The poor bloke, also How hard would it be to cut one word if it bothered em that much?
some people really are over sensitive cunts
rhythmau on
The show isn’t even filmed live so this could’ve easily been avoided.
Absolutely shameful from the BBC and I feel awful for the people on stage and the person with Tourette’s who said it
I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS on
Oh no! That’s going to disappoint literally dozens of people.
DukeSunday on
First off, obviously not the fault of the poor guy with tourettes.
Frankly astonishingly bad editing though. It’s not live iirc, and they edited out multiple political statements but just… chose to leave this in? Bizarre decision making.
icantbearsed on
I think they simply replaced the full version with an edited one, it wasn’t removed & is certainly there now.
LycanIndarys on
Really feel that the BBC can’t win, whatever they do with this.
* If they leave it as aired, then they’re subjecting black people who want to watch it to racial abuse. And many will see the BBC as condoning it, or not appreciating how offensive it was.
* If they edit it out, or remove the programme entirely, then they’re effectively pretending that a disabled person doesn’t exist. That would be bad in any situation, but it’s *particularly* offensive for an awards ceremony that includes a film about this person’s life, and about getting people to accept his disability. The BBC is obviously quite big on being inclusive, and part of that message is not removing disabled people from view when they do something that they have no control over.
There’s no right answer here, beyond hoping that we can all be a bit compassionate to everyone involved.
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Aggravating_Cow7606 on
it’s obvious that the bbc should have edited it out of the original. leaving in the swearing is fine, but racial slurs are obviously extremely offensive and shouldn’t have been kept in.
also, pardon my ignorance but i’ve seen a lot of people saying that “black people are always meant to take racism on the chin”. assuming he’s apologised to the two presenters, is this not something that just has to be taken on the chin? what is the alternative, realistically, considering (i assume) he’s not *actually* racist, so he can’t be educated or punished? yes it’s hurtful and upsetting but it’s not like anything can be done about it?
thirdly, a lot of americans are calling for a public apology. why? surely a private apology is good enough. what does a public apology do apart from make the general public feel good? the BBC should be making the public apology for not cutting it out.
Party-Dig2309 on
I don’t see why there’s so much uproar about this. It was fucking obviously not meant with any malice or intention and neither actor who heard it acknowledged it and kept the show moving.
Not saying it wouldn’t have been hurtful to the actors but they probably moved on from it by the time they went back to their hotels. As usual it’s the public and media whipping it up to be an ‘event’. 🙄
PornFilterRefugee on
Yikes. That’s unfortunate for the poor bloke and Delroy Lindo and Michael B Jordan who must have been incredibly uncomfortable
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Mepsi on
Wendal Pierce who was on The Wire says:
> “The insult to them takes priority. It doesn’t matter the reasoning for the racist slur.”
It should when the reason is known otherwise it’s just ableism. You aren’t entitled to feel insulted by the presence of disabled people.
Smelly-Bottom on
Jamie Foxx is a moron. The damage people are doing to the cause of inclusion and representation is baffling. A lot of people openly showing if its not a black cause its not a cause they care about.
What was a humiliating experience for 3 people has been turned into an even greater spectacle by the BBC.
Inevitable_Driver291 on
Ironic really. I would presume the point of the film is to engender understanding about the difficulty of living with the condition. However, there’s a hierarchy of social oppression and black is above disabled for many it would appear. It’s artistic almost, his life experience repeats, for the world to see.
NegativeCreeq on
Humans really like to blow shit out of proportion. Theres way more important things going on in the world.
Feeling_Zucchini_886 on
This hacks me off. The whole point of the excellent award winning film was to highlight how this poor guys life has been blighted by a lack of awareness of his condition, and associated bad reactions.
In an audience celebrating the success of the depiction the sufferer is then lambasted by the professionally offended for his “slur”
You can only hope that people learn from this media storm
TheRetardedGoat on
Isn’t this discrimination towards someone with tourettes
shizola_owns on
Editing out Free Palestine but keeping racial slurs is a little on the nose, even for the BBC.
SnaggleFish on
Surely there needs to be *intent* to cause offence or incite racism?
Chad_Apache on
I wonder if he has seen any movies with say, Samuel L Jackson going full tilt?….and thats ok right?…right?
Thenedslittlegirl on
I’m worried for John Davidson today because I think he’s quite vulnerable and I imagine he feels awful. I really feel for Jordan and Lindo too. The BBC should have protected everyone by not airing it
Disastrous-Angle-591 on
WTF the WHOLE thing? Because one guy who has Tourette’s?
DornPTSDkink on
The Americans on Twitter are showing how thick they are
jab305 on
Ah, the weekly story the allows the BBC to self flagellate over some minor occurrence whilst the rest of the media sticks their boot in…
Literally who cares if some producer didn’t catch it in real time.
bigonebitey99 on
Interesting that the sub that constantly rails against PIP suddenly cares about disabled people when they say a racial slur
Due-Resort-2699 on
Almost all the people shitting on him are Americans . Have they never heard of Tourette’s over there or something?
The reaction to this is kind of the whole point of the film in the first place – ignorance of the condition is what wrecked much of this guys life. He is trying to educate people on it .
PulsatingBalloonKnot on
Ah, the Pearl Clutchers yet again, with all the resilience of my shit when I’ve overdone the real ale.
How weak people must be to consistently take offence when there was no intent for it to be given.
Pathetic.
Northwindlowlander on
Missing a great chance to actually educate a bit here and help people with tourettes and similiar conditions, and that’s something that a lot of people already basically grasp and are tolerant of.
BBC seems to love to eat shit over things like this and actively make it worse- I heard this reported on the radio today as being said by “a tourettes campaigner” as if it were some deliberate choice rather than “someone with tourettes”.
Necrodancer90 on
I do find the comments funny. Why shouldn’t they find the word offensive? Just because he doesn’t mean doesn’t make it less hurtful. The word he said has a heavy weight to it, and something that is still prevalent now.
Substantial-Lawyer91 on
A few things here:
1.) Almost nobody is upset at this guy for his disability or what unfortunate word he shouted out in the heat of the moment. This includes Jordan and Lindo who handled the situation with remarkable grace.
2.) What people do have an issue with is the BBC’s editing of this. They had time to edit out ‘Free Palestine’ but not an actual racial slur? You could’ve kept Cumming’s apology in it wouldn’t have looked weird at all and everybody would’ve understood. Editing out the n word is not about helping Lindo or Jordan or the gentleman with the disability – it’s about saving the sensibilities of any black people watching the show who don’t want to be exposed to a cruel historical reminder (and let’s be honest present day reminder) of the prejudice they face during a moment of celebration for their community. That reasoning is the *exact* same thought process for cutting out ‘free Palestine’ and its effect on the Jewish people. The fact that the Jewish community got that consideration but the black community did not is very telling and quite frankly racist in itself.
3.) There are many (presumably) British people on this sub saying that it was just a word and with no intent behind it it’s no big deal. This is deeply false. To put it in context Jordan’s parents lived in a time before the civil rights movement. Lindo was 12 when desegregation happened and voting rights (amongst others) were implemented – with immense pushback that still has repercussions to this day. We’re not talking about ancient history here. This is current, lived history that still leaves a huge impression and effect today. This is just not something I expect most Brits to understand but the word is still powerful and still hurts regardless of intent.
All in all this is the BBC’s f*ck up through and through and shows a great deal regarding their intent caring about offending the sensibilities of one minority vs another.
marktuk on
Someone at the BBC made a decision to leave that in.
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The poor bloke, also How hard would it be to cut one word if it bothered em that much?
some people really are over sensitive cunts
The show isn’t even filmed live so this could’ve easily been avoided.
Absolutely shameful from the BBC and I feel awful for the people on stage and the person with Tourette’s who said it
Oh no! That’s going to disappoint literally dozens of people.
First off, obviously not the fault of the poor guy with tourettes.
Frankly astonishingly bad editing though. It’s not live iirc, and they edited out multiple political statements but just… chose to leave this in? Bizarre decision making.
I think they simply replaced the full version with an edited one, it wasn’t removed & is certainly there now.
Really feel that the BBC can’t win, whatever they do with this.
* If they leave it as aired, then they’re subjecting black people who want to watch it to racial abuse. And many will see the BBC as condoning it, or not appreciating how offensive it was.
* If they edit it out, or remove the programme entirely, then they’re effectively pretending that a disabled person doesn’t exist. That would be bad in any situation, but it’s *particularly* offensive for an awards ceremony that includes a film about this person’s life, and about getting people to accept his disability. The BBC is obviously quite big on being inclusive, and part of that message is not removing disabled people from view when they do something that they have no control over.
There’s no right answer here, beyond hoping that we can all be a bit compassionate to everyone involved.
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it’s obvious that the bbc should have edited it out of the original. leaving in the swearing is fine, but racial slurs are obviously extremely offensive and shouldn’t have been kept in.
also, pardon my ignorance but i’ve seen a lot of people saying that “black people are always meant to take racism on the chin”. assuming he’s apologised to the two presenters, is this not something that just has to be taken on the chin? what is the alternative, realistically, considering (i assume) he’s not *actually* racist, so he can’t be educated or punished? yes it’s hurtful and upsetting but it’s not like anything can be done about it?
thirdly, a lot of americans are calling for a public apology. why? surely a private apology is good enough. what does a public apology do apart from make the general public feel good? the BBC should be making the public apology for not cutting it out.
I don’t see why there’s so much uproar about this. It was fucking obviously not meant with any malice or intention and neither actor who heard it acknowledged it and kept the show moving.
Not saying it wouldn’t have been hurtful to the actors but they probably moved on from it by the time they went back to their hotels. As usual it’s the public and media whipping it up to be an ‘event’. 🙄
Yikes. That’s unfortunate for the poor bloke and Delroy Lindo and Michael B Jordan who must have been incredibly uncomfortable
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Wendal Pierce who was on The Wire says:
> “The insult to them takes priority. It doesn’t matter the reasoning for the racist slur.”
It should when the reason is known otherwise it’s just ableism. You aren’t entitled to feel insulted by the presence of disabled people.
Jamie Foxx is a moron. The damage people are doing to the cause of inclusion and representation is baffling. A lot of people openly showing if its not a black cause its not a cause they care about.
What was a humiliating experience for 3 people has been turned into an even greater spectacle by the BBC.
Ironic really. I would presume the point of the film is to engender understanding about the difficulty of living with the condition. However, there’s a hierarchy of social oppression and black is above disabled for many it would appear. It’s artistic almost, his life experience repeats, for the world to see.
Humans really like to blow shit out of proportion. Theres way more important things going on in the world.
This hacks me off. The whole point of the excellent award winning film was to highlight how this poor guys life has been blighted by a lack of awareness of his condition, and associated bad reactions.
In an audience celebrating the success of the depiction the sufferer is then lambasted by the professionally offended for his “slur”
You can only hope that people learn from this media storm
Isn’t this discrimination towards someone with tourettes
Editing out Free Palestine but keeping racial slurs is a little on the nose, even for the BBC.
Surely there needs to be *intent* to cause offence or incite racism?
I wonder if he has seen any movies with say, Samuel L Jackson going full tilt?….and thats ok right?…right?
I’m worried for John Davidson today because I think he’s quite vulnerable and I imagine he feels awful. I really feel for Jordan and Lindo too. The BBC should have protected everyone by not airing it
WTF the WHOLE thing? Because one guy who has Tourette’s?
The Americans on Twitter are showing how thick they are
Ah, the weekly story the allows the BBC to self flagellate over some minor occurrence whilst the rest of the media sticks their boot in…
Literally who cares if some producer didn’t catch it in real time.
Interesting that the sub that constantly rails against PIP suddenly cares about disabled people when they say a racial slur
Almost all the people shitting on him are Americans . Have they never heard of Tourette’s over there or something?
The reaction to this is kind of the whole point of the film in the first place – ignorance of the condition is what wrecked much of this guys life. He is trying to educate people on it .
Ah, the Pearl Clutchers yet again, with all the resilience of my shit when I’ve overdone the real ale.
How weak people must be to consistently take offence when there was no intent for it to be given.
Pathetic.
Missing a great chance to actually educate a bit here and help people with tourettes and similiar conditions, and that’s something that a lot of people already basically grasp and are tolerant of.
BBC seems to love to eat shit over things like this and actively make it worse- I heard this reported on the radio today as being said by “a tourettes campaigner” as if it were some deliberate choice rather than “someone with tourettes”.
I do find the comments funny. Why shouldn’t they find the word offensive? Just because he doesn’t mean doesn’t make it less hurtful. The word he said has a heavy weight to it, and something that is still prevalent now.
A few things here:
1.) Almost nobody is upset at this guy for his disability or what unfortunate word he shouted out in the heat of the moment. This includes Jordan and Lindo who handled the situation with remarkable grace.
2.) What people do have an issue with is the BBC’s editing of this. They had time to edit out ‘Free Palestine’ but not an actual racial slur? You could’ve kept Cumming’s apology in it wouldn’t have looked weird at all and everybody would’ve understood. Editing out the n word is not about helping Lindo or Jordan or the gentleman with the disability – it’s about saving the sensibilities of any black people watching the show who don’t want to be exposed to a cruel historical reminder (and let’s be honest present day reminder) of the prejudice they face during a moment of celebration for their community. That reasoning is the *exact* same thought process for cutting out ‘free Palestine’ and its effect on the Jewish people. The fact that the Jewish community got that consideration but the black community did not is very telling and quite frankly racist in itself.
3.) There are many (presumably) British people on this sub saying that it was just a word and with no intent behind it it’s no big deal. This is deeply false. To put it in context Jordan’s parents lived in a time before the civil rights movement. Lindo was 12 when desegregation happened and voting rights (amongst others) were implemented – with immense pushback that still has repercussions to this day. We’re not talking about ancient history here. This is current, lived history that still leaves a huge impression and effect today. This is just not something I expect most Brits to understand but the word is still powerful and still hurts regardless of intent.
All in all this is the BBC’s f*ck up through and through and shows a great deal regarding their intent caring about offending the sensibilities of one minority vs another.
Someone at the BBC made a decision to leave that in.