Anyone can have an unknown condition that makes them react to anesthesia.
Azzadal on
The NHS has been playing fast and loose using underqualified staff to fill traditional roles for a while. Assistant practitioners, Nursing Associates and now Physician’s Associates.
It was an incredible mistake pulling funding from Nursing degrees and its an incredible mistake giving cram courses to people with unrelated degrees so they can be on the ground making medical decisions in three years.
I dont hold the NHS responsible for this, they’re just doing anything they can to operate under a lack of funding
Electronic_Cream_780 on
so it turns out you can’t turn someone with a sports science degree into a safe quasi doctor in a couple of years? Who’d have thought🤔
ufos1111 on
BAN these SCAM artists. They should NEVER have a job. Seriously, the tories have destroyed the NHS!
Electricbell20 on
>Mancunian Matters would like to clarify that in the FOI, Manchester University NHS Foundation Trust has interpreted the term ‘involved’ to mean where a PA or AA has been directly or indirectly mentioned with the incident, either as a witness or actively involved in care and treatment prior, during or after the event.
Pretty useless data then.
ID3293 on
It takes resident doctors 3-5 years post-graduation to earn more than PAs, a degree covering but a fraction of what a medical degree does, and is less than half the length.
Training-Play on
Nothing can be done really as the NHS is very well insulated from any external criticism.Â
Rough-Sprinkles2343 on
Yes this is not a surprise…. They’re vastly less qualified
No-Potential-7242 on
We need to spend money on training our own doctors like every other country does.
lordnacho666 on
This is terrible journalism.
Some number of negative events happened involving some group of providers.
How are we to know whether this group is more or less likely to cause these events that other providers?
TomVonServo on
PAs are a huge risk to patient safety and will continue to be. The fact that they argued to change the name to Physician Associate tells you the heart of the problem—the endless confidence creep of what they think they’re capable of doing.
shadowplaywaiting on
Honestly don’t trust these ‘professionals’ as far as I can throw them. Anything that the GP receptionist deems a minor condition and so allocates to a PA or nurse, could turn out to be something serious only a highly trained doctor would suspect.
I went into the GP with abdominal and side of chest pain, shortness of breath, doubled over and was in too much pain to even be examined properly, hadn’t been able to lie down (literally) for days and said as much. PA diagnosed me with having pulled a muscle. Later that day I deteriorated even further and was wheeled into AnE with a bilateral pulmonary embolism.
Another time, turned out to be less serious (but easily could have been), me and my brother both had chest infections which weren’t clearing. A nurse looked in my brother’s throat and said ‘it’s a bacterial infection, he needs antibiotics’, we thought ok. Then she looked down my throat and said, I kid you not ‘yours is a virus, not helped by antibiotics.’
Now we had both fell ill at the same time, our coughs and illness were the exact same. So naturally my mum said ‘are you sure?’. She looked again, then promptly went ‘oh yeahhh, it is bacterial infection, I’ll prescribe antibiotics.’ I couldn’t really believe what I was hearing. We both took antibiotics and got better but … it does worry me that woman was allowed to prescribe.
Back on the subject of the PE, when I tell you this PA was 100% confident with her pulled muscle diagnosis, based upon the fact she had ruled out appendicitis. This is what happens when you give people with only a rudimentary medical knowledge the job of a doctor. Now I’m so done with it, I refuse to see anyone but a GP when I request an appointment from the GP surgery.
UnchartedPro on
I’m a medical student but wanna say the following
1) PAs, ANPs etc do not have the same competency as a doctor who has done much more training. Not saying they aren’t valuable but this is a fact
2) where it really gets dangerous is when these healthcare practioners for some reason have more confidence than a doctor has. They seem to think they know it all and I’m sure most enjoy pretending they are doctors
3) do not let yourself be misled. If you ask for a GP and instead see a different professional under the guise of a ‘clinician’ etc, complain and see a doctor. I’ve personally had these experiences where they pretend to be a doctor. I encourage you to ask anyone who treats you their role if unsure
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Anaesthesia Associate – just no.
Anyone can have an unknown condition that makes them react to anesthesia.
The NHS has been playing fast and loose using underqualified staff to fill traditional roles for a while. Assistant practitioners, Nursing Associates and now Physician’s Associates.
It was an incredible mistake pulling funding from Nursing degrees and its an incredible mistake giving cram courses to people with unrelated degrees so they can be on the ground making medical decisions in three years.
I dont hold the NHS responsible for this, they’re just doing anything they can to operate under a lack of funding
so it turns out you can’t turn someone with a sports science degree into a safe quasi doctor in a couple of years? Who’d have thought🤔
BAN these SCAM artists. They should NEVER have a job. Seriously, the tories have destroyed the NHS!
>Mancunian Matters would like to clarify that in the FOI, Manchester University NHS Foundation Trust has interpreted the term ‘involved’ to mean where a PA or AA has been directly or indirectly mentioned with the incident, either as a witness or actively involved in care and treatment prior, during or after the event.
Pretty useless data then.
It takes resident doctors 3-5 years post-graduation to earn more than PAs, a degree covering but a fraction of what a medical degree does, and is less than half the length.
Nothing can be done really as the NHS is very well insulated from any external criticism.Â
Yes this is not a surprise…. They’re vastly less qualified
We need to spend money on training our own doctors like every other country does.
This is terrible journalism.
Some number of negative events happened involving some group of providers.
How are we to know whether this group is more or less likely to cause these events that other providers?
PAs are a huge risk to patient safety and will continue to be. The fact that they argued to change the name to Physician Associate tells you the heart of the problem—the endless confidence creep of what they think they’re capable of doing.
Honestly don’t trust these ‘professionals’ as far as I can throw them. Anything that the GP receptionist deems a minor condition and so allocates to a PA or nurse, could turn out to be something serious only a highly trained doctor would suspect.
I went into the GP with abdominal and side of chest pain, shortness of breath, doubled over and was in too much pain to even be examined properly, hadn’t been able to lie down (literally) for days and said as much. PA diagnosed me with having pulled a muscle. Later that day I deteriorated even further and was wheeled into AnE with a bilateral pulmonary embolism.
Another time, turned out to be less serious (but easily could have been), me and my brother both had chest infections which weren’t clearing. A nurse looked in my brother’s throat and said ‘it’s a bacterial infection, he needs antibiotics’, we thought ok. Then she looked down my throat and said, I kid you not ‘yours is a virus, not helped by antibiotics.’
Now we had both fell ill at the same time, our coughs and illness were the exact same. So naturally my mum said ‘are you sure?’. She looked again, then promptly went ‘oh yeahhh, it is bacterial infection, I’ll prescribe antibiotics.’ I couldn’t really believe what I was hearing. We both took antibiotics and got better but … it does worry me that woman was allowed to prescribe.
Back on the subject of the PE, when I tell you this PA was 100% confident with her pulled muscle diagnosis, based upon the fact she had ruled out appendicitis. This is what happens when you give people with only a rudimentary medical knowledge the job of a doctor. Now I’m so done with it, I refuse to see anyone but a GP when I request an appointment from the GP surgery.
I’m a medical student but wanna say the following
1) PAs, ANPs etc do not have the same competency as a doctor who has done much more training. Not saying they aren’t valuable but this is a fact
2) where it really gets dangerous is when these healthcare practioners for some reason have more confidence than a doctor has. They seem to think they know it all and I’m sure most enjoy pretending they are doctors
3) do not let yourself be misled. If you ask for a GP and instead see a different professional under the guise of a ‘clinician’ etc, complain and see a doctor. I’ve personally had these experiences where they pretend to be a doctor. I encourage you to ask anyone who treats you their role if unsure