Apologising for all the errors they’ve made is such an insufficient response to the loss of two lives.
She called for help. I can’t imagine the fear and suffering she felt waiting for the help that never came. I can’t imagine what her poor daughter went through once her mother had passed. I don’t even want to consider how long she might have lived with her own deceased mother before her own passing.
There should never be an excuse for something like this to happen. There are no apologies that will ever fix this.
XXRelentless999 on
Unbelievably horrific. Should not be possible in this country.
Derries_bluestack on
Wow! The call handler and the supervisor really messed up here. I struggle to believe it’s an isolated error. If the situation hadn’t resulted in two deaths, it wouldn’t have come to light.
I’ve said it before on Reddit. People need to integrate in their community. Offer to help others, hang out, volunteer. It takes a village to raise a child. That nobody noticed these two women missing for months suggests they had isolated themselves.
DebraUknew on
Just awful and so so sad no doubt “ lessons will be learned”
Historical_Hope2031 on
“Would you send an ambulance? Please come, please,” were the last words she said on the phone before the call ended.
Giving evidence, Susan Jevons, a paramedic and head of the coroners service at East Midlands Ambulance Service (EMAS), said an attempt was made to call Alphonsine back with no answer.
“The ambulance didn’t go to the address because the emergency medical advisor, thinking it was an abandoned call, closed the call down,” Mrs Jevons said.”
What on earth was this person thinking? How could you possibly think it was an abandoned call. I hope this person is no longer working in this role and mandatory training and SOP is revised. This is so negligent.
Rest in Peace.
Stormgeddon on
>In a transcript read out at the inquest, the call handler asked several times what language Alphonsine spoke and whether she needed an interpreter.
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>Despite not responding to those questions, she gave her address and asked again for an ambulance. “Would you send an ambulance? Please come, please,” were the last words she said on the phone before the call ended.
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>Giving evidence, Susan Jevons, a paramedic and head of the coroners service at East Midlands Ambulance Service (EMAS), said an attempt was made to call Alphonsine back with no answer.
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>”The ambulance didn’t go to the address because the emergency medical advisor, thinking it was an abandoned call, closed the call down,” Mrs Jevons said.
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>She added that should “never had happened” as they had her address, telephone number, and details of her symptoms.
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>An internal investigation found there was a “missed opportunity” for an ambulance to attend the day Alphonsine called.
I’m not normally one to join up with the “SACK THEM!!! 😤” brigade but, yeah…
It would seem that the call handler was having difficulties understanding her, but seemingly not too much given they also were able to take her details and symptoms. Gross dereliction of duty that likely directly led to this poor woman’s death. This person has no business being in a position where other people’s lives are in their hands. Not even sure they should be trusted to man the phone at the local takeaway, to be honest.
pumpkinpro on
Can’t help but wonder if race played a part here. Would they have classed it as “an abandoned call” if the accent had been obviously white British?
Mistborn54321 on
A woman called 911 pleading for help, they had her address. They let her die and daughter starved to death slowly because no one bothered to go.
merryman1 on
Is it just me or does it seem like there’s a lot of these stories coming out of Nottingham recently? What’s going on with the NHS there?
bakewelltart20 on
Absolutely horrifying.
It appears that poor Loraine slowly starved to death after her mother died.
It sounds like she lacked the capacity to leave the house alone to ask for help.
Why on earth did they not send an ambulance when they had all the necessary details!?
Jat616 on
> Alphonsine’s medical cause of death was proposed as pneumonia while her daughter’s was “unascertained”, pathologist Dr Stuart Hamilton said in evidence.
Sounds like the daughter died because noone was sent out to help either of them when the mother called pleading for help. Absolutely appalling.
Astropoppet on
“missed opportunities” sounds so trivial, not that 2 people died after one of them specifically asking for an ambulance, FFS
loveaduckanytime on
Well at least Mrs fucking Jeavons “apologised”.
It’s about time we started to hold these people to proper account and prosecute them for manslaughter.
Douglesfield_ on
>Giving evidence, Susan Jevons, a paramedic and head of the coroners service at East Midlands Ambulance Service (EMAS), said an attempt was made to call Alphonsine back with no answer.
“The ambulance didn’t go to the address because the emergency medical advisor, thinking it was an abandoned call, closed the call down,” Mrs Jevons said.
Sounds like a catastrophic breakdown in communication there.
Speculation on my part but I’m thinking the call taker escalated after the call dropped but didn’t pass on the content of the call.
WynterRayne on
Literally the two pieces of information needed were given.
‘Ambulance’ and address.
I’m no genius or anything, but I think with those two data points, you should be able to figure out what to do next. Send an ambulance to the given address. Idk, maybe it’s just because I’m autistic and think in different ways from most people, but that’s the only approach that makes any sense to me.
Birdie_92 on
I think this is the most heartbreaking news story I have ever read.
SpecialistLaw6783 on
As a single mother to a disabled child, is there anything I could put in place to to try to prevent this scenario from occurring?
felineprincess93 on
I hope they rest easy, despite the fact that society literally failed them in the most basic way.
failmop on
sounds about right for emergency services in this country. i could be bleeding out right now, and they would take 2 hours to get to my house
SyntheticMind88 on
This is so upsetting, imagining that poor woman and the likely utterly horrific suffering of her daughter before she died. So cruel and totally unavoidable.
venture-already on
In Tunbridge Wells a suicidal young man called 999, and in his distress couldn’t tell them where he was. No location was traced on his phone, so he hung himself in a local park. He was found the next morning. They should have sent someone to the location of his phone. Such a sad realization that he called for help and didn’t receive it.
Aggressive_Bet4997 on
I’m sure they are at this very moment changing their procedure, and this will never ever happen again, fingers crossed pinky promise, and oh yeah, we are very sorry
Bloody-smashing on
This was heartbreaking to read.
First of all that poor woman, ignored at her biggest time of need. Then her poor daughter who probably starved to death. What an awful way to die.
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That poor lady, and her poor daughter.
Apologising for all the errors they’ve made is such an insufficient response to the loss of two lives.
She called for help. I can’t imagine the fear and suffering she felt waiting for the help that never came. I can’t imagine what her poor daughter went through once her mother had passed. I don’t even want to consider how long she might have lived with her own deceased mother before her own passing.
There should never be an excuse for something like this to happen. There are no apologies that will ever fix this.
Unbelievably horrific. Should not be possible in this country.
Wow! The call handler and the supervisor really messed up here. I struggle to believe it’s an isolated error. If the situation hadn’t resulted in two deaths, it wouldn’t have come to light.
I’ve said it before on Reddit. People need to integrate in their community. Offer to help others, hang out, volunteer. It takes a village to raise a child. That nobody noticed these two women missing for months suggests they had isolated themselves.
Just awful and so so sad no doubt “ lessons will be learned”
“Would you send an ambulance? Please come, please,” were the last words she said on the phone before the call ended.
Giving evidence, Susan Jevons, a paramedic and head of the coroners service at East Midlands Ambulance Service (EMAS), said an attempt was made to call Alphonsine back with no answer.
“The ambulance didn’t go to the address because the emergency medical advisor, thinking it was an abandoned call, closed the call down,” Mrs Jevons said.”
What on earth was this person thinking? How could you possibly think it was an abandoned call. I hope this person is no longer working in this role and mandatory training and SOP is revised. This is so negligent.
Rest in Peace.
>In a transcript read out at the inquest, the call handler asked several times what language Alphonsine spoke and whether she needed an interpreter.
>
>Despite not responding to those questions, she gave her address and asked again for an ambulance. “Would you send an ambulance? Please come, please,” were the last words she said on the phone before the call ended.
>
>Giving evidence, Susan Jevons, a paramedic and head of the coroners service at East Midlands Ambulance Service (EMAS), said an attempt was made to call Alphonsine back with no answer.
>
>”The ambulance didn’t go to the address because the emergency medical advisor, thinking it was an abandoned call, closed the call down,” Mrs Jevons said.
>
>She added that should “never had happened” as they had her address, telephone number, and details of her symptoms.
>
>An internal investigation found there was a “missed opportunity” for an ambulance to attend the day Alphonsine called.
I’m not normally one to join up with the “SACK THEM!!! 😤” brigade but, yeah…
It would seem that the call handler was having difficulties understanding her, but seemingly not too much given they also were able to take her details and symptoms. Gross dereliction of duty that likely directly led to this poor woman’s death. This person has no business being in a position where other people’s lives are in their hands. Not even sure they should be trusted to man the phone at the local takeaway, to be honest.
Can’t help but wonder if race played a part here. Would they have classed it as “an abandoned call” if the accent had been obviously white British?
A woman called 911 pleading for help, they had her address. They let her die and daughter starved to death slowly because no one bothered to go.
Is it just me or does it seem like there’s a lot of these stories coming out of Nottingham recently? What’s going on with the NHS there?
Absolutely horrifying.
It appears that poor Loraine slowly starved to death after her mother died.
It sounds like she lacked the capacity to leave the house alone to ask for help.
Why on earth did they not send an ambulance when they had all the necessary details!?
> Alphonsine’s medical cause of death was proposed as pneumonia while her daughter’s was “unascertained”, pathologist Dr Stuart Hamilton said in evidence.
Sounds like the daughter died because noone was sent out to help either of them when the mother called pleading for help. Absolutely appalling.
“missed opportunities” sounds so trivial, not that 2 people died after one of them specifically asking for an ambulance, FFS
Well at least Mrs fucking Jeavons “apologised”.
It’s about time we started to hold these people to proper account and prosecute them for manslaughter.
>Giving evidence, Susan Jevons, a paramedic and head of the coroners service at East Midlands Ambulance Service (EMAS), said an attempt was made to call Alphonsine back with no answer.
“The ambulance didn’t go to the address because the emergency medical advisor, thinking it was an abandoned call, closed the call down,” Mrs Jevons said.
Sounds like a catastrophic breakdown in communication there.
Speculation on my part but I’m thinking the call taker escalated after the call dropped but didn’t pass on the content of the call.
Literally the two pieces of information needed were given.
‘Ambulance’ and address.
I’m no genius or anything, but I think with those two data points, you should be able to figure out what to do next. Send an ambulance to the given address. Idk, maybe it’s just because I’m autistic and think in different ways from most people, but that’s the only approach that makes any sense to me.
I think this is the most heartbreaking news story I have ever read.
As a single mother to a disabled child, is there anything I could put in place to to try to prevent this scenario from occurring?
I hope they rest easy, despite the fact that society literally failed them in the most basic way.
sounds about right for emergency services in this country. i could be bleeding out right now, and they would take 2 hours to get to my house
This is so upsetting, imagining that poor woman and the likely utterly horrific suffering of her daughter before she died. So cruel and totally unavoidable.
In Tunbridge Wells a suicidal young man called 999, and in his distress couldn’t tell them where he was. No location was traced on his phone, so he hung himself in a local park. He was found the next morning. They should have sent someone to the location of his phone. Such a sad realization that he called for help and didn’t receive it.
I’m sure they are at this very moment changing their procedure, and this will never ever happen again, fingers crossed pinky promise, and oh yeah, we are very sorry
This was heartbreaking to read.
First of all that poor woman, ignored at her biggest time of need. Then her poor daughter who probably starved to death. What an awful way to die.