
I thought my little experience story might save some of you from choosing an insurance solution for parts of your 3a pillar and losing a lot of money with it.
In 2019 I let myself getting talked into a 3a insurance solution by Helvetia. Since then I’ve paid CHF 320.- every month. Minus the CHF ~400.- yearly insurance premium, I paid around 3’440.- into my 3a pillar at Helvetia every year.
At the end, after almost exactly six years, the payout was just short of CHF 7’830.-
Here’s the yearly share credit balance (Anteilguthaben) as per Helevtia’s yearly portfolio excerpt (every October, all values very slightly rounded):
| Year | Share Credit Balance (share) | diff |
|---|---|---|
| 2020 | 2’460 | / |
| 2021 | 4’270 | + 1’810 |
| 2022 | 3’890 | – 380 |
| 2023 | 6’110 | + 2’220 |
| 2024 | 10’190 | + 4’080 |
| 2025 | 7’830 | – 2’360 |
Basically, I paid CHF 20’000 over six years and my 3a pillar with Helvetia ended up with less than CHF 8’000. Losing more than half the money who knows where, in a solution that’s supposed to generate 3.45% – 5.80% interest, according to Helvetia’s documents.
Mind you, the payout was not within the first two years, where they would have taken an extra fee on top.
If I had paid the CHF 320.- per month into a saving plans that invests into shares and gotten yearly returns of 6%, I would now have CHF 27’000. 20’000 more than what I’ve gotten. Good thing I’m in good standing financially, for other people notn having 20’000 would be catastrophic.
Conclusion: Never choose an insurance solution for your 3a pillar, don’t let yourself get talked into it. Avoid at all cost.
And don’t be lazy like me and postpone cancelling the contract because Helvetia hides it really well how to do so. I needed another website telling me how it can be done. Comparis has a template and your new provider will have a document saying where to transfer the money to. https://www.comparis.ch/altersvorsorge/saeule3a/kuendigen
Edit: Added, the CHF 400.- yearly insurance would’ve gotten me exactly 1’000 francs per month and the insurance would continue paying every month into the 3a pillar.
I had the Helvetia 3a pillar "Guarantee Plan" for 6 years. The result is even worse than what you'd expect.
byu/BansheeGriffin inSwitzerland
Posted by BansheeGriffin

13 Comments
Oh my. I am so sorry for you. But thank you so much for sharing!
Several Redditors had the same experience already. Those products are partly an insurance, for cases were you get injured or unemployed. Insurances cost money, and if you (hopefully) don’t need the coverage, that money is gone.
How can this shit be legal
The only reason to have it is as life insurance.. In case you get very ill, for example.
Indeed worse than I would have thought. Thx for sharing.
Wtf. What a nightmare
Then why people insists in using that route ?
So sorry to hear about your awful experience. It actually makes me angry how they can get away with basically robbing people off their hard-earned money.
I have a 3a Fisca account with UBS and I always wonder if I should pull my money out.
Scammers.
The main problem of these products is how the agent sell them. When I came here 10 years ago they tried to sell the same shit to me and my wife. Luckily we were financially educated and we saw the scam right away and refused the offer.
Look viac, it’s a really good 3a option. I’m up 32% in 3 years. Pretty good imo
I cancelled mine, after they increased the yearly rate by over 500 CHF to cover the premium/bonus/whatever they call it. So instead of taking 4800 CHF which went into pillar 3A, they wanted 5300CHF, and this woke me up. Did some maths, told them that until the year I found out, the vehicle was worth 2000 CHF short of what I had paid so far, and also what they predicted, called the guy who was responsible, said: “fuck it, your time is over to spend the money on booze and hookers”, and despite him predicting my a shiny, golden future if I would stay with them, forced him to transfer the money to a regular 3A account, and closed the whole mess with 2k short.
Since then, AXA avoids me,. but: fuck AXA. Your highly paid specialists in investing the money are too drunk to really earn money, and I know who paid the party.
If it’s been said once, it’s been said a million times. As soon as you discover this, make the effort to cancel and make the switch. Cut your losses and never look back.
FinPension, Frankly, Viac, whatever.
Switch.
Now.
Whats with all the redditors getting 3a insurance? Never ever heard of this before reddit. and arent you supposed to leave your money in the 3a until retirement? why take it out after 5-10 years?
go to comparis and pick the 3a that has the lowest yearly costs