I assume it thought my right arm is looking a bit like I'm holding a phone, but;
(a) even if it was, the phone is not visible. You can't base a fine on positioning.
(b) my left hand is not even on the wheel, obviously my right hand is.
(c) you can see the very bottom of my phone plugged into the charger in the center console.
I'm obviously going to appeal this and am confident they will repeal it but it's very frustrating to receive this in the mail and have to go through the whole appeal process based on nothing.
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For what it’s worth to you. Your left hand in the second photo looks like it is holding a phone on your lap.
Whether it is or not, I can’t say, but it sure looks like it. I imagine that is why you’ve received a fine notice.
Edit: Some aren’t seeing it so here. It’s got roughly the same size and proportions as a phone. And it looks like it’s resting on his lap with his hand on it/clasping it.
Again, I am not saying it is a phone. I am saying I can understand why it was flagged.
https://imgur.com/gallery/GlOMmjs
Edit edit: FFS, OP is posting because he can’t figure out why AI has flagged this as him using a phone and I am pointing it out. Don’t shoot the messenger because you don’t like the message. Take your energy and email your local member for fucks sake.
Where’s the phone in this image ?
Good luck.
why do i keep seeing these posts?
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks”
Don’t compare it to robodebt. Nobody is taking their own life because of a traffic fine. Just contest it.
Moronic comparing this to the impact of Robodebt. Must be Scomo’s burner account.
Maybe it thought the bird poo on your window was a phone
Calling this robodebt is disrespectful as shit.
Yeah… comparing this to robodebt ain’t it mate. People killed themselves over that.
Just contest the fine and be done with it.
I don’t know how the AI is trained, probably thousands of test runs with the driver saying yes/no to holding a phone, and it’s learnt there’s a correlation between the charging cable going to a hand and a phone being held
Bro its because they can’t see the hands on the steering wheel.. meaning it thinks the driving isn’t in proper control of the vehicle. Which is against the law when driving on the road
Where are you? It’s a live issue in WA atm too https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-02/backlash-perth-ai-road-safety-cameras-speeding-seatbelt-fines/106405328?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=link
I swear I got flashed by a camera the other day because I was holding a cup in one hand while driving.
My daughter was in the passenger seat and thought I was speeding, but I was more than 10km UNDER the limit because I was coming into a 70km part of the highway and she goes “Oh maybe it’s the cup! The cameras use AI now to detect if you’re holding a phone.”
I’ll have to wait to see if I get an infringement in the post
Are you wearing shorts? In the second pic, if you zoom in it kinda looks like your left hand is holding a phone on your leg because of where the shorts end. Now a human can tell that it’s likely to be your hand resting on your leg, but AI probably can’t tell the difference
This is why you should be constantly having a wank while driving that way there is no ambiguity
More tips to come in the morning
Also more advice
In the second photo it *looks* like your left hand is holding a phone with the screen off, based on the angle of your hand/thumb (that I assume is resting on your lap)
Doesn’t excuse being sent a fine based on an AI misinterpretation with no human review, but does go someway to explaining how it thought there was a phone there.
I thought all positive phone cam pictures were meant to be checked by a human? True, it never said reasonable or competent humans, but still..
You should be able to contest this.
Also, I think there is bird shit on your window FYI just thought you might like to know
About 20 years ago I got a camera speeding fine in the mail for a road I had not been on, I assumed it was a mistake.
I had to go to the traffic cop HQ to view the photo, both the cop and I could see it was clearly me speeding.
I pointed out that the road on the ticket was 3 lanes wide, while the photo was only 2 lanes, so the ticket was not valid.
The cop followed me all the way out of the building, waving the photo at me and demanding I tell him which road it was.
Never heard about it again.
It’s your left hand on your thigh, it thinks your dark pants are a phone screen and the seam is the earpiece of the phone.
Should be trivial to overturn.
Like others have said comparing this to Robodebt is offensive and plainly wrong. This WOULD be like Robodebt if the AI cameras were illegal, if they had legal and departmental advice that it was wrong, that they used one possible breach of the road rules to then go back and assume that you also broke the law on previous driving trips and fine you for those imagined breaches, then sent debt notices of those fines, made it difficult for you to challenges those fines and then garnished your wages to pay said fines.
Unfortunately, even if as many as 1 in 10 fines sent out are AI-induced overreach,
it’s financially hitting the motherlode
for the relevant State government.
“While I admit that there have been some overzealous enforcing of the laws,
I believe it’s worth it in order to keep the community safe.”
Which Opposition is going to argue with that?
Most disturbing is that that it’s adaptable and scales.
“Even if we reject 1% of people from __________ who we subsequently discover aren’t terrorists then the community remains far safer … I make no apologies in striving to keep Australia safe.”
OP is being a drama queen for calling this shit Robodebt.
I’m sincerely being polite given the circumstances.
Is OP having to pay thousands of dollars to the federal government, while living on Social Security?
Have their loved ones committed suicide as a result of the federal’ government’s fraudulent actions?
They might have the right to be pissed off if they have received a state issued traffic infringement.
But the analogy is ignorant and really offensive to more than 450,00p Australians who received Robodebts. Some of whom took their own lives.
you’re comparing this to a policy that ended up with people taking their lives. that’s fucked up mate
They’re watching your eyes.
https://www.ezlicence.com.au/blog/what-offences-can-cameras-catch-you-committing#:~:text=Located%20at%20traffic%20lights%20in,driving%20over%20the%20speed%20limit.
Make sure your reading skills are better than your phone hiding or your steering wheel holding skills.
Make sure your grammar is up to standard too lad.
Never pay anything not made by a human
You are guilty of using your phone in your car, until you can prove otherwise, the American style of enforcement and justice.
In this case they are also outsourcing the image recognition to you.