly there is no real excuse. I dropped 32 Kilos whilst on a drug that is notorious for making you gain weight.
Losing weight is hard, it requires a lifestyle change as well as a change of diet, but if we don’t do something about this issue then we will soon have the youngest ever age group requiring care.
In your middle age muscle atrophy begins, and if you don’t have enough muscle to carry your weight far in your 30’s then by the time you hit your fifties and sixties you will be in big trouble. Previous generations didn’t have this issue as they had active jobs, or even if they had an office job they cycled or walked to work. They had a base of cardio and muscular strength to ensure that they didn’t enter care until their true old age.
This generation that are currently in middle age and obese are going to require care much earlier simply due to the fact that they are immobile and unable to move any distance.
Luficer_Morning_star on
We consume a lot more calories than we actually need due to most peoples lack of exercise.
We all should be moving a LOT more but to be fair to the middle aged, they probably wasn’t taught as well as they should of been years ago.
English people for some reason have this mentality oh I am middle aged now it’s normal to be ridiculous overweight. It really isn’t.
Alcohol and our shit eating is probably to blame, burning weight off my exercise is actually quite hard.
MichaelHuntPain on
The UK is closing in on the U.S. for obese people, but nowhere near close to Mexico, the reigning champion for fat people.
Monkeyboogaloo on
I always find it funny when 20 something redditors talk about how easy it is to stay slim and healthy. It was for me too, even though I ate shit and drank too much. I’m now in my 50s and if I ate what I do now in my 20s I would have been just bones!
Education on nutrition in this country is very poor. Junk food and convenience makes that worse.
Sedentary jobs is a big issue. I could sit at my desk for 10 hours a day and then sit on the sofa and not move all day. As it is I am going for a walk but the three miles I’m going to do would be nothing compared to any sort of semi manual work.
saf_1001 on
I wonder if we’ll all be taking the semaglutide injection in a few years.
Basic_witch2023 on
Can we ban cigarettes and vapes as well? Oh no let’s just chastise people who struggle to control weight. Nevermind that we need to work horrendous hours to stay afloat at jobs that demand all our energy and buy cheap rubbish food cuz fresh fruit and vegetables are dear and have a shelf life of a half day.
Parking-Specific-259 on
Just going off the eye test a lot of people seem to have gotten so fat since lockdown.
TheSchmeeble1 on
I was fuckin horrified to find out I was well on my way to morbidly obese a couple years back
I knew I was fat and looked it, but OBESE?? Absolutely shocked
I was so angry I got my eating under control, logged food (not calories), cut out chocolate, all sweets, cake, sweet bakes, crisps, sugary drinks and made a pointed effort to eat more salads and protein, took up running 3x a week and went to gym 3x a week
Been almost 2 years now and have kept the weight off with some fluctuations but even without exercise for months from injuries my weight has stayed stable thanks to the eating habits I established before I even thought about exercising
I’m still 6kg overweight according to BMI but target is in sight and just summoning the energy to get back on the weightloss horse to get to my target of 72kg, I’ll then worry about getting to mid range weight of healthy
Think I really need to get into portion sizes, not eating till 100% full and get under the skin of how calories are actually burned from exercise
I welcome any pointers
NewPhoneWhoDispair on
So people will be extremely unhealthy and unwell starting earlier in their lives, middle aged.
AND they will also be expected to work much longer than previous generations before they can retire.
Plus the quality of their lives is getting worse.
Add in that AI and robotics will take over many jobs and lots more out of work.
There’s a bit of a shit storm brewing here and when it hits in a few years it’ll be awful.
JavitoMM on
Oh well, given how obesity reduces life expentancy it seems that the allegued overpopulation will be eventually solved after all.
TheSpaceFace on
I grew up in a family which barely could afford the clothes on the back of me and my siblings. My mother worked multiple jobs and my father was struggling to provide even on a full time job.
My parents would buy the cheapest possible food they could, which was always ultra processed food, because you can buy it in bulk and also frozen food had a great shelf life and could last us a while.
This means I grew up on a diet of Fishcakes, Peas and Frozen Chips for most of my life. My dad was obese and would often comfort eat, as I grew older I eat the only thing I knew, at the time schools were also serving ultra processed food all my friends around me eat processed food and having fish and chips or mcdonalds as a treat on a friday was normal.
In my twenties this mean I was obese and on my way to be morbidly obese. People would often see me being fat as a lifestyle choice which is partially true, but I can promise you no obese person in the UK intentionally wants to be obese, its due to the food culture they have grown up in, its really really hard to change your cooking habits and diet when your poor and really busy, but its possible.
My diet has changed thankfully but it wasn’t easy and I could only do it because I am on a better wage than my parents were. But we are so easy to blame the individuals being obese when clearly if 40% of adults are overweight there is a societal issue with eating cheap junk food in the UK.
Companies are making billions off feeding families crap which will make them overweight and could kill them. If healthier food was made cheaper and eating junk food was made to be more of a taboo, I think we would see a vast change in the rates of obesity in the UK.
Dunkmaxxing on
Lack of time/education leads to this. It’s not surprising. Bad parenting, people driving when they should walk, people binge eating shit food due to convenience etc. It’s also harder to change once you are already unhealthy than it is to avoid it. It’s an issue that can be solved, but society needs to change pace/attitude.
Holbrad on
Might be an unpopular take. (Nuance often is)
But we really just don’t understand obesity. It’s actually quite a compelling mystery.
We had high food availability for decades without obesity. Ample access to calories. 1970-80’s France being a particularly decadent example of everybody having abundant access to high calorie foods and not being anywhere near as fat as today. (Or early 1900s American)
Even people with sedentary occupations like Doctors and Lawyers in the past were lean (The common lean man was not some exercise obsessed health guru). We’ve had cars, escalators and lifts for decades as well.
But now in the relatively recent past we’ve had populations all over the world explode in weight from the obvious examples of the Americans to low sugar Vegetarian Indians. (With corresponding rates of diabetes)
Almost every country is dealing with obesity they are just at different points in the time line.
Apart from Korea and Japan are seemingly largely immune from this trend.
Borderline every single fat person has tried to loose weight multiple times. Move more, eat less doesn’t seem like viable advice.
And scientific studies on long term weight loss are equally depressing. We just don’t know how to fix obesity.
(Tautological really, if we knew how to solve it, it would be solved)
It’s very difficult to solve a problem you don’t understand the causes of.
William_Taylor-Jade on
Meat and dairy should not be subsided
Fruit and vegetables should be. The price of meat is artificially lower than it otherwise would be but the reverse is true of fruit.
StructureZE on
I use to believe dieting was a up hill battle until I learnt about TDEE, BMR and counting calories.
Conceptualising those aspects of dieting basically stopped any mental blockage I had with losing weight.
Most people who are overweight and obese aren’t aware of the science behind this and if they know simple life changes (increasing tdee) or how many calories there are in peanut butter, most people would be at a healthy bmi.
I’ve went from 118.8kg down to 103kg in less than 2 months as a 178cm male. I didn’t realise how much calories there are in food and how beneficial walking.
There is no excuses for being obese besides from being raised obese by parents.
PracticalBat9586 on
Lots of people in this thread taking the “well if you don’t like being poisoned by the arsenic in your bread, maybe just take some personal responsibility and don’t buy bread with arsenic in it?” approach to solving systemic issues. It’s really quite depressing how many people – although we **are** talking Redditors here – seem unable to differentiate between systemic and individual issues.
If 40% of people were getting electrocuted by their showers you wouldn’t say “well maybe take some bloody personal responsibility and stop putting your hand on the exposed wires while you’re having a shower”, would you? No, you’d ask why **on earth** in 2024 there are bathrooms with exposed wires. Look to the environment for systemic issues.
69itsallogrenow69 on
I’m 6’1 and 67kg. Feels good.
Combination of very physical job and I don’t consume any sugar in my diet.
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Since it’s not in the article or the abstract….
> The sample was categorized according to age- and gender-specific obesity
cut-off points as follows [21]:
>• 40–59 years: BF% ≥ 40% for females and BF% ≥ 28% for males.
>• 60–79 years: BF% ≥ 42% for females and BF% ≥ 30% for males.
It’s kind of funny that this is a logical consequence of the ‘BMI is wrong because bodybuilders exist’ argument.
BMI overestimates obesity for muscular people, which suggests it also underestimates obesity for people with little muscle. There’s a lot more of the latter group in our very sedentary society, so BMI underestimates obesity instead of overestimating it which is what the argument is usually used to suggest.
Lots of “sit-down” jobs nowadays. People working from home, not moving and walking as much as they used to.
The only bit of happiness a lot of people get is through a Big Mac meal or takeaway and other dopamine-inducing processed foods.
If we’re honest, how many people are actually educated on nutrition and exercise to make permanent healthy changes to their lifestyles?
How many people know how to read nutrition labels, or count calories, or tell the difference between simple and complex carbohydrates?
I wonder how many people you’d ask who say they eat healthily but aren’t losing weight for example, when their diet gets broken down they find out they’re actually overeating by 2/300 calories each day without knowing.
And to be fair, no one teaches people these things. You have to want to seek it out.
It should be mandatory in schools for parents and children to learn this stuff.
If we want the NHS to be able to cope with the ever increasing needs, people need to fulfill their side of the contract, and take some responsibility for their own health too.
Fat has become the new normal and overweight people judging their size by those around them feel that they are a normal size. Then there are those that make excuses such as “I’m big boned” or my personal favourite “Some people can’t lose weight because of a medical condition”. These people are very few and far between. As an ex fatty I can see how it is easy to gain weight and make excuses for yourself, but honestly there is no real excuse. I dropped 32 Kilos whilst on a drug that is notorious for making you gain weight.
Losing weight is hard, it requires a lifestyle change as well as a change of diet, but if we don’t do something about this issue then we will soon have the youngest ever age group requiring care.
In your middle age muscle atrophy begins, and if you don’t have enough muscle to carry your weight far in your 30’s then by the time you hit your fifties and sixties you will be in big trouble. Previous generations didn’t have this issue as they had active jobs, or even if they had an office job they cycled or walked to work. They had a base of cardio and muscular strength to ensure that they didn’t enter care until their true old age.
This generation that are currently in middle age and obese are going to require care much earlier simply due to the fact that they are immobile and unable to move any distance.
We consume a lot more calories than we actually need due to most peoples lack of exercise.
We all should be moving a LOT more but to be fair to the middle aged, they probably wasn’t taught as well as they should of been years ago.
English people for some reason have this mentality oh I am middle aged now it’s normal to be ridiculous overweight. It really isn’t.
Alcohol and our shit eating is probably to blame, burning weight off my exercise is actually quite hard.
The UK is closing in on the U.S. for obese people, but nowhere near close to Mexico, the reigning champion for fat people.
I always find it funny when 20 something redditors talk about how easy it is to stay slim and healthy. It was for me too, even though I ate shit and drank too much. I’m now in my 50s and if I ate what I do now in my 20s I would have been just bones!
Education on nutrition in this country is very poor. Junk food and convenience makes that worse.
Sedentary jobs is a big issue. I could sit at my desk for 10 hours a day and then sit on the sofa and not move all day. As it is I am going for a walk but the three miles I’m going to do would be nothing compared to any sort of semi manual work.
I wonder if we’ll all be taking the semaglutide injection in a few years.
Can we ban cigarettes and vapes as well? Oh no let’s just chastise people who struggle to control weight. Nevermind that we need to work horrendous hours to stay afloat at jobs that demand all our energy and buy cheap rubbish food cuz fresh fruit and vegetables are dear and have a shelf life of a half day.
Just going off the eye test a lot of people seem to have gotten so fat since lockdown.
I was fuckin horrified to find out I was well on my way to morbidly obese a couple years back
I knew I was fat and looked it, but OBESE?? Absolutely shocked
I was so angry I got my eating under control, logged food (not calories), cut out chocolate, all sweets, cake, sweet bakes, crisps, sugary drinks and made a pointed effort to eat more salads and protein, took up running 3x a week and went to gym 3x a week
Been almost 2 years now and have kept the weight off with some fluctuations but even without exercise for months from injuries my weight has stayed stable thanks to the eating habits I established before I even thought about exercising
I’m still 6kg overweight according to BMI but target is in sight and just summoning the energy to get back on the weightloss horse to get to my target of 72kg, I’ll then worry about getting to mid range weight of healthy
Think I really need to get into portion sizes, not eating till 100% full and get under the skin of how calories are actually burned from exercise
I welcome any pointers
So people will be extremely unhealthy and unwell starting earlier in their lives, middle aged.
AND they will also be expected to work much longer than previous generations before they can retire.
Plus the quality of their lives is getting worse.
Add in that AI and robotics will take over many jobs and lots more out of work.
There’s a bit of a shit storm brewing here and when it hits in a few years it’ll be awful.
Oh well, given how obesity reduces life expentancy it seems that the allegued overpopulation will be eventually solved after all.
I grew up in a family which barely could afford the clothes on the back of me and my siblings. My mother worked multiple jobs and my father was struggling to provide even on a full time job.
My parents would buy the cheapest possible food they could, which was always ultra processed food, because you can buy it in bulk and also frozen food had a great shelf life and could last us a while.
This means I grew up on a diet of Fishcakes, Peas and Frozen Chips for most of my life. My dad was obese and would often comfort eat, as I grew older I eat the only thing I knew, at the time schools were also serving ultra processed food all my friends around me eat processed food and having fish and chips or mcdonalds as a treat on a friday was normal.
In my twenties this mean I was obese and on my way to be morbidly obese. People would often see me being fat as a lifestyle choice which is partially true, but I can promise you no obese person in the UK intentionally wants to be obese, its due to the food culture they have grown up in, its really really hard to change your cooking habits and diet when your poor and really busy, but its possible.
My diet has changed thankfully but it wasn’t easy and I could only do it because I am on a better wage than my parents were. But we are so easy to blame the individuals being obese when clearly if 40% of adults are overweight there is a societal issue with eating cheap junk food in the UK.
Companies are making billions off feeding families crap which will make them overweight and could kill them. If healthier food was made cheaper and eating junk food was made to be more of a taboo, I think we would see a vast change in the rates of obesity in the UK.
Lack of time/education leads to this. It’s not surprising. Bad parenting, people driving when they should walk, people binge eating shit food due to convenience etc. It’s also harder to change once you are already unhealthy than it is to avoid it. It’s an issue that can be solved, but society needs to change pace/attitude.
Might be an unpopular take. (Nuance often is)
But we really just don’t understand obesity. It’s actually quite a compelling mystery.
We had high food availability for decades without obesity. Ample access to calories. 1970-80’s France being a particularly decadent example of everybody having abundant access to high calorie foods and not being anywhere near as fat as today. (Or early 1900s American)
Even people with sedentary occupations like Doctors and Lawyers in the past were lean (The common lean man was not some exercise obsessed health guru). We’ve had cars, escalators and lifts for decades as well.
But now in the relatively recent past we’ve had populations all over the world explode in weight from the obvious examples of the Americans to low sugar Vegetarian Indians. (With corresponding rates of diabetes)
Almost every country is dealing with obesity they are just at different points in the time line.
Apart from Korea and Japan are seemingly largely immune from this trend.
Borderline every single fat person has tried to loose weight multiple times. Move more, eat less doesn’t seem like viable advice.
And scientific studies on long term weight loss are equally depressing. We just don’t know how to fix obesity.
(Tautological really, if we knew how to solve it, it would be solved)
It’s very difficult to solve a problem you don’t understand the causes of.
Meat and dairy should not be subsided
Fruit and vegetables should be. The price of meat is artificially lower than it otherwise would be but the reverse is true of fruit.
I use to believe dieting was a up hill battle until I learnt about TDEE, BMR and counting calories.
Conceptualising those aspects of dieting basically stopped any mental blockage I had with losing weight.
Most people who are overweight and obese aren’t aware of the science behind this and if they know simple life changes (increasing tdee) or how many calories there are in peanut butter, most people would be at a healthy bmi.
I’ve went from 118.8kg down to 103kg in less than 2 months as a 178cm male. I didn’t realise how much calories there are in food and how beneficial walking.
There is no excuses for being obese besides from being raised obese by parents.
Lots of people in this thread taking the “well if you don’t like being poisoned by the arsenic in your bread, maybe just take some personal responsibility and don’t buy bread with arsenic in it?” approach to solving systemic issues. It’s really quite depressing how many people – although we **are** talking Redditors here – seem unable to differentiate between systemic and individual issues.
If 40% of people were getting electrocuted by their showers you wouldn’t say “well maybe take some bloody personal responsibility and stop putting your hand on the exposed wires while you’re having a shower”, would you? No, you’d ask why **on earth** in 2024 there are bathrooms with exposed wires. Look to the environment for systemic issues.
I’m 6’1 and 67kg. Feels good.
Combination of very physical job and I don’t consume any sugar in my diet.