I have no connection with the restaurant or caucassian group that is mentioned in the news. My concern is the statement that news contained as a naturalized citizen, I found it uncomfortable.
The statement is below and I will highlight the parts made me uncomfortable in bold.
The owners are a couple who operate a chain of Caucasian-style restaurants — a female Finnish citizen and a naturalized Finnish male.
What are your thoughts on this? I really wouldn’t like people to base on this and start calling us naturalized Finnish citizens. Finnish citizen is a Finnish citizen by law. You can get it by being born as one or being naturalized or by using declaration. How you get it irrelevant.
One of Yle's recent news contained a statement for identifying people as a Finnish citizen and a Naturalized Finnish citizen which urged sense of othering to me
byu/HappyBerry2024 inFinland
Posted by HappyBerry2024
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It’s descriptive. I doubt Yle of all sources is passing any judgement.
I think it acknowledges the accomplishment of achieving the citizenship. I don’t mind at all the use of the term.
It’s a pretty significant distinction regardless.
You know, the further we go on, the more we seem to adopt an americanized way of thinking… I think that statement goes both ways. Make of it what you will… (I’m “Finnish”, too.)
How you feel is valid. As a white, very Finnish looking Finnish citizen who was raised abroad and without the language, moved here as an adult— there is a lot of othering happening in our society and I am not a fan of news outlets encouraging it. It might not seem to more than an informational identifier but it can definitely be seen and used as a way to highlight the difference between “real” Finnish and “not real” Finnish.
What irks me first reading it is “Caucasian style” what even is that?! 🤣 I understand Nordic style or western ( even tho that’s also very broad).
The naturalization I dunno how to take it. It would be more interesting to hear where the person originates from as that will very likely influence their style, like Italy, Spain, Korea, Mexico… whatever.
If it has zero bearing on the article then I would totally agree that specifying that one was born here by blood and the other got citizenship later in life is irrelevant 🤷♀️
If you read the article, i think it was purposefully used to describe the male owner. Maybe to differentiate him to the other owner who is a finnish citizen. IMO it’s a good thing they did this, as people in the comments will be quick again to speculate the nationality of the owners. Now that YLE pointed out that one is a Finnish Citizen, and the other one is a naturalized Finnish Citizen, it would lessen arguments. I think…
Why do you find it uncomfortable? I’m not the most sensitive of people, I give you that, but I honestly have a hard time seeing what the issue could be.
Sounds a lot like the alt-right party in the UK stating that “it’s more than just paperwork that makes someone British”, they were being pretty clear they thought muslims and other immigrants didn’t count
When, in this case, the question is of someone who is not ethnically Finnish abusing others who are not ethnically Finnish, I think it brings important context to this, and honestly not including it would imo be rather misleading.
I can’t personally recall a single case in the restaurant field where a place ran by only ethnic Finns systematically abused a group of foreigners. Though this does of course happen as well, at least in the so called platform economy.
Meh.
Everyone is up for nuance until they are not….
F**k is that Rioni? I used to go there before covid in Haukilahti before they started expanding. They seemed nice people. Shame.
It’s translation from the finnish article which is a bit different:
> Pariskunnan nainen on suomalainen ja mies on muuttanut ulkomailta ja saanut Suomen kansalaisuuden.
Roughly: Couple’s woman is a finn and the man has moved from abroad and gained finnish citizenship.
finnish article: https://yle.fi/a/74-20214271
It highlights that they were abusing people from the man’s country of origin as is often case with these things.
Its true though
Im naturalized and am part of this weird mix of Finnish and my home country
I mostly identify as Finnish because i like the language, history and culture a lot more than my own
So nothing wrong with it IMO
LMAO all the butt hurt!
Nice going, snowflakes.
Well, it’s not irrelevant as naturalised citizens can’t become the president by law.
Also it’s a completely normal term. Are you ashamed if the way you attained citizenship?
>the preliminary investigation involved interviews with four foreign-background employees. Three of them are from the same country as the male suspect.
It’s very relevant in this case. How exactly should they have worded it then?
This is exactly why many no longer take complaints about othering seriously.
As a former journalist, it’s one of those things you might agonize over, but ultimately you include it because it just adds more information and context. Ethnicity plays an integral part of the story, so editing it out would go against the duty of informing the reader. As much as we dislike the notion of having Finnish citizens and “*real*” Finnish citizens, the story plays differently if none of them has an immigrant background.
Also regardless of the political climate, you should give your readers the benefit of the doubt, that they’re able to receive information without turning to their worst instincts
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