Would you need a chart removing 9/11 if the chart was for the murderers and not the victims?
cryptotope on
Worth noting is that the source for this is the Cato Institute, a Koch-funded think tank with particular political leanings.
If this is the maximum amount of lipstick they can find to put on the pig of right-wing extremism in the United States, you know it’s bad.
NoPizzaRightNow on
I don’t think the right has any intention of losing their numbers lead. On another note, I think may on the right do consider the Islamism motivated murders as being “left” murders so they would probably refute this data.
borisRoosevelt on
i made a tiktok about this that got throttled. pretty sure i shouldnt have mentioned the president.
difjack on
Oh boy oh boy, wait for the pendulum to swing
Brighter_rocks on
would help if the chart said clearly “murders =victims” – ppl confuse it with number of attackers. 9/11 skews the victim count hard, but was just a handful of perpetrators.
mx440 on
Categorizing these is an admittedly tough task, but didnt immediately pass the sniff test.
Robert Allen Long, for example murdered 8 Asian massage workers which would likely seem racial in nature, but county investigators saw no evidence of racial bias, and by his admission, “wanted to punish those that enabled his sex acts”.
What would then be the rationale for it to be labeled ‘right’?
oceaniscalling on
How about not killing people over politics…??
This applies to everyone.
The left / right arguments on this thread are absurd.
I_Enjoy_Beer on
Well yes but as the electoral college demonstrates, right wing people matter more, so when weighted more appropriately, left wing murderers outweigh right wing murderers.
And anyway, this data is obviously skewed by the notoriously left wing polling apparatus…/checks fine print…the Cato Institute. I’m sure George Soros is behind this group…oh, Charles Koch founded it? Had no idea Charles Koch had become a radical leftist. Shame.
Smitty_Werbnjagr on
This only shows murders committed by foreign born terrorist. Does not depict any acts committed by domestic terrorists.
eatingpotatochips on
Seems like at least some of the perpetrators marked “Left” should be in the “Other” category.
Robin Westman:
>YouTube videos allegedly posted by the shooter suggest Westman experienced depression and expressed admiration for at least a dozen other acts of mass violence, but didn’t spell out any specific ideology.
>An analysis from the Anti-Defamation League noted that Westman’s writings contain clear antisemitic messages as well as other racist content targeting Christians, Jews, Black people, LGBTQ+ individuals, Muslims and Hispanics.
Not sure why the author put Westman in the “Left” category. Westman’s motives seemed mostly in line with their experience at the specific Catholic school, but they were at ideologically mixed.
Why was Luigi Mangione put in the “Left” category? He grew up in a conservative household and there’s no evidence he broke from that. It seems like he had a bad experience with the healthcare industry, but if that’s what makes someone “Left”, then everyone in this country is “Left”.
>Investigators’ working theory for the [motive behind the shooting](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/unitedhealthcare-ceo-murder-luigi-mangione-motive-nypd/) is animosity toward the health care industry. The NYPD said it appears Mangione suffered a debilitating back injury on July 4, 2023, that required a visit to an emergency room and subsequently screws on his spine, according to images posted on social media.
According to the NYPD, Mangione was in possession of notebook paper that had handwritten notes that expressed disdain for corporate America, in particular the health care industry.
Not very pertinent in my opinion, for all we know one guy could be responsible for all the murders of one group, which would skew what this chart is most likely trying to convey…
Top_Wrangler4251 on
The Islamism numbers should be included with the right
eblastic on
Just a coincidence that Reddit won’t allow to download this image? Glad you can just screenshot it
PainSpare5861 on
From your survey, Muslims make up just 1% of the U.S. population yet account for 23% of all politically motivated murders (excluding 9/11), while right-wing conservatives make up around 50% of the population, judging by the latest election, but are only slightly overrepresented, at 63% of all politically motivated murders.
unlikelypisces on
Aaaaand now you will be cancelled by the FCC
dur23 on
Islamic fundamentalism is also right wing. 🙂
Emily-in-data on
I don’t get it. 9/11 should be 4 murders (attacks).
MaMLaLWWE on
Honestly I think seeing the graph without OKC probably would be interesting too, since like 9/11, it was a mass casualty event that skews the numbers so far one way.
iwasnotarobot on
This data is neither beautiful nor reliable.
>The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1977 by Ed Crane, Murray Rothbard, and Charles Koch,[5] chairman of the board and chief executive officer of Koch Industries
>Atlas Network and its partners, such as the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, Cato Institute, and Fraser Institute,[33] have been linked to oil and gas producers, as well as efforts opposing governments’ and activists’ efforts against climate change.
How do we measure the people who have been harmed due to the actions of the authors of this study? The people responsible for social murder are quick to label those who call them out as “terrorists.”
BushDidSixtyNine11 on
Can we post all the violent crime stats?
Cl987654322 on
Not sure why we talk about this. We associate the far right with fascist Nazis. Yes, they’re crazy murderers (totally needed this chart to see that). Then we make this leap that someone who wants to pay less taxes and be less encumbered by the government (a conservative) is somehow “right leaning” or “more right” than a liberal. I don’t get it. The far left in America seems to act more like National Socialists than any other group.
Neko9Neko on
Islamist terrorists are extremely right wing, so those two colours can be combined.
Gardnersnake9 on
When even the Caro Institute has to acknowledge that the majority of political violence is perpetrated by the right wing, you know it must be true. This is like Trump conceding that he’s bad at golf.
Gantzz25 on
Why is Islam the only religious ideology but Judaism and Christianity are not listed (or any other religion)?
BIIIIIID- on
… but this doesn’t align with my preconceived notions.
strumthebuilding on
Well, obviously the only rational takeaway from this is that leftist-perpetrated murders are increasing, and rightist-perpetrated murders are decreasing. It’s clear who the good guys and bad guys are!
The_Emu_Army on
Islamists hate America primarily for nationalist reasons. They don’t like US troops on “holy land” and they don’t like US support of Israel.
So it’s fair enough to break them out separately from Left or Right.
But the kind of society they want is actually very right wing.
russellzerotohero on
Really puts into perspective how many people died on 9/11.
PressureSuitable5156 on
This is a confusing start. Why use a donut instead of a bar chart?
Aljonau on
I see no reason to exclude islamism form other rightwing extremism – as if they’re that different from each other.
asskicker1762 on
Remember: everyone’s nuanced opinions on everything can be summarized and projected onto them in only 1 of 2 flavors.
outawork on
Yes, if you exclude all the Antifa murders. Talk about misinformation…
Upset_Inflation_5386 on
there’s a couple hard core MAGA families in my neighborhood. they are dens of hell riddled with domestic violence, infidelity, frequent police visits, kids that self harm and abuse animals….. everyone keeps their distance from the kids. no surprise all these mass shooters are from MAGA households. my neighborhood knows first hand what kind of environment these poor kids are born into. MAGA homes are cesspools of abuse that mass produce domestic terrorists.
TheMothHour on
Wild that this administration claims that the side who is on average AFRAID of guns is also the one doing all the assassinations? And the side with most of the guns are the victims…
Kalleh03 on
I hate that the party colours are reverse in the US compared to the rest of the world.
Red is left dammit.
Standard_Cobbler_457 on
It’s likely even more skewed since they don’t count all the lynchings of Black people that happen every year as terrorism
bradlees on
Define “politically motivated”
Define the sample data context and the measures
Define the data validation process
RichardStanleyNY on
Sure this is just as accurate as the Covid data hahaha
Rotaryknight on
Why not another pie for incidents/ events?
THSSFC on
Everyone knows that hard core Islamics are leftist.
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Show me one saying water is wet next.
Created in Illustrator. Data from Cato Institute Blog: [https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states](https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states) and [https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-terrorist-killers-data-sources-methodology](https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-terrorist-killers-data-sources-methodology)
Would you need a chart removing 9/11 if the chart was for the murderers and not the victims?
Worth noting is that the source for this is the Cato Institute, a Koch-funded think tank with particular political leanings.
If this is the maximum amount of lipstick they can find to put on the pig of right-wing extremism in the United States, you know it’s bad.
I don’t think the right has any intention of losing their numbers lead. On another note, I think may on the right do consider the Islamism motivated murders as being “left” murders so they would probably refute this data.
i made a tiktok about this that got throttled. pretty sure i shouldnt have mentioned the president.
Oh boy oh boy, wait for the pendulum to swing
would help if the chart said clearly “murders =victims” – ppl confuse it with number of attackers. 9/11 skews the victim count hard, but was just a handful of perpetrators.
Categorizing these is an admittedly tough task, but didnt immediately pass the sniff test.
Robert Allen Long, for example murdered 8 Asian massage workers which would likely seem racial in nature, but county investigators saw no evidence of racial bias, and by his admission, “wanted to punish those that enabled his sex acts”.
What would then be the rationale for it to be labeled ‘right’?
How about not killing people over politics…??
This applies to everyone.
The left / right arguments on this thread are absurd.
Well yes but as the electoral college demonstrates, right wing people matter more, so when weighted more appropriately, left wing murderers outweigh right wing murderers.
And anyway, this data is obviously skewed by the notoriously left wing polling apparatus…/checks fine print…the Cato Institute. I’m sure George Soros is behind this group…oh, Charles Koch founded it? Had no idea Charles Koch had become a radical leftist. Shame.
This only shows murders committed by foreign born terrorist. Does not depict any acts committed by domestic terrorists.
Seems like at least some of the perpetrators marked “Left” should be in the “Other” category.
Robin Westman:
>YouTube videos allegedly posted by the shooter suggest Westman experienced depression and expressed admiration for at least a dozen other acts of mass violence, but didn’t spell out any specific ideology.
[https://wtop.com/national/2025/08/what-we-know-about-the-shooter-who-killed-2-and-wounded-17-in-minneapolis/](https://wtop.com/national/2025/08/what-we-know-about-the-shooter-who-killed-2-and-wounded-17-in-minneapolis/)
>An analysis from the Anti-Defamation League noted that Westman’s writings contain clear antisemitic messages as well as other racist content targeting Christians, Jews, Black people, LGBTQ+ individuals, Muslims and Hispanics.
[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/crime/2025/08/27/shooter-suspect-minneapolis-mass-shooting/85849795007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/crime/2025/08/27/shooter-suspect-minneapolis-mass-shooting/85849795007/)
Not sure why the author put Westman in the “Left” category. Westman’s motives seemed mostly in line with their experience at the specific Catholic school, but they were at ideologically mixed.
Why was Luigi Mangione put in the “Left” category? He grew up in a conservative household and there’s no evidence he broke from that. It seems like he had a bad experience with the healthcare industry, but if that’s what makes someone “Left”, then everyone in this country is “Left”.
>Investigators’ working theory for the [motive behind the shooting](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/unitedhealthcare-ceo-murder-luigi-mangione-motive-nypd/) is animosity toward the health care industry. The NYPD said it appears Mangione suffered a debilitating back injury on July 4, 2023, that required a visit to an emergency room and subsequently screws on his spine, according to images posted on social media.
According to the NYPD, Mangione was in possession of notebook paper that had handwritten notes that expressed disdain for corporate America, in particular the health care industry.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/luigi-mangione-healthcare-ceo-shooting-what-we-know/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/luigi-mangione-healthcare-ceo-shooting-what-we-know/)
Not very pertinent in my opinion, for all we know one guy could be responsible for all the murders of one group, which would skew what this chart is most likely trying to convey…
The Islamism numbers should be included with the right
Just a coincidence that Reddit won’t allow to download this image? Glad you can just screenshot it
From your survey, Muslims make up just 1% of the U.S. population yet account for 23% of all politically motivated murders (excluding 9/11), while right-wing conservatives make up around 50% of the population, judging by the latest election, but are only slightly overrepresented, at 63% of all politically motivated murders.
Aaaaand now you will be cancelled by the FCC
Islamic fundamentalism is also right wing. 🙂
I don’t get it. 9/11 should be 4 murders (attacks).
Honestly I think seeing the graph without OKC probably would be interesting too, since like 9/11, it was a mass casualty event that skews the numbers so far one way.
This data is neither beautiful nor reliable.
>The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1977 by Ed Crane, Murray Rothbard, and Charles Koch,[5] chairman of the board and chief executive officer of Koch Industries
>Atlas Network and its partners, such as the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, Cato Institute, and Fraser Institute,[33] have been linked to oil and gas producers, as well as efforts opposing governments’ and activists’ efforts against climate change.
How do we measure the people who have been harmed due to the actions of the authors of this study? The people responsible for social murder are quick to label those who call them out as “terrorists.”
Can we post all the violent crime stats?
Not sure why we talk about this. We associate the far right with fascist Nazis. Yes, they’re crazy murderers (totally needed this chart to see that). Then we make this leap that someone who wants to pay less taxes and be less encumbered by the government (a conservative) is somehow “right leaning” or “more right” than a liberal. I don’t get it. The far left in America seems to act more like National Socialists than any other group.
Islamist terrorists are extremely right wing, so those two colours can be combined.
When even the Caro Institute has to acknowledge that the majority of political violence is perpetrated by the right wing, you know it must be true. This is like Trump conceding that he’s bad at golf.
Why is Islam the only religious ideology but Judaism and Christianity are not listed (or any other religion)?
… but this doesn’t align with my preconceived notions.
Well, obviously the only rational takeaway from this is that leftist-perpetrated murders are increasing, and rightist-perpetrated murders are decreasing. It’s clear who the good guys and bad guys are!
Islamists hate America primarily for nationalist reasons. They don’t like US troops on “holy land” and they don’t like US support of Israel.
So it’s fair enough to break them out separately from Left or Right.
But the kind of society they want is actually very right wing.
Really puts into perspective how many people died on 9/11.
This is a confusing start. Why use a donut instead of a bar chart?
I see no reason to exclude islamism form other rightwing extremism – as if they’re that different from each other.
Remember: everyone’s nuanced opinions on everything can be summarized and projected onto them in only 1 of 2 flavors.
Yes, if you exclude all the Antifa murders. Talk about misinformation…
there’s a couple hard core MAGA families in my neighborhood. they are dens of hell riddled with domestic violence, infidelity, frequent police visits, kids that self harm and abuse animals….. everyone keeps their distance from the kids. no surprise all these mass shooters are from MAGA households. my neighborhood knows first hand what kind of environment these poor kids are born into. MAGA homes are cesspools of abuse that mass produce domestic terrorists.
Wild that this administration claims that the side who is on average AFRAID of guns is also the one doing all the assassinations? And the side with most of the guns are the victims…
I hate that the party colours are reverse in the US compared to the rest of the world.
Red is left dammit.
It’s likely even more skewed since they don’t count all the lynchings of Black people that happen every year as terrorism
Define “politically motivated”
Define the sample data context and the measures
Define the data validation process
Sure this is just as accurate as the Covid data hahaha
Why not another pie for incidents/ events?
Everyone knows that hard core Islamics are leftist.
/s, of course
Have they seen this in r/conservative ?