built on 260 billion of euro funding and they STILL want 23% vat on energy bills, 9% zus and 32% pit, with vat bills too, NFZ is fucked, the złoty is worthless outside the border but yeah, its going great
sipso3 on
Valve knew that for years! Steam prices for Poland are now higher than EUR not to mention USD. Polish Mountain!!! /s
Big_Departure3049 on
yeah economy booms because they are feeding on EU money, what a shocker
edparadox on
Apples and oranges.
AdminEating_Dragon on
I swear I see this type of articles about Poland in this sub 10 times the frequency I see them about any other country.
Are the Poles so desperate to constantly shout to the world “look how great we’re doing, we deserve to sit with the big boys”?
VigorousElk on
Some EU countries need a friendly reminder that upon accession they agreed to (and are legally required to) join the Euro.
This isn’t optional, and yet countries like Poland and Sweden pretend it is and show no signs of moving towards Euro adoption.
p_pio on
Tbf. going for euro now would result in long term inflation pressure as Poland got one of the most lopsided PPP in all of the world. Polish GDP pc in 2024 was 18K USD, while PPP was 45K. That means that price disparity accounted for 2.5 GDP. For comparision Germany got it at 44K and 63K respectievly, so at 1.4.
Until zloty apreciate to account for this getting euro would be a risk.
That being said: comparing with Slovakia Poland got 1.7 point higher yield on bonds. As their overall financial and economic performance is comparable (or rather: Polish is better) we can assume that it’s due to percieved currency risk.
Which means that aside of other potential gains, e.g. in trade, not having euro cost Poland over 30B PLN annualy just on interest payments.
BergderZwerg on
That does mean they graduate from being one of the biggest takers of EU money to actually contributing more than they take, right? I mean if their economy is booming so much, also thanks to the EU basically funding/ supporting everything, then it’s time for them to contribute to the next country’s rise to the top.
July_is_cool on
Balkanization of everything
Lofteed on
get paid in euro and spend them in zloty
economic genius at work /s
Elmalab on
TIL that Poland doesn’t have the Euro!?? wtf?
always thought they had. no idea why.
Deathchariot on
Why would that be a reason against the Euro though? A strong economy is a good basis for Euro adoption. Weak economies might struggle when adopting the Euro because they can’t devalue their currency to boost exports. So naturally Poland should strive to adopt the Euro ASAP if their economy is that strong 🙂
Cool-Particular-4159 on
I like to think that being in the ‘top tier’ includes joining the biggest currency union in the world, which also represents the pinnacle of a successful history of European integration.
Of course, retaining the złoty may still be economically prudent for now to keep exports cheap and so on, but later on? I think adopting the euro would be the best long-term move.
No rush, but eventual commitment would be great.
HunterThin870 on
Great since Poland is doing so well, they no longer need the support money from EU.
Roxven89 on
Even if we would like to and need to join. We simply cannot because we are not fulfilling strict criteria.
TheMyzzler on
So when are they reimbursing the EU for the billions they’ve leeched off us in the last 3 decades?
InnerYouth3171 on
Seeing this as Im preparing to go to Poland and exchange euros into zloty
DefInnit on
Top tier getter of EU funds for the longest time. Toppest of them all.
Gamebyter on
There are few virtues the Poles do not possess—and there are few mistakes they have ever avoided – Winston Churchill
hmtk1976 on
Some Poles claim their country should step up and be a leading EU member. Guess not.
Equal_Passenger_5609 on
Poland acts like Poland . Stupid , populistic and profiting one way from EU
Otsde-St-9929 on
Fair play to them. This is good. Screw the Euro. It has undermined European industry
Aeon_Return on
*fistbump in Czech* My man!
talinseven on
How does that work for electronic payments when you travel to a member state that doesn’t use the euro? Does your bank charge you fees or just convert based on the exchange rate?
Kryptus on
Good job Poland!
jkurratt on
I don’t know why, but apparently Poland can get some profit from separate currency 🤷🏿
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built on 260 billion of euro funding and they STILL want 23% vat on energy bills, 9% zus and 32% pit, with vat bills too, NFZ is fucked, the złoty is worthless outside the border but yeah, its going great
Valve knew that for years! Steam prices for Poland are now higher than EUR not to mention USD. Polish Mountain!!! /s
yeah economy booms because they are feeding on EU money, what a shocker
Apples and oranges.
I swear I see this type of articles about Poland in this sub 10 times the frequency I see them about any other country.
Are the Poles so desperate to constantly shout to the world “look how great we’re doing, we deserve to sit with the big boys”?
Some EU countries need a friendly reminder that upon accession they agreed to (and are legally required to) join the Euro.
This isn’t optional, and yet countries like Poland and Sweden pretend it is and show no signs of moving towards Euro adoption.
Tbf. going for euro now would result in long term inflation pressure as Poland got one of the most lopsided PPP in all of the world. Polish GDP pc in 2024 was 18K USD, while PPP was 45K. That means that price disparity accounted for 2.5 GDP. For comparision Germany got it at 44K and 63K respectievly, so at 1.4.
Until zloty apreciate to account for this getting euro would be a risk.
That being said: comparing with Slovakia Poland got 1.7 point higher yield on bonds. As their overall financial and economic performance is comparable (or rather: Polish is better) we can assume that it’s due to percieved currency risk.
Which means that aside of other potential gains, e.g. in trade, not having euro cost Poland over 30B PLN annualy just on interest payments.
That does mean they graduate from being one of the biggest takers of EU money to actually contributing more than they take, right? I mean if their economy is booming so much, also thanks to the EU basically funding/ supporting everything, then it’s time for them to contribute to the next country’s rise to the top.
Balkanization of everything
get paid in euro and spend them in zloty
economic genius at work /s
TIL that Poland doesn’t have the Euro!?? wtf?
always thought they had. no idea why.
Why would that be a reason against the Euro though? A strong economy is a good basis for Euro adoption. Weak economies might struggle when adopting the Euro because they can’t devalue their currency to boost exports. So naturally Poland should strive to adopt the Euro ASAP if their economy is that strong 🙂
I like to think that being in the ‘top tier’ includes joining the biggest currency union in the world, which also represents the pinnacle of a successful history of European integration.
Of course, retaining the złoty may still be economically prudent for now to keep exports cheap and so on, but later on? I think adopting the euro would be the best long-term move.
No rush, but eventual commitment would be great.
Great since Poland is doing so well, they no longer need the support money from EU.
Even if we would like to and need to join. We simply cannot because we are not fulfilling strict criteria.
So when are they reimbursing the EU for the billions they’ve leeched off us in the last 3 decades?
Seeing this as Im preparing to go to Poland and exchange euros into zloty
Top tier getter of EU funds for the longest time. Toppest of them all.
There are few virtues the Poles do not possess—and there are few mistakes they have ever avoided – Winston Churchill
Some Poles claim their country should step up and be a leading EU member. Guess not.
Poland acts like Poland . Stupid , populistic and profiting one way from EU
Fair play to them. This is good. Screw the Euro. It has undermined European industry
*fistbump in Czech* My man!
How does that work for electronic payments when you travel to a member state that doesn’t use the euro? Does your bank charge you fees or just convert based on the exchange rate?
Good job Poland!
I don’t know why, but apparently Poland can get some profit from separate currency 🤷🏿