South Korea’s population could plummet to just 15 percent of its current level by 2125 if the nation’s ongoing demographic decline continues unabated, according to a private think tank in Seoul on Wednesday.
In its latest long-term forecast, the Korean Peninsula Population Institute for Future used a cohort component method to project Korea’s demographic trends over the next century. This internationally recognized technique estimates future populations by incorporating factors such as birth rates, mortality rates and immigration patterns.
Under the institute’s worst-case scenario, South Korea’s population could drop to 7.53 million by 2125 — a sharp fall from the current 51.68 million. This would be even less than the current population of the city of Seoul alone, which is over 9.3 million.
Canuck-overseas on
Too bad they don’t like immigrants.
I am here in Africa, they will add another billion people over the next 25 years.
ZanzerFineSuits on
Drastic studies like this rarely account for changes in behavior.
ingenix1 on
So all North Korea needs to do to win is hang on for 100 years then must walk across the DMZ
It seems to me there is no way that societal structure wouldn’t fall apart well before those population drop levels.
pk666 on
Good.
What was the population 100 years ago? Out of curiosity….
ISC_Dude on
Who would win? South Korea vs South Africa vs South Sudan vs South America vs New South Wales?
Plane-Return-5135 on
I wonder how the figures are distributed by socio-professional category and wealth class, it could also give an indicator of the type of change, will the poor resist better and there will be this delta resulting in a country with a less wealthy class who will have to climb the social ladder without having benefited from inheritance or will they disappear to the benefit of the wealthier managerial classes, if the wealthy classes have more children, then Korean society will have a stronger middle-class base, which will have earned their wealth through inheritance (which should lead to even richer people); if the wealthy Koreans don’t have children, then the wealth of these families will be extinguished to the benefit of the state, without any generational redistribution.
We could also ask questions about other themes, such as religion. Let’s say by example that Protestants have far more children there, and that these children are adult Protestants, so we could observe a fairly strong natural progression in this theme.
jkirkire123 on
What’s the reason for this sharp decline in birth rates?
MeatyBoy269 on
The answer obviously to import millions of third world peasants with low IQ, no formal education, and high propensity to violence.
Upbeat_Parking_7794 on
Probably when house prices start being more accessible, education easy to get and parents quality of life in general more valued, people will start having more kids.
Worldly_Spare_3319 on
North K will just have to wait for their neighbour to collapse by itself.
Ooofy_Doofy_ on
As a Korean man if you’re not Nam Joo-hyuk a Korean woman will have a list of requirements longer than joining the Navy SEALs.
Protean_Protein on
“Mom, can we have more Koreans?” — “We have Koreans at home!”
In all seriousness, it is interesting to see these predictions for stark drop offs in population a couple decades after similar fear-mongering about overpopulation. Both are clearly righteous in the danger of the threat. But it’s hard to know exactly what will happen. Diaspora populations aren’t going to come back, but imagine what would happen if the world’s “Irish” went to live in Ireland, for example.
rick5000 on
America needs it to read:
Karen population could drop by 85% in the next 10 year
Glaborage on
Unless they learn to breath underwater, the population will drop by 100% by this time. It will be covered by the ocean, like most of south east Asia.
Meanteenbirder on
For those bringing up North Korea, they are expected to peak in 20 years, and lose about a fifth of their current population by 2100.
sweet_37 on
I know that bad work-life balance and the cost of living are the biggest reason for people having kids, but I’d be very interested to see the correlation of PFAS concentration and fertility across the world
Square-Care5643 on
People out here saying that N Korea will win in 100 years but are missing the fact that N Korea is also going through a population crisis. Not at the rate at S Korea but they are also below the replacement levels of 2.1
Turns out, one is caused by the high cost of living and overworking of citizens and the other is caused by severe dictatorship and absolute control on every aspect of citizens.
shimapanlover on
It will be even faster, at some point infrastructure will crumble and society will follow close behind. At that point, birth rates will drop even harder, people who can will leave for greener pastures until only old people remain who will die out.
Weird-Bat-8075 on
Yeah adressing that should probably be priority number one right now as it directly impacts every other part of life in a country
opisska on
If they feel like not having enough people, there are still countries in the world where the birth rate is over 4 and millions of people are actively trying to leave. The solution really is very simple, the only problem is racism.
WhoRoger on
I find it interesting how people try to make predictions for 100 years into the future, as if there is supposed to be anything left in 100 years.
Smartimess on
Treat your workers like shitstained serfs with a crippling work culture and low wages and nobody wants children anymore. Can‘t believe that someone is really surprised by that.
And the USA will follow them very soon, like most parts of Asia and Europe.
BorderKeeper on
– People in 2015: “Human population will grow to 100 billion”
– People in 2025: “We are all going to go extinct”
Jeez statisticans make up your mind…
foldinger on
Or maybe with technology they just get only girls in the future. When each woman gets one girl then population stays stable – except for the men.
-_Weltschmerz_- on
You can’t extrapolate trends over this long. At some point population will have declined enough to bring down housing costs and people will be having more children again. Under the assumption that 80% of the population won’t be absolutely impoverished while the other 20% siphon of all the wealth of course.
taco_helmet on
Declining birth rates make sense when you consider that we don’t really value children. Only our material assets, and cognitive and physical abilities, are valued. Children are either a huge gamble on their future achievements (if your goal is to accumulate intergenerational wealth) or an unpaid labour of love. And by love here, I mean non-transactional behaviour where you do something for someone out of genuine affection. We can’t help but be conditioned within capitalism to view human relationships as transactional, including parenthood. The notion that poor material conditions and high cost of living are behind low birth rates is not supported by historical or contemporary evidence of the relationship between living conditions and fertility rates. People just don’t really want children that much. Which, frankly, is fine. Society will undergo major changes and a new world will follow this one.
dlo009 on
I didn’t read the article, sorry about that. But in 100 years, there’s a lot that can happen. Maybe SK society will look for other alternatives, or maybe there won’t be the need for so much population, especially in a country whose trend is to be highly automated.
PigeonsOnYourBalcony on
We don’t see the fall of nations very often and a fall by this means is something that we all need to take note of. If you create conditions where people cannot have kids or feel so demoralized that they don’t want to have kids, you’re going to face population collapse.
There’s a reason why we are constantly screaming to tax the rich. This problem is 100% solvable and Korea and many other countries facing the same kinds of issues can rebound pretty quick if they take a harder look at themselves. What’s more valuable, short-term quarterly gains for rich people who already have more than they can handle, or the future of your entire civilization?
LupusDeusMagnus on
I don’t know how the world will be in a 100 years, even accounting for lower population (and thus lower innovation). I mean, for all I know, the societal strain that is supporting all the elderly in an increasingly shrinking youth population makes it so that in 25 years a new religion pops up in South Korea and suddenly people start having 5+ kids.
Rare_Walk_4845 on
Testament to the ruling establishment political classes, that they’ve created a country no one wants to have a family in.
LucJenson on
Just experiences the largest rise in birth rate… South Korea births surge to fastest rate in a generation | South Korea | The Guardian https://share.google/55a5Q8WnMUwf2NL8J
Tree branches don’t grow to reach the moon and their roots don’t dig to the earth’s core. Current trends don’t continue unabated. The effects of the trend itself cause the counter-reaction.
PunkBiBiBi on
All popular will be dropped that much or more anyway by then with climate change.
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From the article
South Korea’s population could plummet to just 15 percent of its current level by 2125 if the nation’s ongoing demographic decline continues unabated, according to a private think tank in Seoul on Wednesday.
In its latest long-term forecast, the Korean Peninsula Population Institute for Future used a cohort component method to project Korea’s demographic trends over the next century. This internationally recognized technique estimates future populations by incorporating factors such as birth rates, mortality rates and immigration patterns.
Under the institute’s worst-case scenario, South Korea’s population could drop to 7.53 million by 2125 — a sharp fall from the current 51.68 million. This would be even less than the current population of the city of Seoul alone, which is over 9.3 million.
Too bad they don’t like immigrants.
I am here in Africa, they will add another billion people over the next 25 years.
Drastic studies like this rarely account for changes in behavior.
So all North Korea needs to do to win is hang on for 100 years then must walk across the DMZ
Kurzgesagt did a video on this recently.
Not looking good for S. Korea.
https://youtu.be/Ufmu1WD2TSk?si=8UXtDiqY6coAAib_
It seems to me there is no way that societal structure wouldn’t fall apart well before those population drop levels.
Good.
What was the population 100 years ago? Out of curiosity….
Who would win? South Korea vs South Africa vs South Sudan vs South America vs New South Wales?
I wonder how the figures are distributed by socio-professional category and wealth class, it could also give an indicator of the type of change, will the poor resist better and there will be this delta resulting in a country with a less wealthy class who will have to climb the social ladder without having benefited from inheritance or will they disappear to the benefit of the wealthier managerial classes, if the wealthy classes have more children, then Korean society will have a stronger middle-class base, which will have earned their wealth through inheritance (which should lead to even richer people); if the wealthy Koreans don’t have children, then the wealth of these families will be extinguished to the benefit of the state, without any generational redistribution.
We could also ask questions about other themes, such as religion. Let’s say by example that Protestants have far more children there, and that these children are adult Protestants, so we could observe a fairly strong natural progression in this theme.
What’s the reason for this sharp decline in birth rates?
The answer obviously to import millions of third world peasants with low IQ, no formal education, and high propensity to violence.
Probably when house prices start being more accessible, education easy to get and parents quality of life in general more valued, people will start having more kids.
North K will just have to wait for their neighbour to collapse by itself.
As a Korean man if you’re not Nam Joo-hyuk a Korean woman will have a list of requirements longer than joining the Navy SEALs.
“Mom, can we have more Koreans?” — “We have Koreans at home!”
In all seriousness, it is interesting to see these predictions for stark drop offs in population a couple decades after similar fear-mongering about overpopulation. Both are clearly righteous in the danger of the threat. But it’s hard to know exactly what will happen. Diaspora populations aren’t going to come back, but imagine what would happen if the world’s “Irish” went to live in Ireland, for example.
America needs it to read:
Karen population could drop by 85% in the next 10 year
Unless they learn to breath underwater, the population will drop by 100% by this time. It will be covered by the ocean, like most of south east Asia.
For those bringing up North Korea, they are expected to peak in 20 years, and lose about a fifth of their current population by 2100.
I know that bad work-life balance and the cost of living are the biggest reason for people having kids, but I’d be very interested to see the correlation of PFAS concentration and fertility across the world
People out here saying that N Korea will win in 100 years but are missing the fact that N Korea is also going through a population crisis. Not at the rate at S Korea but they are also below the replacement levels of 2.1
Turns out, one is caused by the high cost of living and overworking of citizens and the other is caused by severe dictatorship and absolute control on every aspect of citizens.
It will be even faster, at some point infrastructure will crumble and society will follow close behind. At that point, birth rates will drop even harder, people who can will leave for greener pastures until only old people remain who will die out.
Yeah adressing that should probably be priority number one right now as it directly impacts every other part of life in a country
If they feel like not having enough people, there are still countries in the world where the birth rate is over 4 and millions of people are actively trying to leave. The solution really is very simple, the only problem is racism.
I find it interesting how people try to make predictions for 100 years into the future, as if there is supposed to be anything left in 100 years.
Treat your workers like shitstained serfs with a crippling work culture and low wages and nobody wants children anymore. Can‘t believe that someone is really surprised by that.
And the USA will follow them very soon, like most parts of Asia and Europe.
– People in 2015: “Human population will grow to 100 billion”
– People in 2025: “We are all going to go extinct”
Jeez statisticans make up your mind…
Or maybe with technology they just get only girls in the future. When each woman gets one girl then population stays stable – except for the men.
You can’t extrapolate trends over this long. At some point population will have declined enough to bring down housing costs and people will be having more children again. Under the assumption that 80% of the population won’t be absolutely impoverished while the other 20% siphon of all the wealth of course.
Declining birth rates make sense when you consider that we don’t really value children. Only our material assets, and cognitive and physical abilities, are valued. Children are either a huge gamble on their future achievements (if your goal is to accumulate intergenerational wealth) or an unpaid labour of love. And by love here, I mean non-transactional behaviour where you do something for someone out of genuine affection. We can’t help but be conditioned within capitalism to view human relationships as transactional, including parenthood. The notion that poor material conditions and high cost of living are behind low birth rates is not supported by historical or contemporary evidence of the relationship between living conditions and fertility rates. People just don’t really want children that much. Which, frankly, is fine. Society will undergo major changes and a new world will follow this one.
I didn’t read the article, sorry about that. But in 100 years, there’s a lot that can happen. Maybe SK society will look for other alternatives, or maybe there won’t be the need for so much population, especially in a country whose trend is to be highly automated.
We don’t see the fall of nations very often and a fall by this means is something that we all need to take note of. If you create conditions where people cannot have kids or feel so demoralized that they don’t want to have kids, you’re going to face population collapse.
There’s a reason why we are constantly screaming to tax the rich. This problem is 100% solvable and Korea and many other countries facing the same kinds of issues can rebound pretty quick if they take a harder look at themselves. What’s more valuable, short-term quarterly gains for rich people who already have more than they can handle, or the future of your entire civilization?
I don’t know how the world will be in a 100 years, even accounting for lower population (and thus lower innovation). I mean, for all I know, the societal strain that is supporting all the elderly in an increasingly shrinking youth population makes it so that in 25 years a new religion pops up in South Korea and suddenly people start having 5+ kids.
Testament to the ruling establishment political classes, that they’ve created a country no one wants to have a family in.
Just experiences the largest rise in birth rate… South Korea births surge to fastest rate in a generation | South Korea | The Guardian https://share.google/55a5Q8WnMUwf2NL8J
[My honest reaction to this study](https://xkcd.com/605/)
Tree branches don’t grow to reach the moon and their roots don’t dig to the earth’s core. Current trends don’t continue unabated. The effects of the trend itself cause the counter-reaction.
All popular will be dropped that much or more anyway by then with climate change.