Labour sees biggest first-year poll drop for governing party since 1990s
https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/uk-politics/labour-sees-biggest-first-year-poll-drop-for-governing-party-since-1990s/
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Labour sees biggest first-year poll drop for governing party since 1990s
https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/uk-politics/labour-sees-biggest-first-year-poll-drop-for-governing-party-since-1990s/
Posted by tylerthe-theatre
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I would still take them over reform and conservatives… it’s been 12 months, let them make mistakes they have a long way to go before they are as bad as the conservatives.
This was shown with the conservatives. The rise of social media and exposure to news means opinion polls are very spikey
It does feel like the media wants them to fail in order to get Reform in power.
(From the link)”The findings have been compiled by the PA news agency”. From Wikipedia “PA Media is a multimedia news agency. It is part of PA Media Group Limited, a private company with 26 shareholders, most of whom are national and regional newspaper publishers. The biggest shareholders include the Daily Mail and General Trust, News UK, and Informa.” Thanks LBC, expected nothing less.
Unfortunately it seems they aren’t going to take the more radical policy decisions the country needs and the public expects.
Yeah well serves them right for not fixing 14 years of decline in five minutes
The problem is its a year in and nobody really knows what they stand for and what their plan is.
People will take short term pain if you bring them on a journey with you and sell them a vision that things will get better.
It also doesnt inspire confidence when they announce stuff and then backtrack
Enjoy a Reform UK government.
Hopefully they’ll look after our disabled friends. I’m sure they will.
Are they doing a great job? No, not really.
Would I expect them to turn around 14 years of Tory fuck ups in 12 months? Absolutely not.
It’s comical that anyone thinks that the conservatives could poodle back in and save the UK by implementing policies that fucked it up over the past two decades…. Or that Nigel could ride in , galloping in on his purebred , clutching his contract (bullshit promises where terms and conditions will apply) waving it around like Excalibur. All paid for by foreign billionaires and governments and whilst smoking a fag and drinking a warm pintofpiss reform the UK into a 1950s Utopia where men are men and women are in the kitchen, where immigrants live abroad and smog cures cancer…where there are no waiting list to see an NHS doctor as there is no NHS….and all your rights belong to him.
The system wasn’t broken in a day and it won’t be fixed by chancers, charlatans, or even competent leaders in a day, week or year.
Labour didn’t sell off water, gas etc for a quick tax break. Labour didn’t underfund the NHS for years or just stop processing asylum claims for shits and giggles.
Labour didn’t goto the EU parliament for years to collect a pension and repeatedly undermine it to trigger Brexit, then run away for a decade to rebrand, leaving the country to try and steer it’s way through the resultant willofthepeople Shitshow…..
Starmer is a boring tit and some of his policies suck balls, but unlike Reform, cons, etc ,at least he isn’t bending me over, unbuttoning his trousers and telling me this is for the good of the country.
Since the 90s? So since their election in 1997 where they were taking over from a collapsing Tory party, were voted back in twice and oversaw a decade of continuous growth? That first-year poll drop in the 1990’s?
I understand that this iteration of Labour aren’t everyone’s cup of tea, but DO YOU NOT REMEMBER THE LAST 14 YEARS????
We have zero hope.
Turns out the public don’t want Tory-lite either.
If Labour actually pursued redistributing the wealth of the country and improved people’s lives they might do better. Unfortunately they don’t want to do that.
Jeez, it is almosr like throwing trans people, disabled folks and the working class under the bus is a bad idea
And people still wonder why the Greens and Libdems are growing
Man and I thought we were all told that actually shifting to the centre or right is what folk were gagging for.
Turns out people might actually prefer leaders who have opinions, charisma and policy that benefits their base and energizes non voters, over appealing to the oppositions base with as much charm as a moldy cheese string
Not even a labour voters but it’s insane how hard they have been targeted
Its like “why haven’t you fixed a decade and a halfs worth of tory fucks ups in a year” – “what can’t you fix all the problems while cutting tax to nothing”
The Media is so fucking toxic, calling out problem that have existed for years and years now that their tory buddies aren’t the ones who have the answer the hard questions. They don’t even hide but but people don’t want to see it.
Good, fuck your base over and be a spineless lackey for neoliberal policy that’s what you get, kier has been nothing but a disappointment and when reform gets in he’s the bastard who caused it
This country is doomed because of its culture of self hatred …the economy is actually growing amd yet all we hear is doom and gloom …just let starmer sort this situation out ..he’s a great statesman which is what this country needs..we dont need wishful thinking from reform like a brexot round 2 ..for God sake stop voting them in, there is even reports of reform mps not knowing what to do never mind how to run the country, hold fast we cant keep rocking the ship.
I see this as similar to 1974. Labour have won the election not through the strength of its platform or popularity of its leadership, but through disarray in their opponents. Then, much like that time, they have gone on to govern in a manner that is surprisingly similar to their predecessors.
On this occasion, I think Labour are doing more of a better job, but they’ll need to get a grip on their messaging, party and the economy soon if they don’t want to face a re-run of 1979.
When the country gets so fed up of one party’s policies that they vote you into power, its probably a good idea not to just throw your values out the window and continue that party’s policies anyway….and these’ll be the same fucking morons that’ll act shocked when Reform get in next time and blame the voters.
I see you’re using the American left strategy, “teaching Labour a lesson” by putting the Tories back in. demanding instant results after like twenty years of Tory rule.
I encourage you to do it. Teach your side a lesson by abandoning them after a year in powerafter, again, more than fifteen years of Conservstive rule.
They just opened the first concentration camp on American soil and they’re leveling Gaza block by block with our president’s blessing. Go ahead and “teach them a lesson.”
To be honest the news cycle nowadays is real time and a lot of people have lost their heads. These constant polls just fuel the constant bin fire. There were some deluded folks decrying Starmer as worst PM ever and calling for an election after the PIP debacle. It’s a shitshow but not a national crisis.
Labour leadership just need to grow some balls and have courage in their convictions. It doesn’t matter what you’re polling in years 1, 2, 3, 4 into a term of government. The only thing that matters is how people are feeling on election day.
Problem is honesty. They need to state what they stand for and bring back consistency. One of Starmers strengths was he was a boring technocrat. The recent U Turns are reminiscent of Tory chaos. They need to bring a fully costed economic plan and first settle this within their party. Credibility is what they are loosing right now .
I don’t believe any government would be popular a year in considering where we were 12 months ago.
The problems are incredibly difficult to solve, they need to increase spending, reduce wasteful spending, boost productivity and prevent a collapse in the gilt / bond markets.
Truss showed us what happens when you just plan to borrow while cutting taxes.
The conservatives opened the flood games on immigration because it kept the economy growing, the conservatives are now moaning at Labour because in 12 months they have not fixed the immigration problem they created to hide their terrible management of the economy.
A government can not be popular in the current climate, they need to do really unpopular things now to get finances and the country on a stable footing where we don’t been the import thousands of people each year to keep the country functional.
Still prefer labour than anything reform or tories are offering.
Give me a Labour/Lib-Dem coalition in 2029.
Doesn’t help right wing media has such a hold, just look at this sub. Constant telegraph, daily mail articles because they drive traffic to the sub, even more so if it rage bait inducing.
Labour see huge poll drop because:
– there’s no money
– they’re enacting policies within their manifesto
– people think you can fix a country in the same time it takes most to have a victory wank.
– tabloids/torygraph are targeting them
– the general public are idiots.
I’m not saying all of these are accurate, but you can pick n mix which ones you like most.
Is that not just because they had the largest majority ever? It was never going to go anywhere but down
People voted Labour because either they wanted better management of country than Tories or they wanted more left wing policies
Starmer keeps categorically rejecting any slightly left wing policy. And for all major right wing policies, he keeps making U-turns
Why would anyone be happy with govt right now?
The thing Labour seem to be struggling to grasp is their win was very much down to not wanting more Tories, and yet so many of their moves seem right out of the Tory playbook.
They seem fixated on appealing to right wing voters but the majority vote was for a left wing party. Anyone still voting right is just going to vote Tory, or somehow worse, Reform. Meanwhile they’re driving a divide through left wing voters who now need to pick between the tactical vote, or voting for a party that even slightly aligns with their views.
It feels like they’ve gone very Lib Dem in terms of being a centralist party that will lean a different way depending on who’s at the helm.
They had a terrible luck start.
Manchester airport and harehills, followed by Southport.
Their reactions were completely inadequate to understand the zeitgeist, and somehow didn’t appreciate just how impactful it was going to be.
They have an issue to save money, but they had the easiest win which was a national inquiry to nip any reform comments in the bud, I know they say they were waiting for the other report *now* but they were not playing that line until the report said it was bad.
I mean they are doing the exact opposite of what alot of people want and ruining pip making alot of people who need and should be on it ineligible
Like labour is somehow being worse then the torys when it comes to this stuff its insane but i just hope they reverse it as thw torys would most likely still be worse and well reform is just torys but more rasict
It’s because social media reach and therefore anti labour propaganda is stronger than ever.
Not saying labour haven’t done anything wrong but the weaponry against them is as strong as ever.
When you’ve got populist agitators such as Reform in the wings telling everyone what they want to hear, even though most of it is tosh, nobody else governing will ever be good enough. What’s the point in delaying the inevitable. Let Farage have it. Let him be accountable for HIS mess he’s created for a change.
Almost like trying to appeal to Tories and Reform supports wouldn’t do anything put push away Labour supporters or that kissing the asses of the rich at the cost of the majority isnt good when rich people still only count as 1 vote.
I wasnt expecting much from Starmer and he still managed to disappoint.
I’m shocked that pandering to reactionary far right voters who will never vote for Labour whatever they do, while alienating every single segment of your base, has not paid off somehow. It’s as if people didn’t understand that a vote for Starmer was a vote for toryism but just a bit more competent
My guess is that they will react with more of the same so expect more sanctions on the poor and immigrants. He might jail some trans people or deport punk singers if things get really bad.
Let’s not be under any delusion on how fucked this country is after 12 years of tories.
Labour have to cut something or else significantly increase taxes. It’s a lose lose situation for them. Where are they supposed to pull money out of? Reforms plans just mean more debt and shuffling to coffers to the wealthy (like what’s happening to the us). I cannot see any solution that won’t seem unpopular with someone.
>It is common for political parties to experience a slide in the polls after taking power – it has happened to every UK government bar one in the past 40 years…
Welp. There you go.
>…but a drop of this size is unusual.
Hmm, why could that be?
>The results mirror the findings of this week’s newly-released LBC poll, which found that Reform UK leader Nigel Farage was more trusted than the Chancellor where the UK economy is concerned.
Ah, there it is. More free press for Reform UK LTD INC PLC.
>The last time it was in double digits was 1992-93, when the Tory administration led by Mr Major saw its poll numbers fall 12 points, from an average of 43% in the weeks after the April 1992 election to 31% a year later.
So, the Tories suffered the same drop.
>Sir Keir’s current score of minus 54 is not quite the worst ever approval rating for a prime minister reported by Ipsos, however.
>Mrs Thatcher dropped as low as minus 56 in March 1990, while both Mr Major and Mr Sunak sank as far as minus 59, in August 1994 and April 2024 respectively.
So actually, the Tories have done worse.
I’m kind of not surprised?
Not only do almost all of the media seem desperate to make them fail in order to promote Reform, but as someone who has always voted labour in the past, I do not necessarily like this direction they have chosen.
In each previous vote in my life, I have voted labour as the least bad option, rather than because I actually want to see them in. However, now that they are taking steps to become even more of what I don’t like, I am questioning why should I even vote for them at all? My views are much more aligned with the Liberal Democrats, as they seem to be the only main party who want to change things that don’t work instead of pushing along with the status quo.
Since labour came in power, I have kept a note on my phone of lists of good things and bad things that they have done. The list of things that I disagree with, by number of bullet points, is literally three times that of the good list. And sometimes items on the good list have caveats in the bad list.
I am strongly, strongly opposed the authoritarianist leaning of labour.
That said, when it comes to election time, there is still a good chance I will vote labour simply to fight against reform winning. That doesn’t mean that I support what labour are doing, but I know that reform will be indescribably worse.
2/3s of people didn’t vote for them. They seem to keep forgetting that…
They have been pretty awful so far but they did rather paint themselves into a corner with the promise of no tax rises. You can’t have a nordic social model while paying American taxes…