No i jak tu lubieć Ukraine i Ukraińców?! Jak tu ich wspierać skoro oni sa wobec nas tak nienawistni?! Chca wejsc do UE z narodowym kultem faszystów?!
Precz z bandera! Precz z upa!
A ten ukro polityk to powinien byc persona non grata.
KralizecProphet on
>the Volhynia tragedy is one of Poland’s state myths
there is also no war in Ukraine, just a special military operation of Russia reclaiming their historic lands.
Late-Preparation5384 on
The problem with Volhynia is that the only healthy feelings the UPA should have evoked were those of revulsion and retching. Those bastards even murdered Ukrainians, and Ukrainian women because they married Poles, and they mainly murdered those who wanted Polish-Ukrainian understanding. They didn’t touch anti-Ukrainian Poles because they only wanted ethnic conflict.
Menningo on
I met Ukrainian and they are so different from my stand point I was shocked. I am not criticizing, but realising. In the Polish view point Ukrainians should think like Poles. That is why such statements like this we treat as huge disgrace and dishonour while for Ukrainians it is just using history for current politics
DmitroZa on
Thankfully ordinary Ukrainians in their mass neither share this point of view towards this tragedy nor support the head of the institution. The Ukrainian public was pushing politicians for more than a decade already, including institutionalised efforts, to acknowledge the role of UPA in massacres, to exhumate known mass burials and conduct necessary research (finally this part started last year and first mass graves were jointly opened and investigated) and finally come to terms with Polish side on that dark spot of the history.
krzywaLagaMikolaja on
> Poland criticises head of Ukrainian state history institute for downplaying WWII massacres
Not ‘Poland’ but the IPN
-hassium- on
Well, whatever. I realized a long time ago that it’s better to hang yourself than to prove something. I used to write essays how much I’m sorry for my country’s people’s actions, but it starts to seem to me now that you just want to proceed making it look like the majority of ukrainians unaware of the massacre/support it, and to close your eyes to own history. We are in a precarious position, so we are very convenient. Don’t blame you tho, always wanted bandera at the state level to stop being considered a hero, but it seems to me now you don’t want justice, you want to create an enemy.
Dur_Gwana on
>“for most Ukrainians, this is just a local episode of history, because it was only in Volhynia
oh only in Volhynia guys, nothing to worry about.
Jazzlike_Painter_118 on
Who in Poland said this? Not the current government right?
tepes_creature_8888 on
Yeahhhh, I’m just wondering why my people are so keen on trying to forget this story or undervalue it…
Yeah, our nation has committed a crime. The best way to deal with it is to learn about it and help Poland in recovering details about the event and help with exhumations.
How does saying this shit help? What are we hoping to achieve with that… It’s so irrational that I can’t even understand how would a person come to thinking we can just forget that history and it’ll we fine…
Lumpy_Asparagus_5151 on
Germans have the best attitude towards ww2. They denied nothing, acknowledged all the crimes they comitted, paid reparations (where required) and asked for forgiveness on multiple occasions. And the true is the world is mostly forgive them and forgot about all of it.
Denial, downplaying any war atrocities will never make the things to just go away, people will keep talking about it for decades
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No i jak tu lubieć Ukraine i Ukraińców?! Jak tu ich wspierać skoro oni sa wobec nas tak nienawistni?! Chca wejsc do UE z narodowym kultem faszystów?!
Precz z bandera! Precz z upa!
A ten ukro polityk to powinien byc persona non grata.
>the Volhynia tragedy is one of Poland’s state myths
there is also no war in Ukraine, just a special military operation of Russia reclaiming their historic lands.
The problem with Volhynia is that the only healthy feelings the UPA should have evoked were those of revulsion and retching. Those bastards even murdered Ukrainians, and Ukrainian women because they married Poles, and they mainly murdered those who wanted Polish-Ukrainian understanding. They didn’t touch anti-Ukrainian Poles because they only wanted ethnic conflict.
I met Ukrainian and they are so different from my stand point I was shocked. I am not criticizing, but realising. In the Polish view point Ukrainians should think like Poles. That is why such statements like this we treat as huge disgrace and dishonour while for Ukrainians it is just using history for current politics
Thankfully ordinary Ukrainians in their mass neither share this point of view towards this tragedy nor support the head of the institution. The Ukrainian public was pushing politicians for more than a decade already, including institutionalised efforts, to acknowledge the role of UPA in massacres, to exhumate known mass burials and conduct necessary research (finally this part started last year and first mass graves were jointly opened and investigated) and finally come to terms with Polish side on that dark spot of the history.
> Poland criticises head of Ukrainian state history institute for downplaying WWII massacres
Not ‘Poland’ but the IPN
Well, whatever. I realized a long time ago that it’s better to hang yourself than to prove something. I used to write essays how much I’m sorry for my country’s people’s actions, but it starts to seem to me now that you just want to proceed making it look like the majority of ukrainians unaware of the massacre/support it, and to close your eyes to own history. We are in a precarious position, so we are very convenient. Don’t blame you tho, always wanted bandera at the state level to stop being considered a hero, but it seems to me now you don’t want justice, you want to create an enemy.
>“for most Ukrainians, this is just a local episode of history, because it was only in Volhynia
oh only in Volhynia guys, nothing to worry about.
Who in Poland said this? Not the current government right?
Yeahhhh, I’m just wondering why my people are so keen on trying to forget this story or undervalue it…
Yeah, our nation has committed a crime. The best way to deal with it is to learn about it and help Poland in recovering details about the event and help with exhumations.
How does saying this shit help? What are we hoping to achieve with that… It’s so irrational that I can’t even understand how would a person come to thinking we can just forget that history and it’ll we fine…
Germans have the best attitude towards ww2. They denied nothing, acknowledged all the crimes they comitted, paid reparations (where required) and asked for forgiveness on multiple occasions. And the true is the world is mostly forgive them and forgot about all of it.
Denial, downplaying any war atrocities will never make the things to just go away, people will keep talking about it for decades