Let me guess – they’re going to use this as an excuse to further restrict access to the internet despite the fact anyone who owns a pc with an Nvidia RTX graphics card can run an AI training model completely offline with zero issues to create whatever images they want.
Do people honestly believe the likes of 4chan use online AI sites to generate their nudifications? Get real.
This is literally just going to be an excuse to further control access to the internet, when it simply needs to be a law outlawing the practice itself. I have zero trust in this government now after the OSA debacle.
Edit: just to make clear, I feel strongly that the ownership of these images should be heavily legislated and punished accordingly. However, it inevitably will be used as a way to further restrict access to the internet and control what is seen, said and used for *all* internet users. Its simply inevitable and irreversible.
Spamgrenade on
This will somehow invoke a furious reaction I’m sure
oncemorein2thebeach on
This will totally work. I foresee no problems implementing and enforcing this whatsoever.
WeRW2020 on
And exactly how are they going to police this? Vague as usual.
SlanderousIntent on
Ah another unenforceable ban, bet the police are delighted.
GetHimOffTheField on
Blows my mind people will complaint about this. Yes there are ways around it but we need to at least acknowledge this and do something. I don’t want to live in a world where any random person can legally create porn of the women in my life with no repercussions.
ArcticAlmond on
I’m so fucking sick of this creeping authoritarianism, nanny-state bullshit.
phild1979 on
Everything but tackle the actual cause of the increase of violence against women (who still aren’t the primary victims of crime)..
Groxy_ on
Can we get some more AI regulations already?? There’s so much AI masquerading as real people and/or spreading disinformation. AI companies should be forced to ingrain AI marking into everything it produces so companies can mark, track and block AI bullshit.
Front_Mention on
Just make it a criminal offence, wont need to ban it but anyone making/distributing it without consent would be arrested.
snowkingg on
I’m curious how they plan on wording this particular law, unless it’s extremely clear about exactly what they mean, this will just open a can or worms.
Photoshop can be used to create deep fakes, has done for years, and photoshop has AI tools inbuilt now, so will photoshop now be banned?
filbert94 on
AI needs control (even if just for the insane energy and environmental concerns for relatively fuck all gain)
The press release from government reads like they’re going to somehow ban AI but do sod all with social media companies, etc. Heard the AI minister trying to worm out of legit questions today when asked how enforceable this is and also if they expect all phones to have technology that scans what is onscreen.
AccomplishedAct5364 on
Just make harsh punishments for creation of this stuff..? For both the creator and AI developer who allows their AI to do that stuff.
Bring them into line by force
Adventurous_Cat_1559 on
Sure you can do this easily at home with consumer hardware, but you can also punch strangers on the street. Isn’t making it illegal required to properly prosecute for the offence?
Away-Activity-469 on
What is the connection between ‘AI nudiification’ and violence against women?
bulldog_blues on
A good step in the right direction. Nude deepfakes are a huge and growing problem, and while there will inevitably be loopholes around it for those sufficiently determined, anything which acknowledges it as a problem and reduces it even slightly is better than doing nothing.
mrlinkwii on
i mean how, since a good number of AI models can run locally on a machine vs a cloud environment
Busy_Medium4418 on
goons in the comments think this is some kind of affront to freedom, when it’s literally just AI regulation which everyone has been begging for.
michalzxc on
It is impossible to put that jinni back in the bottle, everyone can install software on their PC that can generate such videos.
The government is out of touch with technology, they just learned about VPNs after turning the internet into scammers paradise, forcing people to send their ID, to strangers on the internet. Now they will learn that you can install AI software on your own PC, and banning online “nudifing” services will make no difference, because all the realistic porn videos you can only generate on your own PC (the services they are banning are very simple, they are not very good at what they are doing, it is like taking your head and putting it into young Pamela Anderson body)
They don’t even have the technical ability to ban them (not based in the UK), they can only force people to use VPN to access them
Maybe I am missing something, but I would think sharing someone’s naked photos&videos without their consent is already illegal. And you can’t control what people are generating at home, if they are not sharing it with anyone
Imaginary_East7336 on
Overreach again, prosecute people who create this stuff and share it, unfortunately the court system is screwed so not possible, instead let’s ban any tool that has the possible capability of doing this.
xParesh on
I dont like how technologically illiterate MPs are dictating Britain digital future all while being sold snake oil and being told “but this will save the children” to American mega-corps who will be creating all the apps and obstactacle and selling government sanctioned data of their own citizens.
I do feel like that now Labour are in, a lot of big tech will charm and scare them into into building a 1984 future while these turkeys still represent us in Parliament
GLNemuri on
I thought it was already illegal under OSA, but I guess not.
I can’t understand why people are against this decision like AI nudification could never happen to them or their families – that’s just wishful thinking. It can happen to anybody across the world, and it would be horrifying to see someone created a naked image of you without consent, and publishing it online. That’s way too far. So I agree with this law. Protect everyone from this disgusting act.
conrat4567 on
Not a bad thing, but given the track record of these new laws, it will end up just restricting normal users and isolating us even further on the internet. We are already blacklisted from one of the largest image hosting websites, no one is paying the OFCOM fines and kids are using babies first VPN to get around all of it.
This government and the one before it, have no idea how the modern internet works, they have no idea how to actually tackle the problem, meanwhile, all the big companies that run these sites and contribute to the problem are not taking the UK government seriously because they let them pay less tax.
The government need to scrap all this, grow some balls and start pushing hard on the social media companies. Force them to pay taxes, raid the offices, make them enforce misinformation and CSAM laws.
If you want to “protect” kids, stop forcing them in to a corner with all the bad stuff on the internet.
callumjm95 on
Be interesting to see how this is handled. There are legitimate AI models that will also create NSFW content if you ask it to, especially if it’s ran locally. OpenAI are planning on officially supporting this at the start of next year, is the government going to ban ChatGPT?
InvincibleMirage on
This is making the UK look understandably ridiculous. Everyone is onboard with stopping violence. This is akin to someone drawing a picture, it’s not real.
Repulsive_Work_226 on
Also tackle those street voyeurs who take videos of women on the streets
lou-bricious on
I want to address the “people will just find a way around it” people here in a very weird and roundabout way.
With Sylvia Plath. Some of you may know she was a famous depressed writer and poet who killed herself by oven. Yes, oven. Back when she did it there were less regulations around gas ovens and cookers and gassing yourself in your oven was one of if not the highest form of suicide. So the government brought in new regulations that now means gassing yourself with your oven is incredibly hard. And guess what. Suicide rates in general fell.
What we find is that even with things people may be determined to do the harder it is the less likely they are to go through with it. Did people still kill themselves after Plath and the regulations brought in? Yes. But the numbers did drop.
Will this legislation stop everyone who wants to be a diabolical little pervert? No. Will it make it harder to do? Yes. Will that lower the overall number of people doing it? Yes.
Tackling these issues is good. It’s a good thing. Could it be better, yes, sure. But if you’re going to argue there’s no point in even trying because people will find a way then you might as well give up on everything.
JeffSergeant on
I think the line should be drawn a lot lower, with be rights to image ownership; people shouldn’t be sending others’ images to 3rd parties without consent at all, regardless of what you’re going to do with the output.
Accomplished_Pen5061 on
Okay but what if I have consent?
Not all AI image generation is non-consensual.
Astriania on
It’s going to be pretty hard to enforce but I do think this is a good idea. I know those nudie images aren’t really of me or you, but they are still harmful, and there’s essentially no legitimate use for this tech.
Kind-County9767 on
Surely this is already illegal? How exactly do they actually propose “banning” it? Seems like performative waste of time at best, and yet another poorly thought out tech law by people who have no idea what they’re talking about which will require yet more spying on regular folk at worst.
TheStigianKing on
Deepfake images of real people and celebrities are a problem, but not one that should be legislated against, unless the images are used to coerce the subject.
On the other hand, this has nothing to do with VAWG. Creating images is not violence. I’m sick to death of idiots stretching the definition of words to create ever more reasons to limit British people’s freedoms.
One-Cod-5049 on
How long will it take the UK government to realise that they can’t control the WORLD WIDE web.
N00BAL0T on
I’m all for getting rid of AI but I don’t trust our government to do it right.
Haliucinogenas1 on
What if a person is good at drawing and can just hand draw naked people? Should we ban art?
Dystopian_Everyday on
Can we reverse technology please? I’ll go back to dial up because the future is looking grim
Crypt0Nihilist on
It shouldn’t be illegal because no harm is done in the production of the image. What should be illegal is the communication of the image if the intent is to defame or cause distress – which is already covered by law.
We shouldn’t criminalise things we find distasteful, only what causes harm.
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Let me guess – they’re going to use this as an excuse to further restrict access to the internet despite the fact anyone who owns a pc with an Nvidia RTX graphics card can run an AI training model completely offline with zero issues to create whatever images they want.
Do people honestly believe the likes of 4chan use online AI sites to generate their nudifications? Get real.
This is literally just going to be an excuse to further control access to the internet, when it simply needs to be a law outlawing the practice itself. I have zero trust in this government now after the OSA debacle.
Edit: just to make clear, I feel strongly that the ownership of these images should be heavily legislated and punished accordingly. However, it inevitably will be used as a way to further restrict access to the internet and control what is seen, said and used for *all* internet users. Its simply inevitable and irreversible.
This will somehow invoke a furious reaction I’m sure
This will totally work. I foresee no problems implementing and enforcing this whatsoever.
And exactly how are they going to police this? Vague as usual.
Ah another unenforceable ban, bet the police are delighted.
Blows my mind people will complaint about this. Yes there are ways around it but we need to at least acknowledge this and do something. I don’t want to live in a world where any random person can legally create porn of the women in my life with no repercussions.
I’m so fucking sick of this creeping authoritarianism, nanny-state bullshit.
Everything but tackle the actual cause of the increase of violence against women (who still aren’t the primary victims of crime)..
Can we get some more AI regulations already?? There’s so much AI masquerading as real people and/or spreading disinformation. AI companies should be forced to ingrain AI marking into everything it produces so companies can mark, track and block AI bullshit.
Just make it a criminal offence, wont need to ban it but anyone making/distributing it without consent would be arrested.
I’m curious how they plan on wording this particular law, unless it’s extremely clear about exactly what they mean, this will just open a can or worms.
Photoshop can be used to create deep fakes, has done for years, and photoshop has AI tools inbuilt now, so will photoshop now be banned?
AI needs control (even if just for the insane energy and environmental concerns for relatively fuck all gain)
The press release from government reads like they’re going to somehow ban AI but do sod all with social media companies, etc. Heard the AI minister trying to worm out of legit questions today when asked how enforceable this is and also if they expect all phones to have technology that scans what is onscreen.
Just make harsh punishments for creation of this stuff..? For both the creator and AI developer who allows their AI to do that stuff.
Bring them into line by force
Sure you can do this easily at home with consumer hardware, but you can also punch strangers on the street. Isn’t making it illegal required to properly prosecute for the offence?
What is the connection between ‘AI nudiification’ and violence against women?
A good step in the right direction. Nude deepfakes are a huge and growing problem, and while there will inevitably be loopholes around it for those sufficiently determined, anything which acknowledges it as a problem and reduces it even slightly is better than doing nothing.
i mean how, since a good number of AI models can run locally on a machine vs a cloud environment
goons in the comments think this is some kind of affront to freedom, when it’s literally just AI regulation which everyone has been begging for.
It is impossible to put that jinni back in the bottle, everyone can install software on their PC that can generate such videos.
The government is out of touch with technology, they just learned about VPNs after turning the internet into scammers paradise, forcing people to send their ID, to strangers on the internet. Now they will learn that you can install AI software on your own PC, and banning online “nudifing” services will make no difference, because all the realistic porn videos you can only generate on your own PC (the services they are banning are very simple, they are not very good at what they are doing, it is like taking your head and putting it into young Pamela Anderson body)
They don’t even have the technical ability to ban them (not based in the UK), they can only force people to use VPN to access them
Maybe I am missing something, but I would think sharing someone’s naked photos&videos without their consent is already illegal. And you can’t control what people are generating at home, if they are not sharing it with anyone
Overreach again, prosecute people who create this stuff and share it, unfortunately the court system is screwed so not possible, instead let’s ban any tool that has the possible capability of doing this.
I dont like how technologically illiterate MPs are dictating Britain digital future all while being sold snake oil and being told “but this will save the children” to American mega-corps who will be creating all the apps and obstactacle and selling government sanctioned data of their own citizens.
I do feel like that now Labour are in, a lot of big tech will charm and scare them into into building a 1984 future while these turkeys still represent us in Parliament
I thought it was already illegal under OSA, but I guess not.
I can’t understand why people are against this decision like AI nudification could never happen to them or their families – that’s just wishful thinking. It can happen to anybody across the world, and it would be horrifying to see someone created a naked image of you without consent, and publishing it online. That’s way too far. So I agree with this law. Protect everyone from this disgusting act.
Not a bad thing, but given the track record of these new laws, it will end up just restricting normal users and isolating us even further on the internet. We are already blacklisted from one of the largest image hosting websites, no one is paying the OFCOM fines and kids are using babies first VPN to get around all of it.
This government and the one before it, have no idea how the modern internet works, they have no idea how to actually tackle the problem, meanwhile, all the big companies that run these sites and contribute to the problem are not taking the UK government seriously because they let them pay less tax.
The government need to scrap all this, grow some balls and start pushing hard on the social media companies. Force them to pay taxes, raid the offices, make them enforce misinformation and CSAM laws.
If you want to “protect” kids, stop forcing them in to a corner with all the bad stuff on the internet.
Be interesting to see how this is handled. There are legitimate AI models that will also create NSFW content if you ask it to, especially if it’s ran locally. OpenAI are planning on officially supporting this at the start of next year, is the government going to ban ChatGPT?
This is making the UK look understandably ridiculous. Everyone is onboard with stopping violence. This is akin to someone drawing a picture, it’s not real.
Also tackle those street voyeurs who take videos of women on the streets
I want to address the “people will just find a way around it” people here in a very weird and roundabout way.
With Sylvia Plath. Some of you may know she was a famous depressed writer and poet who killed herself by oven. Yes, oven. Back when she did it there were less regulations around gas ovens and cookers and gassing yourself in your oven was one of if not the highest form of suicide. So the government brought in new regulations that now means gassing yourself with your oven is incredibly hard. And guess what. Suicide rates in general fell.
What we find is that even with things people may be determined to do the harder it is the less likely they are to go through with it. Did people still kill themselves after Plath and the regulations brought in? Yes. But the numbers did drop.
Will this legislation stop everyone who wants to be a diabolical little pervert? No. Will it make it harder to do? Yes. Will that lower the overall number of people doing it? Yes.
Tackling these issues is good. It’s a good thing. Could it be better, yes, sure. But if you’re going to argue there’s no point in even trying because people will find a way then you might as well give up on everything.
I think the line should be drawn a lot lower, with be rights to image ownership; people shouldn’t be sending others’ images to 3rd parties without consent at all, regardless of what you’re going to do with the output.
Okay but what if I have consent?
Not all AI image generation is non-consensual.
It’s going to be pretty hard to enforce but I do think this is a good idea. I know those nudie images aren’t really of me or you, but they are still harmful, and there’s essentially no legitimate use for this tech.
Surely this is already illegal? How exactly do they actually propose “banning” it? Seems like performative waste of time at best, and yet another poorly thought out tech law by people who have no idea what they’re talking about which will require yet more spying on regular folk at worst.
Deepfake images of real people and celebrities are a problem, but not one that should be legislated against, unless the images are used to coerce the subject.
On the other hand, this has nothing to do with VAWG. Creating images is not violence. I’m sick to death of idiots stretching the definition of words to create ever more reasons to limit British people’s freedoms.
How long will it take the UK government to realise that they can’t control the WORLD WIDE web.
I’m all for getting rid of AI but I don’t trust our government to do it right.
What if a person is good at drawing and can just hand draw naked people? Should we ban art?
Can we reverse technology please? I’ll go back to dial up because the future is looking grim
It shouldn’t be illegal because no harm is done in the production of the image. What should be illegal is the communication of the image if the intent is to defame or cause distress – which is already covered by law.
We shouldn’t criminalise things we find distasteful, only what causes harm.