What’s better?

B2B for a single ’employer’ should be illegal, and then maybe everyone’s tax burden could be reduced. Very high taxes on employment means there is a ceiling for salaries in Poland and once a certain level is reached everyone is offered B2B, but at the expense of their rights and benefits, and this also leads to much higher inequality of high earners avoiding tax through B2B that should be employment.

FYI if you are employed in Poland, your employer pays more for you than if you were on the same salary in the UK, and you take home less money, and the difference is significant.

As inflation increases salary (+tax) pressures on employers, this will lead to a long term reduction in jobs in Poland as things move to lower cost countries.

B2b

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UoP
No elo, średnia krajowa to niedościgniony sen mordo.
B2B

Najmocniej przepraszam Panie Prezesie(sam jesteś prezesem), w tym miesiącu fakturki tylko na 80 koła.

Tymczasem rzeczywistość B2B: nie będzie mnie w pracy dwa tygodnie bo mnie boli palec u lewej stopy, L4 nie wziąłem, bo nawet nie byłem u lekarza. 

Przed 2 progiem podatkowym UoP, ponad 2 progiem… to juz zalezy.

Za te podatki co place to bym mogl lekarza prywatnie najac i dietetyka.

B2B is kind of elegant – if you are willing to take business risk and reduced benefits, you can. Its part of the reason why Poland has become so competitive in sectors like IT. I like this freedom aspect of Poland that doesn’t try and trap everyone and then constantly do forced redistribution without any escape hatches. Its one of the more noticeable differences with western european economies and gives it some economic vibrancy like the US (though not as extreme, and still preserving the right to opt into lower risk UoP). People would be surprised how much economic activity would be completely suppressed if only UoP was allowed due to the large costs. Though history suggests as Poland gets wealthier, it will remove this because as democracies get wealthier they seem to trend toward socialism and redistribution which first requires forcing everyone into the crab bucket.

Where UoP provides good value for money for the employer and employee people will take it. Employers don’t really care that much – they are just saying “we aren’t going to pay more gross for UoP because it doesn’t really benefit us. We care about the value you create and how much it costs us”. And employees in Poland just care about Netto salary, so they also do the maths and decide what works best for them.

There is some meme that non UoP work is just employment with cheating and its used by high earners. But its not true. There is B2B and Contract of Mandate – many of the folks that use especially contract of mandate are not big earners. If you want to do B2B you need to accept legal liability for the work you produce, and don’t get standard employee protections. I fully support there being enforcement of scenarios where its fake B2B (guy gets holidays, fixed working hours and location, no real risk taking)- but not where its being used as an excuse to practically eliminate the ability for an individual to be B2B in order to force everyone into the crab bucket. There is a strong argument for mandating that everyone, regardless of their employment contract, is forced to contribute enough to support themselves in retirement and medical care – but B2B zus contribution levels already do this.

So yes if you are great at what you do, value high income and have some balls and circumstances to take a bit of risk B2B is great. If you are very risk averse, maybe you have a family or are the sole breadwinner, or maybe you know you aren’t a rockstar and want the state to prevent your employer firing you for being mid, UoP is probably better. If you are more left leaning and think companies are out to screw you rather than build value, you’ll probably favour UoP for idiological reasons.

Ani B2B ani UoP. Najlepsze jest być niezależnym przedsiębiorcą, nawet takim małym na własnym poletku 1m2. Inaczej jesteś po prostu parobkiem na czyimś polu i tego faktu nie zmienisz. Takie popychadło, za mniej lub więcej misek ryżu.
Niestety nie w Polsce, bo tu nie szanuje się zmyślności, ani na poziomie społecznym (“prywaciarz”), ani państwowym (US). Kto nie chce być parobkiem w garniturze, będzie musiał uciekać.
Niestety tak długo jak będziecie głosować na demagogów wszelkiej maści: od lewicy postępowej, przez lewicę pobożną, po kapitalizm kompradorski, tak długo będziecie mieć przechlapane. Dokarmiajcie ten system, to wam co najwyżej lejce na chomącie skrócą, byście baty lepiej czuli.
Jeśli bierzecie udział w tych wyborach demagoga czterolatki, albo podniecacie się tymi wszystkim wiadomościami z partyjniackiego podwórka na temat ich pyskówek, to sami sobie taki los zgotowaliście i sami jesteście sobie winni.
Więc nie jęczeć, chomąto na szyję i do kieratu zapraszamy.

B2C 💪

No patrz, a jak byłam managerem to niczego nie mogłam wymagać od pracowników na zleceniówce. Jedna laska sobie nawet nie przyszła do pracy bo “zaspała i potem jej było głupio” a i tak tam została