That Mr Simon Field is a charmer. I’m reading his sub stack to see if he crosses the legal line re hate speech.
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I’m not sure “Migration Central” is a trustworthy source. But sure, I’ll bite. This is the FOI request they made to obtain this information:
> “I wish to make a freedom of information request and would be grateful if you could supply the following information, broken down by nationality (note – in any instance where an certain nationality has fewer than 5 results, please use FOI best practice and simply provide the appropriate response of “<5”) for the years 2018 – 2024
> – the total number of arrests by your force (and broken down by nationality) that led to an individual being proceeded against for each detailed offence within the following offence groups: “violence against the person” and “sexual offences”.”
A few things here: One, there is an important difference between being arrested and then being proceeded against, and being charged as the headline would suggest.
Two, the ‘<5’ descriptor for certain nationalities may seem harmless, but later on in the article they seemingly use the numbers obtained from the FOI to calculate the offending rate for each nationality, and it isn’t stated how they use this number. Given the source, it’s probably safe to say they use the upper limit, which could very much fudge the numbers.
Is London not over 50% foreign-born? Would that not suggest that level of offence per capita the same for the British-born and the foreign-born persons?
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At time of writing, this post is the 3rd most recent made to /r/unitedkingdom and only 2 hours old. Many posts at that age have less than 20 upvotes unless it’s major breaking news. This has 150 upvotes and 140 comments.
Isn’t that **really** weird? It kinda feels like there’s a massive number of bots/racist psychos or paid troll farms, who are poised to up-vote and mass-comment any post submitted that’s about evil immigrants…
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There’s something really interesting about how you take a random hard-to-far-right blogger, give them a shiny website, an Ltd, and an official-sounding name, and network then with a bunch of other people in that part of the world, and suddenly they become a reputable research group.
This guy has been spamming these high-effort, low-analysis back-of-the-envelope pieces for months now – they’re all the same thing. Taking some FOI’d or other publicly-available data, doing some basic spreadsheet calculations with no attempt to correct or control for anything, no analysis, no actual critical thinking, and then turning it into a nice rage-bait article that the press will gobble up.
I particularly like how he took two screenshots of his spreadsheet rather than try to find a way to have an embedded table in his own blog…
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The state of this blog post…
You’d think that someone trying this hard to push a narrative about how dangerous and scary foreign-born residents are would get the basic facts of their prevalence correct. They cite:
The rest of the blog’s calculations are equally spurious and entirely unhelpful to anyone except people who want to be convinced of something they already believe.
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That Mr Simon Field is a charmer. I’m reading his sub stack to see if he crosses the legal line re hate speech.
I’m not sure “Migration Central” is a trustworthy source. But sure, I’ll bite. This is the FOI request they made to obtain this information:
> “I wish to make a freedom of information request and would be grateful if you could supply the following information, broken down by nationality (note – in any instance where an certain nationality has fewer than 5 results, please use FOI best practice and simply provide the appropriate response of “<5”) for the years 2018 – 2024
> – the total number of arrests by your force (and broken down by nationality) that led to an individual being proceeded against for each detailed offence within the following offence groups: “violence against the person” and “sexual offences”.”
A few things here: One, there is an important difference between being arrested and then being proceeded against, and being charged as the headline would suggest.
Two, the ‘<5’ descriptor for certain nationalities may seem harmless, but later on in the article they seemingly use the numbers obtained from the FOI to calculate the offending rate for each nationality, and it isn’t stated how they use this number. Given the source, it’s probably safe to say they use the upper limit, which could very much fudge the numbers.
Also, [over 40% of London’s residents were born abroad.](https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/) But don’t let that get in the way of a shocking headline.
Is London not over 50% foreign-born? Would that not suggest that level of offence per capita the same for the British-born and the foreign-born persons?
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At time of writing, this post is the 3rd most recent made to /r/unitedkingdom and only 2 hours old. Many posts at that age have less than 20 upvotes unless it’s major breaking news. This has 150 upvotes and 140 comments.
Isn’t that **really** weird? It kinda feels like there’s a massive number of bots/racist psychos or paid troll farms, who are poised to up-vote and mass-comment any post submitted that’s about evil immigrants…
There’s something really interesting about how you take a random hard-to-far-right blogger, give them a shiny website, an Ltd, and an official-sounding name, and network then with a bunch of other people in that part of the world, and suddenly they become a reputable research group.
This guy has been spamming these high-effort, low-analysis back-of-the-envelope pieces for months now – they’re all the same thing. Taking some FOI’d or other publicly-available data, doing some basic spreadsheet calculations with no attempt to correct or control for anything, no analysis, no actual critical thinking, and then turning it into a nice rage-bait article that the press will gobble up.
I particularly like how he took two screenshots of his spreadsheet rather than try to find a way to have an embedded table in his own blog…
The state of this blog post…
You’d think that someone trying this hard to push a narrative about how dangerous and scary foreign-born residents are would get the basic facts of their prevalence correct. They cite:
> 1/4 of the city’s population
as being foreign-born, linking to https://www.ons.gov.uk/census, but if they’d actually looked at the data they’d know it was 40.6%: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/internationalmigrationenglandandwales/census2021
The rest of the blog’s calculations are equally spurious and entirely unhelpful to anyone except people who want to be convinced of something they already believe.
Absolute drivel.
Be very mindful of sources that are really just lobby groups https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Migration_Watch_UK
“Up to” in the headline leads me to doubt the rest of their figures.
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