Not much beyond the title in the Daily Mail article. The only relevant bit IMO is the below from the ACTU:
> Peak union group the ACTU has also called for the CGT discount to be wound back from 50 per cent to 25 per cent.
> ACTU president Michele O’Neil said reforming the discount was critical to tackling Australia’s housing crisis, alongside limiting negative gearing to a single investment property.
> ‘Both these changes should apply to new housing investments, leaving the existing CGT discount and negative gearing arrangements in place for up to five years before being phased out, giving people time to adjust,’ she said.
Seems similar to what they’ve pushed for in the past, so may be a look into what we’ll see from Lab.
Also sorry for the Daily Mail article. The AFR article is pay walled (and was blocked here anyway) and the only other source I saw was Sky News.
Yep, gotta go after things that are fairer for the average Australian. Too much transfer of wealth happening right now from poor to rich. Of course, would prefer to see it come from large companies first, but this, and especially negative gearing, should be reformed for the modern economy.
GrugsCrack on
Please! Just fucking do it already!
DropEight on
Honestly it’s now or never, whilst the opposition is in shambles and with control over the seats labor needs swing the axe.
tsvjus on
CGT at 30% is about right. It is the discount that is the problem.
From memory, Keating brought it in, as he rightly pointed out making money from capital was not considered income, creating inequality in our taxation.
Jonny Howard, cut the CGT to 15% if you owned the asset for more than a year.
Taxation at 30% is roughly in line with income tax. 15% is not.
Now the last point is that CGT isn’t about housing, it should be about all assets bought and sold for profits. CGT applies to my share trades. Rightfully.
Chiron17 on
This is the perfect opportunity for wholesale tax reform. You’ve got a big majority, the opposition is fractured, Labor is now seen as the better economic manager (52 v 48, but still…), and the only real threat you face is from the populist right who feels like the current system is kicking them in the teeth (which it is).
So if not now, then never.
My money is on never.
Otherwise_Hotel_7363 on
He’s keen to do it, he mentions it all the time. Might be a way to deflect from interest rate rises, but, fuck, I hope he does something about it.
xRicharizard on
“We are not going to be joining with Jim Chalmers on trying to ping Australians for more money because he can’t stop his spending spree.” – Ted O’Brien.
Why do opposition politicians always frame it like this? What is spending so frowned upon? Governments should spend. Governments should spend on services and infrastructure. That’s why we pay tax.
Erosion of the tax base has the same impact as spending too much, and it’s even worse because it justifies spending even less on those essential services in the future.
Howard should never have introduced the discount in the first place. It doesn’t make any sense to arbitrarily discount a profit merely because it’s on capital account as opposed to revenue.
Aware_Shirt on
Every few years the same debate kicks up. Nothing ever happens. This happened a few years ago and it’s back. I doubt this Government has the guts to do this.
seraph321 on
And I continue to be confused about whether or not the average person even understands that the CGT discount is for ALL asset classes, not just real estate. We already have CGT above most first world countries WITH the discount! How the hell are you supposed to build any kind of wealth if you need to pay high income tax, invest what’s left over, and then pay super high tax again when you actually want to use the proceeds of your investments (in stocks, bitcoin, gold, etc)? If they want to carve out an except for multiple investment properties, or capital gains over certain super high thresholds, ok, but can we NOT fuck over the average investor in the process?
OldManThumbs on
30 years late but it’s a start
AquilaAudaxWTE on
There needs to be a total tax reform looking at everything with no exceptions. Problem is no political party will do it because its a great idea but a vote loser.
yolk3d on
And negative gearing? Tying a business to personal income?
NeonsTheory on
Makes sense if they just do this for property – which apparently they intend to
Imaginary_Newspaper3 on
Would rather focus on making money from our finite resources and creating a sovereign wealth fund
NeonsTheory on
While we’re at it, owner occupier shouldn’t be at 0%
firecall on
We need to be able to tax corporations.
Billions of dollars is sent overseas to parent companies as license fees and so on, all to avoid paying local taxes.
Tax Google, Apple, Amazon and all the others.
Not surprising they get away with it when the likes of PWC are illegally giving clients a heads up on proposed government changes to the tax code! :-/
kezdog92 on
No way they will axe or modify something they directly benefit from.
Dancingbeavers on
What about negative gearing?
goldlasagna84 on
but….but….this is not what they promised during last election under Albanese.
Quick_Assignment_725 on
The boomers are starting to be outnumbered by voting age lifetime renters.
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Not much beyond the title in the Daily Mail article. The only relevant bit IMO is the below from the ACTU:
> Peak union group the ACTU has also called for the CGT discount to be wound back from 50 per cent to 25 per cent.
> ACTU president Michele O’Neil said reforming the discount was critical to tackling Australia’s housing crisis, alongside limiting negative gearing to a single investment property.
> ‘Both these changes should apply to new housing investments, leaving the existing CGT discount and negative gearing arrangements in place for up to five years before being phased out, giving people time to adjust,’ she said.
Seems similar to what they’ve pushed for in the past, so may be a look into what we’ll see from Lab.
Also sorry for the Daily Mail article. The AFR article is pay walled (and was blocked here anyway) and the only other source I saw was Sky News.
AFR article/Primary source: https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/changes-to-cgt-discount-under-consideration-as-reform-budget-looms-20260203-p5nz1a
ill believe it when i see it
Yep, gotta go after things that are fairer for the average Australian. Too much transfer of wealth happening right now from poor to rich. Of course, would prefer to see it come from large companies first, but this, and especially negative gearing, should be reformed for the modern economy.
Please! Just fucking do it already!
Honestly it’s now or never, whilst the opposition is in shambles and with control over the seats labor needs swing the axe.
CGT at 30% is about right. It is the discount that is the problem.
From memory, Keating brought it in, as he rightly pointed out making money from capital was not considered income, creating inequality in our taxation.
Jonny Howard, cut the CGT to 15% if you owned the asset for more than a year.
Taxation at 30% is roughly in line with income tax. 15% is not.
Now the last point is that CGT isn’t about housing, it should be about all assets bought and sold for profits. CGT applies to my share trades. Rightfully.
This is the perfect opportunity for wholesale tax reform. You’ve got a big majority, the opposition is fractured, Labor is now seen as the better economic manager (52 v 48, but still…), and the only real threat you face is from the populist right who feels like the current system is kicking them in the teeth (which it is).
So if not now, then never.
My money is on never.
He’s keen to do it, he mentions it all the time. Might be a way to deflect from interest rate rises, but, fuck, I hope he does something about it.
“We are not going to be joining with Jim Chalmers on trying to ping Australians for more money because he can’t stop his spending spree.” – Ted O’Brien.
Why do opposition politicians always frame it like this? What is spending so frowned upon? Governments should spend. Governments should spend on services and infrastructure. That’s why we pay tax.
Erosion of the tax base has the same impact as spending too much, and it’s even worse because it justifies spending even less on those essential services in the future.
Howard should never have introduced the discount in the first place. It doesn’t make any sense to arbitrarily discount a profit merely because it’s on capital account as opposed to revenue.
Every few years the same debate kicks up. Nothing ever happens. This happened a few years ago and it’s back. I doubt this Government has the guts to do this.
And I continue to be confused about whether or not the average person even understands that the CGT discount is for ALL asset classes, not just real estate. We already have CGT above most first world countries WITH the discount! How the hell are you supposed to build any kind of wealth if you need to pay high income tax, invest what’s left over, and then pay super high tax again when you actually want to use the proceeds of your investments (in stocks, bitcoin, gold, etc)? If they want to carve out an except for multiple investment properties, or capital gains over certain super high thresholds, ok, but can we NOT fuck over the average investor in the process?
30 years late but it’s a start
There needs to be a total tax reform looking at everything with no exceptions. Problem is no political party will do it because its a great idea but a vote loser.
And negative gearing? Tying a business to personal income?
Makes sense if they just do this for property – which apparently they intend to
Would rather focus on making money from our finite resources and creating a sovereign wealth fund
While we’re at it, owner occupier shouldn’t be at 0%
We need to be able to tax corporations.
Billions of dollars is sent overseas to parent companies as license fees and so on, all to avoid paying local taxes.
Tax Google, Apple, Amazon and all the others.
Not surprising they get away with it when the likes of PWC are illegally giving clients a heads up on proposed government changes to the tax code! :-/
No way they will axe or modify something they directly benefit from.
What about negative gearing?
but….but….this is not what they promised during last election under Albanese.
The boomers are starting to be outnumbered by voting age lifetime renters.