People need to understand the long-term implications of what this type of immigration will do to the country.
StresWeeting on
It was a joke that Grant Schapps was knighted in the first place but it needs stripping at this point
StresWeeting on
> Court documents previously kept secret by the super-injunction – which was finally lifted earlier this week – show that only 10 per cent of the extended family members that applicants wanted to bring to the UK had been deemed eligible under previously existing routes.
For fucks sake, why dont we bring their mates too? Fuck it, anyone who gave them a passing greeting in the past 5 years. Wouldnt want to be seen to discriminate
AlwaysCreamCrackered on
Does anyone know how much it is to go live on the moon?
I have 24 months interest free on my credit card available.
BubblinTodd on
Her ruling stated: “The term ‘family member’ does not have any fixed meaning in law or in common usage. Indeed, the word ‘family’ may mean different things to different people and in different contexts. There may be cultural considerations … there is no requirement for a blood or legal connection.”
I don’t even know what to say.
MattMBerkshire on
The left will welcome this… It brings such diversity to Britain which is what it is built upon..
Nope.. Imperialism,. slavery and war, was what built this country.
Not being nice to other war mongering nations,, said nation that values all the LGBT shit the left worship these days, but the left will defend with their.. lives.. of course they won’t defend with their lives but they’ll protest and cry about it.
More Islam for all. What could go wrong.
Quite a lot actually.. but you’ll get called a right wing Nazi for saying such things.
Bluemechanic on
This is how chain migration has always worked. One person moves to another country, starts working and earns enough money for the rest of their family to gradually move over to be with them.
Ok_Crab1603 on
I served in Afghan and you have no idea what these people are like
Wait until the fighting season kicks in for them
Particular_Pickle465 on
I don’t think I even have 22 relatives. His family must be massive
Internal_Bed766 on
22 relatives? That’s a lot and how are they vetted as to not being a security risk?
Mammoth_Branch4420 on
“Defence ministers had wanted to restrict arrivals to married couples and their children, but UK courts repeatedly expanded the eligibility criteria, citing the European Convention on Human Rights.”
Something seems to be wrong here, surely there should be some kind of cap on this?
Mr_Zeldion on
My father has 3 visits a day by carers after a stroke left him bed bound. In 6 months we’ve only ever had two white carers visit the rest have been of African ethnicity.
They tell us that they feel it’s unfair because they get contracted hours to work in the care sector yet the two white girls who are local to the area are on 0 hour contracts.
The African carers feel there’s resentment towards them for it and I don’t blame them because our system currently is completely radicalising people against minority groups by completely ignoring growing concerns and brushing cultural conflicts under the carpet.
What frustrates me though, is these African workers want to bring their families here. I can’t blame them. But seriously? Does having one worker mean that we need to house their family too?
Pre COVID I had a Japanese friend fly over from Tokyo to spend 10 days with me here in Wales. I meet her in Newport South Wales.. when asked about how she thinks of the UK so far her words were “I can’t believe how many black people there are here” hahaha
JayR_97 on
Shit like this is why Reform is gonna win the next election
OnePragmatic on
Moving to a Western country is a major cultural shock. And I mean not only by the lifestyle but especially by our morals. Some public behaviour between genders is often an anathema for cultures where men and women live separately. Older generations will never be comfortable.
GreatBritishHedgehog on
The whole world is laughing at us
British taxpayers are being taken for an absolute ride of a lifetime
H1ghlyVolatile on
I can’t even read this stuff anymore. I am genuinely worried about what this country will look like in the next 10 years.
Locellus on
This comment section is a who’s who of talking points that led to Trump. Are we to be subject to this Project 2025 madness too?
Obviously immigration policy cannot be completely permissive, but the core issue is the idea there can be two legal frameworks.
I don’t care what your religion is, but there is one law of the land – as long as we all insist on that, this shit doesn’t matter. If, however, we allow the rich to play by their own rules, or the religious to self govern : we are fucked.
If you don’t like this, write to your MP, get the law changed… that’s how this is supposed to work.
ZX52 on
>Afghan migrants have brought as many as 22 family members to the UK after relatives previously rejected for asylum were allowed in following a military data breach.
1. Why the sudden switch to plural (migrant*s*)?
2. “Following” rather than “because” means that there’s not necessarily a causative link here, but if there, this was *our* fuck up. We leaked their names, we now have to protect them.
>However, a senior Taliban official told The Telegraph on Tuesday night that they had obtained the “kill list” shortly after the original leak, and had since been hunting down those named
Are we seriously arguing that we shouldn’t be evacuating people being actively hunted by the Taliban because we gave them a fucking kill list?
Inverted_Goalkeeper on
Farage genuinely isn’t anywhere near radical enough for what this country needs
Underscore_Blues on
That is fucking insane. Any rational person can see that isn’t right.
Well ffs, guess we’ve got PM Nigel Farage in the future.
erbr on
As a non-British person, this is mind-blowing and does not scale unless you tell me that the 22 relatives will contribute to the UK economy, share British values, participate in the society they are integrating into, and respect their host. Being Afghan should not be part of the equation, but other things should be, things that have nothing to do with what you are, but rather who you are. Unfortunately, many policies are created haphazardly, trying to treat everyone the same in a manner that’s perceived as inclusive and kind, when in fact it’s just running with scissors.
I believe immigration to the UK can be a fair and straightforward process, primarily through established pathways like the skilled worker visa, which welcomes those who bring value and contribute positively to society. This isn’t unique to the UK, many European countries face similar challenges regarding immigration.
However, we must be honest: uncontrolled or poorly managed immigration can create genuine tensions, strain public services, and risk undermining the shared values that unite us. If we let fear of being called names – like “fascist” or “intolerant” — stop us from having open, reasonable discussions, we’re doing a disservice to democracy and to each other.
That doesn’t mean giving in to extremists on either side. We must reject hatred and bigotry wherever they appear, but also be brave enough to have tough conversations based on facts, not fear. Upholding humane, fair, and sustainable immigration policies is not only reasonable-it’s essential if we want to preserve the kind of society we all believe in.
Hope for the best!
uhhseriously on
This is fascinating to me. As an immigrant to the UK myself (work visa leading to permanent settlement from USA), I was not able to bring any family with me beyond spouse/children. I’d love to bring my parents, etc but it was not permitted. I am legitimately curious as to why this is allowed for some types of immigration.
Party_Government8579 on
New Zealander here. Its pretty hard to get into our country. We do let some refugees in, but its a small amount and manageable.
Can someone explain to me the realpolitic reason why all political parties left and right in the UK seem to support mass immigration from people with low skill / education backgrounds? Is it genuinely good for the economy? Or maybe good for rich people – there must be economic theory
Rikkona on
This is crrrrrazy…. I bet it’s got to do with that afghan data breach stuff that was aired recently…. Wow just wow…
devilman123 on
If things continue like this for the next 4 years, I think more and more people will be drawn to Reform. All these incidents are gasoline for them
RemarkableDistrict88 on
It not “will do” its already has done to this country
Temujin-of-Eaccistan on
No reason why these mercenaries should be able to come here. Even less justification for them to be able to bring family
[deleted] on
This is 1984 level dystopia , where we can’t even define or agree on simple things anymore. Like what a woman is, or what family means.
lookitsthesun on
So the average is eight. Are we genuinely looking at 200k of these people brought in secretly and withheld from all ONS figures???
IainMCool on
I couldn’t give any less of a shit. Hopefully they are mostly women who can escape the Taliban. The UK needs to do more.
Yes, I know that some aggressively gullible racists are going to downvote this.
wretchedheadplate on
Yes you are all right, helping those which collaborated with our armed forces during a war we pushed down their throat to defeat our enemies is totally wrong and uncalled for /s
iron81 on
Of course they did, and I suppose every single one of those is going to need support from the state, plus housing and lots of bits. At this point it’s just a free for all, and we are going to see a reform government come to power.
The government needs to tackle this now, take decisive action, action that benefits the whole and not the single
Bitter_Day16 on
Literally 4 years ago the Telegraph was arguing that we should be doing exactly what they’re doing now.
ManyNates on
Meanwhile a Brit has to jump through insane hoops to live with their spouse
priestsboytoy on
I think it needs to be said whether he did it legally or illegally
0235 on
Wow, good job absolutely no-one warned us this would happen if we engaged in Americas conflict in Afghanistan. We reap what we sow.
grandmasterking on
“Why is the far-right gaining popularity?”
“Why so much anti-migrant rhetoric?”
“Why does everyone want immigration to stop and deportations?”
They say whilst ignoring the issues in this article…
DWRedd on
I’m Spanish. I’ve been in the UK for more than 10 years. Married to an English woman, bought a house, never been on benefits, came here with a job and I’ve been paying taxes from the very first day.
I cannot bring my mum to the country because she’s not dependent on me, and I cannot bring my sister, who has a degree and even was offered a job as a skilled worker because the company couldn’t sponsor her visa.
Somehow someone can come and bring 22 people with them. Ok.
I’m very much pro left wing, and I don’t think Reform is the solution because they will do like Trump and fuck us over so they can get richer while we get poorer, but we need a solution.
Important_Ruin on
Oh look. Another Tory mess being made out in headline like it’s a Labour one by the Telegraph.
Wonder how many actually read the article.
Happened in 2023.
YaqtanBadakshani on
We invade a country, conscript locals to help us in the process, putting them and their families in danger, and then leave them to the wolves when we decide we’re done playing in Afghanistan. We don’t get to complain when a lot of people’s lives are in danger.
Important_Ruin on
R/Unitedkingdom checklist
Rage baiting headline: Check
Topic of immigration/migrants/asylum: Check
From Telegraph: Check
Headline making it look like it happened today: Check
People not reading the article: Check
This sub is seriously pushing a right wing agenda, constant barage of right wing, rage baiting headlines about certain topic where people/bots do not read the article.
This happened in 2023, under the Tories, yet the headline is making it look like it happened under Labour.
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People need to understand the long-term implications of what this type of immigration will do to the country.
It was a joke that Grant Schapps was knighted in the first place but it needs stripping at this point
> Court documents previously kept secret by the super-injunction – which was finally lifted earlier this week – show that only 10 per cent of the extended family members that applicants wanted to bring to the UK had been deemed eligible under previously existing routes.
For fucks sake, why dont we bring their mates too? Fuck it, anyone who gave them a passing greeting in the past 5 years. Wouldnt want to be seen to discriminate
Does anyone know how much it is to go live on the moon?
I have 24 months interest free on my credit card available.
Her ruling stated: “The term ‘family member’ does not have any fixed meaning in law or in common usage. Indeed, the word ‘family’ may mean different things to different people and in different contexts. There may be cultural considerations … there is no requirement for a blood or legal connection.”
I don’t even know what to say.
The left will welcome this… It brings such diversity to Britain which is what it is built upon..
Nope.. Imperialism,. slavery and war, was what built this country.
Not being nice to other war mongering nations,, said nation that values all the LGBT shit the left worship these days, but the left will defend with their.. lives.. of course they won’t defend with their lives but they’ll protest and cry about it.
More Islam for all. What could go wrong.
Quite a lot actually.. but you’ll get called a right wing Nazi for saying such things.
This is how chain migration has always worked. One person moves to another country, starts working and earns enough money for the rest of their family to gradually move over to be with them.
I served in Afghan and you have no idea what these people are like
Wait until the fighting season kicks in for them
I don’t think I even have 22 relatives. His family must be massive
22 relatives? That’s a lot and how are they vetted as to not being a security risk?
“Defence ministers had wanted to restrict arrivals to married couples and their children, but UK courts repeatedly expanded the eligibility criteria, citing the European Convention on Human Rights.”
Something seems to be wrong here, surely there should be some kind of cap on this?
My father has 3 visits a day by carers after a stroke left him bed bound. In 6 months we’ve only ever had two white carers visit the rest have been of African ethnicity.
They tell us that they feel it’s unfair because they get contracted hours to work in the care sector yet the two white girls who are local to the area are on 0 hour contracts.
The African carers feel there’s resentment towards them for it and I don’t blame them because our system currently is completely radicalising people against minority groups by completely ignoring growing concerns and brushing cultural conflicts under the carpet.
What frustrates me though, is these African workers want to bring their families here. I can’t blame them. But seriously? Does having one worker mean that we need to house their family too?
Pre COVID I had a Japanese friend fly over from Tokyo to spend 10 days with me here in Wales. I meet her in Newport South Wales.. when asked about how she thinks of the UK so far her words were “I can’t believe how many black people there are here” hahaha
Shit like this is why Reform is gonna win the next election
Moving to a Western country is a major cultural shock. And I mean not only by the lifestyle but especially by our morals. Some public behaviour between genders is often an anathema for cultures where men and women live separately. Older generations will never be comfortable.
The whole world is laughing at us
British taxpayers are being taken for an absolute ride of a lifetime
I can’t even read this stuff anymore. I am genuinely worried about what this country will look like in the next 10 years.
This comment section is a who’s who of talking points that led to Trump. Are we to be subject to this Project 2025 madness too?
Obviously immigration policy cannot be completely permissive, but the core issue is the idea there can be two legal frameworks.
I don’t care what your religion is, but there is one law of the land – as long as we all insist on that, this shit doesn’t matter. If, however, we allow the rich to play by their own rules, or the religious to self govern : we are fucked.
If you don’t like this, write to your MP, get the law changed… that’s how this is supposed to work.
>Afghan migrants have brought as many as 22 family members to the UK after relatives previously rejected for asylum were allowed in following a military data breach.
1. Why the sudden switch to plural (migrant*s*)?
2. “Following” rather than “because” means that there’s not necessarily a causative link here, but if there, this was *our* fuck up. We leaked their names, we now have to protect them.
>However, a senior Taliban official told The Telegraph on Tuesday night that they had obtained the “kill list” shortly after the original leak, and had since been hunting down those named
Are we seriously arguing that we shouldn’t be evacuating people being actively hunted by the Taliban because we gave them a fucking kill list?
Farage genuinely isn’t anywhere near radical enough for what this country needs
That is fucking insane. Any rational person can see that isn’t right.
Well ffs, guess we’ve got PM Nigel Farage in the future.
As a non-British person, this is mind-blowing and does not scale unless you tell me that the 22 relatives will contribute to the UK economy, share British values, participate in the society they are integrating into, and respect their host. Being Afghan should not be part of the equation, but other things should be, things that have nothing to do with what you are, but rather who you are. Unfortunately, many policies are created haphazardly, trying to treat everyone the same in a manner that’s perceived as inclusive and kind, when in fact it’s just running with scissors.
I believe immigration to the UK can be a fair and straightforward process, primarily through established pathways like the skilled worker visa, which welcomes those who bring value and contribute positively to society. This isn’t unique to the UK, many European countries face similar challenges regarding immigration.
However, we must be honest: uncontrolled or poorly managed immigration can create genuine tensions, strain public services, and risk undermining the shared values that unite us. If we let fear of being called names – like “fascist” or “intolerant” — stop us from having open, reasonable discussions, we’re doing a disservice to democracy and to each other.
That doesn’t mean giving in to extremists on either side. We must reject hatred and bigotry wherever they appear, but also be brave enough to have tough conversations based on facts, not fear. Upholding humane, fair, and sustainable immigration policies is not only reasonable-it’s essential if we want to preserve the kind of society we all believe in.
Hope for the best!
This is fascinating to me. As an immigrant to the UK myself (work visa leading to permanent settlement from USA), I was not able to bring any family with me beyond spouse/children. I’d love to bring my parents, etc but it was not permitted. I am legitimately curious as to why this is allowed for some types of immigration.
New Zealander here. Its pretty hard to get into our country. We do let some refugees in, but its a small amount and manageable.
Can someone explain to me the realpolitic reason why all political parties left and right in the UK seem to support mass immigration from people with low skill / education backgrounds? Is it genuinely good for the economy? Or maybe good for rich people – there must be economic theory
This is crrrrrazy…. I bet it’s got to do with that afghan data breach stuff that was aired recently…. Wow just wow…
If things continue like this for the next 4 years, I think more and more people will be drawn to Reform. All these incidents are gasoline for them
It not “will do” its already has done to this country
No reason why these mercenaries should be able to come here. Even less justification for them to be able to bring family
This is 1984 level dystopia , where we can’t even define or agree on simple things anymore. Like what a woman is, or what family means.
So the average is eight. Are we genuinely looking at 200k of these people brought in secretly and withheld from all ONS figures???
I couldn’t give any less of a shit. Hopefully they are mostly women who can escape the Taliban. The UK needs to do more.
Yes, I know that some aggressively gullible racists are going to downvote this.
Yes you are all right, helping those which collaborated with our armed forces during a war we pushed down their throat to defeat our enemies is totally wrong and uncalled for /s
Of course they did, and I suppose every single one of those is going to need support from the state, plus housing and lots of bits. At this point it’s just a free for all, and we are going to see a reform government come to power.
The government needs to tackle this now, take decisive action, action that benefits the whole and not the single
Literally 4 years ago the Telegraph was arguing that we should be doing exactly what they’re doing now.
Meanwhile a Brit has to jump through insane hoops to live with their spouse
I think it needs to be said whether he did it legally or illegally
Wow, good job absolutely no-one warned us this would happen if we engaged in Americas conflict in Afghanistan. We reap what we sow.
“Why is the far-right gaining popularity?”
“Why so much anti-migrant rhetoric?”
“Why does everyone want immigration to stop and deportations?”
They say whilst ignoring the issues in this article…
I’m Spanish. I’ve been in the UK for more than 10 years. Married to an English woman, bought a house, never been on benefits, came here with a job and I’ve been paying taxes from the very first day.
I cannot bring my mum to the country because she’s not dependent on me, and I cannot bring my sister, who has a degree and even was offered a job as a skilled worker because the company couldn’t sponsor her visa.
Somehow someone can come and bring 22 people with them. Ok.
I’m very much pro left wing, and I don’t think Reform is the solution because they will do like Trump and fuck us over so they can get richer while we get poorer, but we need a solution.
Oh look. Another Tory mess being made out in headline like it’s a Labour one by the Telegraph.
Wonder how many actually read the article.
Happened in 2023.
We invade a country, conscript locals to help us in the process, putting them and their families in danger, and then leave them to the wolves when we decide we’re done playing in Afghanistan. We don’t get to complain when a lot of people’s lives are in danger.
R/Unitedkingdom checklist
Rage baiting headline: Check
Topic of immigration/migrants/asylum: Check
From Telegraph: Check
Headline making it look like it happened today: Check
People not reading the article: Check
This sub is seriously pushing a right wing agenda, constant barage of right wing, rage baiting headlines about certain topic where people/bots do not read the article.
This happened in 2023, under the Tories, yet the headline is making it look like it happened under Labour.