I love the Northeast but it’s so fucking expensive and if you don’t build housing, this is what you get.
SenecatheEldest on
Air conditioning and cheaper housing and land.
Shurubles on
That’s very interesting. As a non-American, would anyone care to oversimplify the reasons to me?
I kinda imagine that NE migration was/is due to HCOL/taxes (by taxes I mean both on a personal and business level), same deal with the recent CA exodus. South should be more attractive on both those categories, so it would explain the population gain. If that’s correct, what would explain the Midwest exodus? Industries closing/moving?
allophonous-rex on
“California exodus” population declined 0.9% from 2020-2022 and grew only 1% in 2024. So relatively flat and slight contraction during the pandemic but not the hyperbole some news media report.
twistthespine on
What would these trends look like if based on raw numbers rather than percentages? Our population has grown so much that I imagine many of the “declines” would look more like modest increases.
mistephe on
I really wish they’d divide the west a bit more effectively. Beyond California’s population dominating statistics like this, there are fairly drastic cultural and geographic differences in such a massive area.
lambertb on
They’ll all be back when they realize that water is the true source of wealth.
MyCoolName_ on
Nice graph. One needs to keep in mind it represents percentages rather than absolute populations, which I believe have continued increasing in all regions. A compact alternative visualization is the movement of the center of the US population: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population
srm561 on
I feel like this should be added to https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
der_innkeeper on
Disney World opened in 1971.
hiro111 on
The US population in 1970 was 203MM. It’s now about 345MM. I wonder how much if this is driven by immigration preferentially settling in the South rather than internal migration to the south.
SanjiSasuke on
Shit, the South really did rise again.
crimeo on
This graph is not wrong, but is pretty misleading, because it sort of suggests for most people (who are not very data literate on average) that people are leaving the midwest for example and that its population is shrinking. But it’s not, the population is growing. Just *not as fast* as the west, etc.
I think it would match what most people care about more if it was a graph of just all of their actual populations.
Lanceparte on
My prediction is that the Midwest is going to start ticking back up at property values go down and people begin looking for cooler areas with access to fresh water
turb0_encapsulator on
The West could grow if it wanted to. Zoning laws are making it impossible.
tylerderped on
Why are people moving to the south? Other than Virginia, *every* southern state is a shithole.
kodex1717 on
Why the infection point in 1971 for the South? What happened?
zobblor on
Everyone seems to be treating this as specifically a graph showing internal migration from the west/northeast to the south. Isn’t it more likely that this change is due to things like birth rate and immigration?
Hot-Childhood8342 on
Next development. South begins to decline from vaccine-preventable illness in Trump heavy areas reducing the population.
Ignorred on
It’s actually less drastic than I would have guessed. 120 years ago, the midwest and northeast made up 64% of the country. Today, they make up 40% of the country. Hardly a crazy shift for over a century.
ntc2e on
ah yes the….. 0.5% mass exodus. over the course of 4 years… on a chart of 120+ years.
Sinestro617 on
Why is northeast a region and southeast or northwest is not?
Prefer_Ice_Cream on
I wonder if you could show ‘twistthespine’s absolute growth edited for organic growth versus migration? Sort of isolating and separating organic growth from mobilizing.
I mean, how many people are actually packing up and moving? I guess the data would be overshadowed by general the prevailing mobility of the population, but I’m curious about how many (and also what proportion of) folks actually pick up and move out of state.
mycenae42 on
“CA Exodus” is a half million. Would account for only 0.3% of population movement.
Chickat28 on
Thats why the sun belt is trending to be the new blue wall. Maybe not for a decade but its happening.
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Datawrapper was used to make the graph.
Thanks for nothing, air conditioning.
I love the Northeast but it’s so fucking expensive and if you don’t build housing, this is what you get.
Air conditioning and cheaper housing and land.
That’s very interesting. As a non-American, would anyone care to oversimplify the reasons to me?
I kinda imagine that NE migration was/is due to HCOL/taxes (by taxes I mean both on a personal and business level), same deal with the recent CA exodus. South should be more attractive on both those categories, so it would explain the population gain. If that’s correct, what would explain the Midwest exodus? Industries closing/moving?
“California exodus” population declined 0.9% from 2020-2022 and grew only 1% in 2024. So relatively flat and slight contraction during the pandemic but not the hyperbole some news media report.
What would these trends look like if based on raw numbers rather than percentages? Our population has grown so much that I imagine many of the “declines” would look more like modest increases.
I really wish they’d divide the west a bit more effectively. Beyond California’s population dominating statistics like this, there are fairly drastic cultural and geographic differences in such a massive area.
They’ll all be back when they realize that water is the true source of wealth.
Nice graph. One needs to keep in mind it represents percentages rather than absolute populations, which I believe have continued increasing in all regions. A compact alternative visualization is the movement of the center of the US population: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_center_of_the_United_States_population
I feel like this should be added to https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
Disney World opened in 1971.
The US population in 1970 was 203MM. It’s now about 345MM. I wonder how much if this is driven by immigration preferentially settling in the South rather than internal migration to the south.
Shit, the South really did rise again.
This graph is not wrong, but is pretty misleading, because it sort of suggests for most people (who are not very data literate on average) that people are leaving the midwest for example and that its population is shrinking. But it’s not, the population is growing. Just *not as fast* as the west, etc.
I think it would match what most people care about more if it was a graph of just all of their actual populations.
My prediction is that the Midwest is going to start ticking back up at property values go down and people begin looking for cooler areas with access to fresh water
The West could grow if it wanted to. Zoning laws are making it impossible.
Why are people moving to the south? Other than Virginia, *every* southern state is a shithole.
Why the infection point in 1971 for the South? What happened?
Everyone seems to be treating this as specifically a graph showing internal migration from the west/northeast to the south. Isn’t it more likely that this change is due to things like birth rate and immigration?
Next development. South begins to decline from vaccine-preventable illness in Trump heavy areas reducing the population.
It’s actually less drastic than I would have guessed. 120 years ago, the midwest and northeast made up 64% of the country. Today, they make up 40% of the country. Hardly a crazy shift for over a century.
ah yes the….. 0.5% mass exodus. over the course of 4 years… on a chart of 120+ years.
Why is northeast a region and southeast or northwest is not?
I wonder if you could show ‘twistthespine’s absolute growth edited for organic growth versus migration? Sort of isolating and separating organic growth from mobilizing.
I mean, how many people are actually packing up and moving? I guess the data would be overshadowed by general the prevailing mobility of the population, but I’m curious about how many (and also what proportion of) folks actually pick up and move out of state.
“CA Exodus” is a half million. Would account for only 0.3% of population movement.
Thats why the sun belt is trending to be the new blue wall. Maybe not for a decade but its happening.