Hi all, I´m close to sign my first apartment rental contract and I am looking for help. Our landlord is renting with the furniture associated (we are not really interested in this – we could accept a furniture-less rental). There s quite a huge increase from the last tenant and I am not sure if this is justificable only with the furniture. Any thoughts? Furniture value is approx 9,500 CHF according to another document. Thanks in advance
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Posted by zokshen
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why is it so blurry
If you’re not willing to pay the price, find a different place. You’re not being forced to live there.
Look for another place, furnished flats are a pain in the butt and very expensive. Unless you need it there’s no reason to take furnished
3300 for 62 square meters is crazy.
But it says that rent is reduced from the previous price that included furniture?
Is he subletting? If so then the verwaltung might not even accept if he is making money out of it. But assuming all OKed by the verwaltung, then its your choice to accept or not..
Pa he assumes his furniture will live for 2.5 years and wants to recover the cost of it – would be super funny when you leave and having to pay 9.5k for “damaged” furniture..
Damn thats expensive
Are all images from the same contract? The numbers don’t seem to match.
In reference to the first image: all that’s increased is the Nebenkosten, not the rent itself. If these are akonto (i.e. tallied up with actual expenses once a year), this might save you from having to pay an additional bill if expenses are higher than expected. It also means that you would get money back if expenses were lower than your monthly payments. However, Nebenkosten can also be fixed in rental contracts (i.e. not tallied up with expenses, with you neither having to pas extra or getting any money back). If it’s the latter, the increase in your contract might be a hidden rent increase.
Ask them to provide a copy of the last rental contract and the contact details of the last tenant.
Sign it and then contest the initial rent within 30 days. There are so many legal mistakes/issues in that form, that landlord seems to be really stupid: Furniture would be part of the net rent not the Nebenkosten, Vorbehalt must include a valid reasoning and CHF (or percentage) amount, Nebenkosten doesn‘t list whether it‘s flatrate (Pauschale) or downpayment (Akonto).
In case Nebenkosten is a downpayment (Akonto), you could also dispute each Nebenkosten bill (and get each year 12×330 reimbursed) due to the 330 for furniture not able to legally be billed via Nebenkosten.
Also, 330 CHF monthly for furniture worth 10k CHF is excessive, so another reason to dispute the initial rent after signing the contract (as soon as you have the landlord-countersigned copy in hand).
Also, the „right to increase“ from picture 3 is legally invalid, because that constitutes a „Mietzinsvorbehalt“, for which a valid reason (from the selection of legally allowed reasons) must be given, which the landlord didn‘t do.
Additionally, the notification form is filled out wrong (doesnt match the rental contract in picture 2), therefore the tenant can at any point – even years later(!) – dispute the initial rent (not just within 30 days, which only applies if the form was filled correctly) because the erroneous form makes the initial rent legally „like it was never set“ (so a court will have to set it). Also, in such cases the tenant can retroactively demand up to 10 years(!!!) of overpaid rent (based on the allowed initial rent as decided by a court) back.
I would definitely go to the conciliation authority. a.k.a. “Schlichtungsbehörde “