(We won’t tell you until you’ve wasted 4 weeks on applications and interviews only to find its £20k lower than your current job)
StGuthlac2025 on
“UK employers have become less likely to advertise salaries or offer non-pay benefits as a slump in hiring persists, according to data published on Tuesday by the jobs site Indeed. The share of job postings including information on pay was 55 per cent in October, down from 65 per cent a year earlier and the lowest since the end of 2021, its figures showed.
A similar pattern emerged with the share of postings advertising other benefits, such as flexibility, travel to work or food, which also fell compared with a year earlier, albeit with a smaller drop from 67 to 65 per cent. Employers have also become less likely to offer signing-on bonuses, which became widespread during a post-pandemic hiring upswing in sectors suffering from acute skills shortages.
Jack Kennedy, senior economist at Indeed, said the figures suggested companies were increasingly able to name their terms in a jobs market where candidates were now jostling for the limited opportunities available. “The dial has swung further in their favour,” Kennedy said, noting that employers were also becoming stricter about office attendance rules, with the majority stipulating at least two or three days spent on-site.
The drop in salary transparency is striking, because UK wage growth has so far remained relatively strong, despite a long period of falling payroll employment and sluggish hiring. The latest official data shows average weekly wages were 4.8 per cent higher than a year earlier in the three months to September and recent survey evidence suggests there has been little change in employers’ expectations for wage growth over the year ahead. But pay growth has been strongest in the public sector and in low-wage sectors like hospitality where increases in the minimum wage have forced employers’ hand.
In keeping with official data and surveys, Indeed’s figures show average UK wage growth remains strong, with advertised pay 5.3 per cent higher than a year earlier, compared with 2.4 per cent in the US and Eurozone. Job ads that do not disclose pay are more likely to be for higher-paid professional roles where salaries tend to be negotiable. Hiring has been weakest in the areas where employers face greatest cost pressures from the higher minimum wage and payroll taxes. Indeed’s data showed UK postings for high-wage jobs were just 14 per cent below their pre-pandemic level.
However, postings for low-wage occupations were down 20 per cent, in contrast to Germany, France and Italy where demand for low-wage workers remains relatively strong.”
Von_Uber on
Employers: hide salary until they make the offer where it is substantially less than what you are currently on.
Also Employers: ‘it’s impossible fill this role as there are no good candidates, time to offshore it’.
klepto_entropoid on
I’m sure many people, myself certainly, won’t even bother reading the advertisement if there is no salary displayed.
MAXSuicide on
If you don’t disclose the salary from the off, it’s a massive red flag and I won’t be applying.
Learned that lesson when I was young.
Saltypeon on
It should be mandatory to include salary in adverts.
DaVirus on
The job market only cares about 1 thing: how easy are you too replace. Everything else is built on top of that.
Wassa76 on
To be honest, I find less disclose it, but the values are higher than current employees are being paid due to the stagnation over the last few years.
belegdae on
What I don’t understand, is how the government is wanting to raise GDP, and is raising minimum wages, but won’t make employers advertise salaries as some other countries do. Surely it would put upward pressure on salaries, increasing tax revenue and GDP?
Conspiruhcy on
I wouldn’t apply for and my company wouldn’t advertise roles that don’t state the salary. It’s waste of time for both parties not to at least give a range.
CaptainVXR on
We offer a competitive (minimum that we think we can get away with) salary, perks like statutory holiday entitlement, part of which is used for a mandatory Christmas shutdown whether you like it or not, and the government-legislated auto-enrolment pension scheme. Come join us for a mandatory 5 days a week in office role that could be mostly done from home, zero flexibility on start and finish times, micromanagement and an impossible workload, and pay for your own Christmas social, attendance mandatory!
DtM- on
Isn’t this just the irony of modern UK summed up?
No one can find a job, employers are complaining that there’s a “hiring slump” and their way of dealing with it is hiding less than mediocre salaries and not offering any perks.
You’d think that there’d be a lightbulb moment somewhere in the recruitment team at some point… “hmmm if no one is taking our jobs, maybe we should actually make them an attractive proposition”.
BaldyBaldyBouncer on
I’m assuming all the people saying they wouldn’t apply if there is no salary listed are in pretty junior roles. Once you get past 50k the only jobs that list the salary tend to be scams.
Yamosu on
Job I’m in now didn’t advertise a salary and ended up having a pay cut to swap jobs, but I needed to leave my last job. Now I’m working for a vastly better business and had a pay rise this year which makes it even better.
I know this is probably an unusual experience but I’m so glad I took the chance and I’m undoubtedly in a better position now than a few years ago
PugAndChips on
This is just that Indeed ad interview in the flesh, then?
Georgioies on
Please stop listing legaly required things as perks please…
cleo_da_cat on
This thread is full of people who like to moan, and by the sounds of things, haven’t applied for a job within the last 10 years.
Job adverts often won’t list the salary, but when you apply, nine times out of ten, the first stage is a 15 minute call with a recruiter or hiring manager.
One of the first questions they ask is what your current salary is. They will then tell you whether the role you’re applying for is in line with or above that salary.
Ive interviewed for dozens of companies, and never have they only disclosed the salary at the end of multi week process. It doesn’t benefit you or them.
pajamakitten on
Not looking for work but I guarantee I would never apply for a job with no salary or benefits in the advert. Why go to the effort of applying, which is a ball ache these days, to get offered the job and find out it is not worth leaving my current job? People desperate for any job will still apply regardless because they need something, do all it will do is turn away who are already in work.
chinatowngirl on
Feel very lucky to have my mostly-boring and sometimes-frustrating but ultimately competitively-paid and not-that-stressful corporate job right now. I was made redundant last year and it took me 6 months to find something new. It’s not a happy time to be on the market.
carboncopy404 on
I work for a large recruitment company (in the marketing team) and we did research on salary transparency which found:
78% of people are less likely to apply to a job without a salary
22% of people exclusively apply to jobs that list salaries
Employers are shooting themselves in the foot not displaying their offered salaries. But we all know it’s because they want to offer as little as possible, and/or don’t want their current employees to learn there’s a huge discrepancy of salaries within their company for the same job/team.
CaptainHindsight92 on
They should be required to disclose it. Most jobs require at least two interviews and a lengthy application process. To be in with a chance, you have to spend several hours on a single application and likely many more preparing for interviews. Then you can find out the upper range is less than your current salary.
TheZag90 on
Recruiters are annoying and arrogant but also usually pretty shit negotiators.
I find that if I’m confident that my profile fits their brief, I can do the recruiter interview then refuse to go any further until we’re aligned on salary expectations.
(Touch wood) this has never resulted in anything other than them caving and telling me a salary band for the role.
CR4ZYKUNT on
If there is no hourly rate on the post I presume it’s minimum wage or shite so I skip on to one that does. No point wasting time with shitty companies like that. If they paid properly they would be happy to disclose it on the advert
OokiiSaizu32 on
“How do we make the last few jobs in the country really fucking unappealing to anyone in need of a job?”
“Make them apply without knowing the salary so that they feel obliged to accept SHIT MONEY, otherwise we can’t recoup all the money we pissed up the wall in ChatGPT accounts for everyone in the office.”
DigbyGibbers on
Lots of people saying they won’t apply, like it matters. Have any of you recruited recently? It’s an absolute deluge of applications, no one is that bothered if a few people are limiting what they apply to.
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Salary: Competitive
(We won’t tell you until you’ve wasted 4 weeks on applications and interviews only to find its £20k lower than your current job)
“UK employers have become less likely to advertise salaries or offer non-pay benefits as a slump in hiring persists, according to data published on Tuesday by the jobs site Indeed. The share of job postings including information on pay was 55 per cent in October, down from 65 per cent a year earlier and the lowest since the end of 2021, its figures showed.
A similar pattern emerged with the share of postings advertising other benefits, such as flexibility, travel to work or food, which also fell compared with a year earlier, albeit with a smaller drop from 67 to 65 per cent. Employers have also become less likely to offer signing-on bonuses, which became widespread during a post-pandemic hiring upswing in sectors suffering from acute skills shortages.
Jack Kennedy, senior economist at Indeed, said the figures suggested companies were increasingly able to name their terms in a jobs market where candidates were now jostling for the limited opportunities available. “The dial has swung further in their favour,” Kennedy said, noting that employers were also becoming stricter about office attendance rules, with the majority stipulating at least two or three days spent on-site.
The drop in salary transparency is striking, because UK wage growth has so far remained relatively strong, despite a long period of falling payroll employment and sluggish hiring. The latest official data shows average weekly wages were 4.8 per cent higher than a year earlier in the three months to September and recent survey evidence suggests there has been little change in employers’ expectations for wage growth over the year ahead. But pay growth has been strongest in the public sector and in low-wage sectors like hospitality where increases in the minimum wage have forced employers’ hand.
In keeping with official data and surveys, Indeed’s figures show average UK wage growth remains strong, with advertised pay 5.3 per cent higher than a year earlier, compared with 2.4 per cent in the US and Eurozone. Job ads that do not disclose pay are more likely to be for higher-paid professional roles where salaries tend to be negotiable. Hiring has been weakest in the areas where employers face greatest cost pressures from the higher minimum wage and payroll taxes. Indeed’s data showed UK postings for high-wage jobs were just 14 per cent below their pre-pandemic level.
However, postings for low-wage occupations were down 20 per cent, in contrast to Germany, France and Italy where demand for low-wage workers remains relatively strong.”
Employers: hide salary until they make the offer where it is substantially less than what you are currently on.
Also Employers: ‘it’s impossible fill this role as there are no good candidates, time to offshore it’.
I’m sure many people, myself certainly, won’t even bother reading the advertisement if there is no salary displayed.
If you don’t disclose the salary from the off, it’s a massive red flag and I won’t be applying.
Learned that lesson when I was young.
It should be mandatory to include salary in adverts.
The job market only cares about 1 thing: how easy are you too replace. Everything else is built on top of that.
To be honest, I find less disclose it, but the values are higher than current employees are being paid due to the stagnation over the last few years.
What I don’t understand, is how the government is wanting to raise GDP, and is raising minimum wages, but won’t make employers advertise salaries as some other countries do. Surely it would put upward pressure on salaries, increasing tax revenue and GDP?
I wouldn’t apply for and my company wouldn’t advertise roles that don’t state the salary. It’s waste of time for both parties not to at least give a range.
We offer a competitive (minimum that we think we can get away with) salary, perks like statutory holiday entitlement, part of which is used for a mandatory Christmas shutdown whether you like it or not, and the government-legislated auto-enrolment pension scheme. Come join us for a mandatory 5 days a week in office role that could be mostly done from home, zero flexibility on start and finish times, micromanagement and an impossible workload, and pay for your own Christmas social, attendance mandatory!
Isn’t this just the irony of modern UK summed up?
No one can find a job, employers are complaining that there’s a “hiring slump” and their way of dealing with it is hiding less than mediocre salaries and not offering any perks.
You’d think that there’d be a lightbulb moment somewhere in the recruitment team at some point… “hmmm if no one is taking our jobs, maybe we should actually make them an attractive proposition”.
I’m assuming all the people saying they wouldn’t apply if there is no salary listed are in pretty junior roles. Once you get past 50k the only jobs that list the salary tend to be scams.
Job I’m in now didn’t advertise a salary and ended up having a pay cut to swap jobs, but I needed to leave my last job. Now I’m working for a vastly better business and had a pay rise this year which makes it even better.
I know this is probably an unusual experience but I’m so glad I took the chance and I’m undoubtedly in a better position now than a few years ago
This is just that Indeed ad interview in the flesh, then?
Please stop listing legaly required things as perks please…
This thread is full of people who like to moan, and by the sounds of things, haven’t applied for a job within the last 10 years.
Job adverts often won’t list the salary, but when you apply, nine times out of ten, the first stage is a 15 minute call with a recruiter or hiring manager.
One of the first questions they ask is what your current salary is. They will then tell you whether the role you’re applying for is in line with or above that salary.
Ive interviewed for dozens of companies, and never have they only disclosed the salary at the end of multi week process. It doesn’t benefit you or them.
Not looking for work but I guarantee I would never apply for a job with no salary or benefits in the advert. Why go to the effort of applying, which is a ball ache these days, to get offered the job and find out it is not worth leaving my current job? People desperate for any job will still apply regardless because they need something, do all it will do is turn away who are already in work.
Feel very lucky to have my mostly-boring and sometimes-frustrating but ultimately competitively-paid and not-that-stressful corporate job right now. I was made redundant last year and it took me 6 months to find something new. It’s not a happy time to be on the market.
I work for a large recruitment company (in the marketing team) and we did research on salary transparency which found:
78% of people are less likely to apply to a job without a salary
22% of people exclusively apply to jobs that list salaries
Employers are shooting themselves in the foot not displaying their offered salaries. But we all know it’s because they want to offer as little as possible, and/or don’t want their current employees to learn there’s a huge discrepancy of salaries within their company for the same job/team.
They should be required to disclose it. Most jobs require at least two interviews and a lengthy application process. To be in with a chance, you have to spend several hours on a single application and likely many more preparing for interviews. Then you can find out the upper range is less than your current salary.
Recruiters are annoying and arrogant but also usually pretty shit negotiators.
I find that if I’m confident that my profile fits their brief, I can do the recruiter interview then refuse to go any further until we’re aligned on salary expectations.
(Touch wood) this has never resulted in anything other than them caving and telling me a salary band for the role.
If there is no hourly rate on the post I presume it’s minimum wage or shite so I skip on to one that does. No point wasting time with shitty companies like that. If they paid properly they would be happy to disclose it on the advert
“How do we make the last few jobs in the country really fucking unappealing to anyone in need of a job?”
“Make them apply without knowing the salary so that they feel obliged to accept SHIT MONEY, otherwise we can’t recoup all the money we pissed up the wall in ChatGPT accounts for everyone in the office.”
Lots of people saying they won’t apply, like it matters. Have any of you recruited recently? It’s an absolute deluge of applications, no one is that bothered if a few people are limiting what they apply to.