I am pretty sure the Met tried a Masonic register years ago and it was all kicked into touch after a proposed legal challenge. I wonder if this will go the same way.
supergodmasterforce on
I read this as, “What if some of the corrupt and/or racist cops out there are also Freemasons? We don’t want to be exposed for not properly vetting our members”
Also probably worried about how this will effect people in the Police force who are receiving or have received favourable posts/promotions etc. due to their membership
457655676 on
Not a great look from the funny handshake brigade tbh.
Branwolf on
Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We dooo, we dooo
SableSnail on
My grandfather was in the police and also a Mason, and that was like 50 years ago. I’m surprised it’s still an issue these days as I thought the Masons were dying out.
Tbh to me it always seemed like more of a drinking club (and a rather successful one, given the number of alcoholics) rather than some shadowy conspiracy to control the world though.
NoExperience9717 on
Ah so this is just saying if you’re a member of a hierarchial society that requires you to help other members then you need to declare it as part kf the police. This could be quite a wide band but it’s not releasing membership lists.
Important_Ruin on
Surley large overlap between police and members of freemason?
Few-Hair-5382 on
I don’t know why people are so accepting of the Masons. I know plenty of Masons, and they brag about how they can get off traffic fines or out of arrests by saying a few cryptic words. And in the same breath they will tell how they are just a charitable organisation.
Everything they do flys in the face of understandings of fairplay and equal justice. It should frankly be illegal to be a member of the Masons in the police, legal services or public sector. Current members should be told to either leave the Masons or their profession if in one of these roles. And it should be a criminal offence to not declare membership if in these roles.
__law on
I mean on the one hand, the masons aren’t nearly as conspiratorial as most people think. They mostly just drink and attend functions. On the other hand, they are a secret society, their membership is secret, their decision making is secret, what they talk about is secret. Police offers should – rightly – be exposed to some scrutiny. If you’re going to be part of a secret society at the very least you ought to share it.
Longjumping-Fig-7481 on
What’s that? You would like your PRIVACY?!?!?!?! HOW INTERESTING
stringerbellwire on
I’ve been reading From Hell for the first time (it’s amazing) and this lot aren’t painted in the best light. They’re really letting themselves down here.
Criflly on
For anyone defending this lot, I have a few family members who are part of it. They tried to cover up one of the family who was a member being caught with child porn by his wife. This was done through threatening her with “trouble” from multiple angles (legal, police). Fortunately she’s a fighter. He’s in prison now. Divorce gone through. The others should be in with him for conspiracy, but they got away with it.
They put members before justice. Which is a problem when members are involved in justice.
Sea_Pomegranate8229 on
From the people who demand your identity during every interaction!
Dystopian_Everyday on
For what it’s worth, police don’t need to reveal this information to everyone, just their internal vetting teams. The vetting teams then are not allowed to reveal that information elsewhere.
Its purpose is to be transparent should the police need to investigate or negotiate with Freemasons or like organisations or for promotion prospects.
Police are still allowed to become Freemasons and in a sense it’s normalising membership instead of making it appear corrupt and seedy
Cute-Cat-2351 on
What on earth could they have to hide? I mean, it’s not as if they’re a secret brotherhood who occupy positions of power and who use their influence to enrich and unlawfully protect one anot…… oh, hang on a min 🙄
NoTitleChamp on
I’m surprised people are upset by police officers having to reveal if they are part of any cults, I mean clubs.
andrew0256 on
The Commissioner is saying the Freemason are guilty of something without bothering with the trouble of gathering evidence. As such it is discriminatory to that organisation and members.
To be truly transparent police officers should be required to register their membership of any organisation, society. club, charity, even their local allotment society.
huntsab2090 on
Ive always wanted anonymous to get this list and release it. Good on the police for doing it instead.
wyflare on
What’s the crack with these guys, do they piss in each others pockets?
Airurando-jin on
Freemasons have no right to place themselves above the law. We deserve to know that officers , judges etc are free from influence.
Same would apply to organisations like the buffaloes/R.A.O.B /buffs too
PositiveLibrary7032 on
High profile member include George VI, the Duke of Edinburgh and go down in the society triangle from that scale.
jenny_905 on
It’s interesting how similar the masons are to the mafia.
Kapitano72 on
You’ll probably find your local chapter on facebook. They have a very selective notion of “secrecy”.
The popular image of the masons comes from “The Brotherhood” by Stephen C Knight. If you want an estimate of his research rigour, he *also* wrote “[Jack The Ripper: The Final Solution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper:_The_Final_Solution)”, in which the Whitechappel murders were a plot to protect the public image of Queen Victoria.
i-readit2 on
Was this not done before about the 80s. When they tried to cut down corruption within the met.
genjin on
If accusations against another group, let’s say Muslim or lgbt, or pro Palestine or reform supporting police would we demand the same transparency? I don’t have an answer, don’t know what the correct answer is, worth asking the question.
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I am pretty sure the Met tried a Masonic register years ago and it was all kicked into touch after a proposed legal challenge. I wonder if this will go the same way.
I read this as, “What if some of the corrupt and/or racist cops out there are also Freemasons? We don’t want to be exposed for not properly vetting our members”
Also probably worried about how this will effect people in the Police force who are receiving or have received favourable posts/promotions etc. due to their membership
Not a great look from the funny handshake brigade tbh.
Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We dooo, we dooo
My grandfather was in the police and also a Mason, and that was like 50 years ago. I’m surprised it’s still an issue these days as I thought the Masons were dying out.
Tbh to me it always seemed like more of a drinking club (and a rather successful one, given the number of alcoholics) rather than some shadowy conspiracy to control the world though.
Ah so this is just saying if you’re a member of a hierarchial society that requires you to help other members then you need to declare it as part kf the police. This could be quite a wide band but it’s not releasing membership lists.
Surley large overlap between police and members of freemason?
I don’t know why people are so accepting of the Masons. I know plenty of Masons, and they brag about how they can get off traffic fines or out of arrests by saying a few cryptic words. And in the same breath they will tell how they are just a charitable organisation.
Everything they do flys in the face of understandings of fairplay and equal justice. It should frankly be illegal to be a member of the Masons in the police, legal services or public sector. Current members should be told to either leave the Masons or their profession if in one of these roles. And it should be a criminal offence to not declare membership if in these roles.
I mean on the one hand, the masons aren’t nearly as conspiratorial as most people think. They mostly just drink and attend functions. On the other hand, they are a secret society, their membership is secret, their decision making is secret, what they talk about is secret. Police offers should – rightly – be exposed to some scrutiny. If you’re going to be part of a secret society at the very least you ought to share it.
What’s that? You would like your PRIVACY?!?!?!?! HOW INTERESTING
I’ve been reading From Hell for the first time (it’s amazing) and this lot aren’t painted in the best light. They’re really letting themselves down here.
For anyone defending this lot, I have a few family members who are part of it. They tried to cover up one of the family who was a member being caught with child porn by his wife. This was done through threatening her with “trouble” from multiple angles (legal, police). Fortunately she’s a fighter. He’s in prison now. Divorce gone through. The others should be in with him for conspiracy, but they got away with it.
They put members before justice. Which is a problem when members are involved in justice.
From the people who demand your identity during every interaction!
For what it’s worth, police don’t need to reveal this information to everyone, just their internal vetting teams. The vetting teams then are not allowed to reveal that information elsewhere.
Its purpose is to be transparent should the police need to investigate or negotiate with Freemasons or like organisations or for promotion prospects.
Police are still allowed to become Freemasons and in a sense it’s normalising membership instead of making it appear corrupt and seedy
What on earth could they have to hide? I mean, it’s not as if they’re a secret brotherhood who occupy positions of power and who use their influence to enrich and unlawfully protect one anot…… oh, hang on a min 🙄
I’m surprised people are upset by police officers having to reveal if they are part of any cults, I mean clubs.
The Commissioner is saying the Freemason are guilty of something without bothering with the trouble of gathering evidence. As such it is discriminatory to that organisation and members.
To be truly transparent police officers should be required to register their membership of any organisation, society. club, charity, even their local allotment society.
Ive always wanted anonymous to get this list and release it. Good on the police for doing it instead.
What’s the crack with these guys, do they piss in each others pockets?
Freemasons have no right to place themselves above the law. We deserve to know that officers , judges etc are free from influence.
Same would apply to organisations like the buffaloes/R.A.O.B /buffs too
High profile member include George VI, the Duke of Edinburgh and go down in the society triangle from that scale.
It’s interesting how similar the masons are to the mafia.
You’ll probably find your local chapter on facebook. They have a very selective notion of “secrecy”.
The popular image of the masons comes from “The Brotherhood” by Stephen C Knight. If you want an estimate of his research rigour, he *also* wrote “[Jack The Ripper: The Final Solution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper:_The_Final_Solution)”, in which the Whitechappel murders were a plot to protect the public image of Queen Victoria.
Was this not done before about the 80s. When they tried to cut down corruption within the met.
If accusations against another group, let’s say Muslim or lgbt, or pro Palestine or reform supporting police would we demand the same transparency? I don’t have an answer, don’t know what the correct answer is, worth asking the question.