It’s actually quite amazing how this is misogyny (the belief that women are pure creatures who can’t do any wrong) and misandry (the belief that only men can commit heinous crimes) at the same time. The judge – a man, by the way – literally blamed the bank staff and not this bitch. “Look what you made her do!” As if she had no agency of her own.
NeighborhoodHeavy454 on
Just to note you can ask the attorney general to appeal someone unduly weak sentences. You don’t have to be connected with the case. It’s a simple form and it could result in this **** getting actual justice.
I’m only going on the video here, and don’t know anything about the case or prior offences, but I’m struggling to see why people think this woman deserves prison here. She was assaulted first, she pushed back, and something very unfortunate happened. Suspended sentence seems about right.
TrojanHorsa on
Every institution in this country hates young people.
Woman gets attacked and responds with a gentle shove, and then BAM they’re a convicted criminal.
Scattered97 on
What the hell is going on in this thread? “Oh it was only a little shove”. “She has a right to self-defence (against an 80-year-old with dementia, armed with a handbag).” **A woman died.** The perpetrator should be behind bars.
Yes that’s you Mr Starmer – it’s ok for a trained officer to harshly push a law abiding man over who was showing no violence.
seafactory on
>Following the hearing, Mrs Coutinho-Lopez’s daughter Michelle Lopez said that she and her family had been left “trapped in an emotional prison”. >”It was a consequence of Courtney Richman’s heinous and **vicious behaviour**,” she added.
Oh my god fuck off, it was her mother that swung at her first. And this whole family knew that this woman was suffering from dementia, but allowed her to be walking around alone, completely unaided and unassisted, to the extent that she was travelling to the bank on financial business.
The response here was disproportionate, I agree, but from the perspective of the younger woman and everybody in the bank, this curmudgeonly old woman had come into the bank, had become belligerent and aggressive with staff members, was holding up a massive queue by arguing with the tellers over an error that was causes by either advanced age or a consequence of the dementia, and when the young woman harried her to hurry up, she turned around and assaulted her. I think that would piss anybody off regardless of the woman’s age.
CasualSmurf on
The people in this thread defending the woman who pushed her are the same crowd who would vilify a man for shoving a woman if she had hit him first.
SignificanceOld1751 on
I wonder if I got pushed to the ground after being a total dick, and had a seizure because I’m epileptic (ie, disabled) and subsequently died, then the person who pushed me would go to prison.
I bloody well hope not, because I was being a.dick in that hypothetical scenario
Ok_One9519 on
I don’t see what is wrong with retaliation after being struck first. Assault is assault, doesn’t matter if it is with a handbag. And if you are too ‘vulnerable’ to not go around hitting people for no reason, then you should be in an asylum or home. Fuck having to deal with all these crazies outside. She should have been swiftly removed from branch after less than 2 mins of listening to her nonsense. Imaging holding up queue for over 30 mins with her BS.
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It’s actually quite amazing how this is misogyny (the belief that women are pure creatures who can’t do any wrong) and misandry (the belief that only men can commit heinous crimes) at the same time. The judge – a man, by the way – literally blamed the bank staff and not this bitch. “Look what you made her do!” As if she had no agency of her own.
Just to note you can ask the attorney general to appeal someone unduly weak sentences. You don’t have to be connected with the case. It’s a simple form and it could result in this **** getting actual justice.
https://www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review
I’m only going on the video here, and don’t know anything about the case or prior offences, but I’m struggling to see why people think this woman deserves prison here. She was assaulted first, she pushed back, and something very unfortunate happened. Suspended sentence seems about right.
Every institution in this country hates young people.
Woman gets attacked and responds with a gentle shove, and then BAM they’re a convicted criminal.
What the hell is going on in this thread? “Oh it was only a little shove”. “She has a right to self-defence (against an 80-year-old with dementia, armed with a handbag).” **A woman died.** The perpetrator should be behind bars.
Compare to Death of Ian Tomlinson
[Death of Ian Tomlinson – Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson)
Yes that’s you Mr Starmer – it’s ok for a trained officer to harshly push a law abiding man over who was showing no violence.
>Following the hearing, Mrs Coutinho-Lopez’s daughter Michelle Lopez said that she and her family had been left “trapped in an emotional prison”. >”It was a consequence of Courtney Richman’s heinous and **vicious behaviour**,” she added.
Oh my god fuck off, it was her mother that swung at her first. And this whole family knew that this woman was suffering from dementia, but allowed her to be walking around alone, completely unaided and unassisted, to the extent that she was travelling to the bank on financial business.
The response here was disproportionate, I agree, but from the perspective of the younger woman and everybody in the bank, this curmudgeonly old woman had come into the bank, had become belligerent and aggressive with staff members, was holding up a massive queue by arguing with the tellers over an error that was causes by either advanced age or a consequence of the dementia, and when the young woman harried her to hurry up, she turned around and assaulted her. I think that would piss anybody off regardless of the woman’s age.
The people in this thread defending the woman who pushed her are the same crowd who would vilify a man for shoving a woman if she had hit him first.
I wonder if I got pushed to the ground after being a total dick, and had a seizure because I’m epileptic (ie, disabled) and subsequently died, then the person who pushed me would go to prison.
I bloody well hope not, because I was being a.dick in that hypothetical scenario
I don’t see what is wrong with retaliation after being struck first. Assault is assault, doesn’t matter if it is with a handbag. And if you are too ‘vulnerable’ to not go around hitting people for no reason, then you should be in an asylum or home. Fuck having to deal with all these crazies outside. She should have been swiftly removed from branch after less than 2 mins of listening to her nonsense. Imaging holding up queue for over 30 mins with her BS.