> “If the United States truly thinks about withdrawing from NATO, then European security will be based solely on the European Union. But not in its current form. I think that the EU is in a situation where it needs more countries.
> “And fast – time is running out.
> “UK, Ukraine, Turkey, and Norway. These four countries. Together, the UK, Ukraine, and Turkey have armies that are stronger than Russia’s army. Without us, Europe can’t match Russia.
> “In my view, there’s really no excuse not to act on this”.
taucko on
we’re gonna attack turkey because Likud, or the MIC, or the evangelicals, or Peter Thiel want us to
arkallastral on
Trump wants to leave NATO because Israel’s next target is Turkey…
thanks-for-platinum on
Luxembourg trying to act like it’s part of the club
Tough-Oven4317 on
As a Brit I’d support a military alliance with turkey, Norway, and Ukraine
Tenchi_Muyo1 on
Netanyahu already said ErdoÄŸan (Türkiye) is next, so that’s the only reason for US to leave NATO for some period of time
Yourstruly75 on
I even think that, ideally, the EU should open up a membership path for any country in the world. “As long as you adhere to these principles and achieve this level of development…”
But hey, I’m a dreamer
rjt2002 on
What’s the significance of Luxembourg joining the EU when the context here is probably related to the military strength ?
whiznat on
Aren’t Norway and Turkey already part of NATO? According to Wiki, they are.
Ycel10 on
Interesting, he is making this call after yesterday Erdogan’s coalition partner talked to a Russian newspaper and forcing Erdogan to strengthen cooperation with Russia and China
OberonDiver on
Never before did I see the doggy style inherent in Europe. Now I will never unsee.
JoeNTMY on
I’m pretty sure looking at this map Luxembourg is already a member of the EU
MidWestKhagan on
The israeli apartheid wants to fight Türkiye and send it into chaos like it has done with every other neighboring country so it can expand into it. That’s the goal for this apartheid. America likes vassals so it doesn’t want civil war, but its rotting appendage israel doesn’t like that, it likes countries that it hates to be in total chaos or totally destroyed so it can build colonies inside of it. Do not think that the greater israel idea is just a  netenyahu thing, it’s a whole israel thing.Â
NoWingedHussarsToday on
This is stupid on several levels. Ignoring the fact that head of non member state is telling EU what in needs to do, EU is not primarily military thing. It’s an economic and political association bringing together countries that share geographical space but have different military positions.
Let’s say for a moment this happens and EU assumes NATO’s military role. What happens to Austria? It’s neutral and EU member. Cyprus is not NATO member either. And let’s talk about how different positions will play out. Let’s say Israel decides threats are not enough and starts murdering Italian peacekeepers in Lebanon. Italy calls on EU to act. Will Germany stop sucking Israel’s cock long enough to say “we are strongly against doing anything and Italy needs to apologise to Israel for having to spend bullets” or will they simply do thumbs-down gesture so they can keep sucking?
If Us leaves NATO then other states should deal with it and adapt NATO to it, not create something new out of fabric that doesn’t work.
Purg1ngF1r3 on
The EU needs to reform how the Council’s veto power works before we can expand. It’s already near impossible to take any decisions with 27 members who all have veto power. Expanding before reforming would result in total political paralyzation.
EnormousPurpleGarden on
Luxembourg is already in the EU.
VacationMaterial7936 on
Andorra, am I a joke to you?
FunnyDislike on
Can’t find the source from Independent UK but in [The Rest is Politics](https://youtu.be/-uCjUbVu5aY) and their interview with Zelenskyy, he was a bit more nuanced and said that it could be as part of a closer integration which doesn’t necessarily have to be a EU membership but maybe something like a close partnership.
KUBrim on
The U.K. leaving the European Union is still one of the dumbest things it’s ever done and with the U.S. being aggressive about trade they’re even more isolated.
At the same time the EU system is severely broken as we’ve seen Hungary prove that a single rogue nation in the group can hold it to ransom and there’s nothing in the rules to account for it. Trade deals are decades long endeavours because every member needs to agree with parliament votes and, in some cases, every region of certain countries. But beyond all that, it’s not a defence or military collective so membership doesn’t make the parties stronger against invasion.
MirrorSeparate6729 on
If a country can meet the requirement and are willing they will seriously be considered.
SkibididdyOhio on
The day Turkey gets accepted into the EU is the day Europe dies. Half of these countries aren’t even interested in accession anyways
ElMachoGrande on
That is not for Zelensky to have opinions on.
Aeon_Return on
Well 3 out of the 4 I agree with
PfauFoto on
How does adding more to an entity that is incapable of defining a will help?
It was the UKs strategy to push for additions, in particular Turkey, to assure continental ineffectiveness.
The more logical call would be for reform and dismissal of fringe countries.
lukulukul on
No. What we need is qualified majority before we expand even by an dot. Also no Turkey.
Longjumping-Site-564 on
Turkey wont be allowed until it releases its control of northern Cyprus.
Its a significant stopping block.
Funny-Salamander4691 on
Formal withdrawal from NATO would need approval from the US congress which is very unlikely, and even more so after the mid-term elections in November.
A more likely option wouldl be the closure of US bases throughout Europe, via Executive order.
Death by a thousand cuts?
Mr_Alberto_ on
Turkey? No thank you with current government
NetraamR on
1 it’s not up to Zelensky
2 Ukraine should not be allowed in for a multitude of reasons
3 the EU does not “expand into countries”, countries decide themselves of they join or not
4 NATO should be dismantled regardless of what the EU does
5 Fuck Trump
dimizoo on
Zelensky cares for Europe? I really doubt that.
Aggressive-Kitchen18 on
Why the fuck does it matter what Zelensky says. Hes treated like the pope, on god.
No-Obligation-8560 on
The Ukrainians have genuine trouble understanding the EU. Erdogan is even worse than Viktor Orban, and we’d have him in charge of the largest, most popolous, and arguably most militarily powerful country in the union. Nothing would get done and it would start to break apart. Turkey has a lot of work to do on their institutions and government before they are ready, and so does Ukraine.
Inevitable-Push-8061 on
The EU should dream big and finally accept Turkey. Imagine the USA without Texas. That is how the current EU feels without Turkey and Turkey would be the Texas of the European Union.
BlueBorjigin on
Brenter
neinSavyGhost on
Incorrect map, Kosovo is not part of Serbia. Downvoted.
CasualStockbroker on
Luxembourg is already in the EU. Also, Turkey attempting to join the EU might cause some friction with Greece and Cyprus.
vargsint on
NATO would be the common defense pact even if the US left it. EU is way more than that.
Potential-Mobile-567 on
Aren’t EU an NATO different entities altogether?? US leaving NATO wouldnt have any effect on EU as an Organisation right?
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> “If the United States truly thinks about withdrawing from NATO, then European security will be based solely on the European Union. But not in its current form. I think that the EU is in a situation where it needs more countries.
> “And fast – time is running out.
> “UK, Ukraine, Turkey, and Norway. These four countries. Together, the UK, Ukraine, and Turkey have armies that are stronger than Russia’s army. Without us, Europe can’t match Russia.
> “In my view, there’s really no excuse not to act on this”.
we’re gonna attack turkey because Likud, or the MIC, or the evangelicals, or Peter Thiel want us to
Trump wants to leave NATO because Israel’s next target is Turkey…
Luxembourg trying to act like it’s part of the club
As a Brit I’d support a military alliance with turkey, Norway, and Ukraine
Netanyahu already said ErdoÄŸan (Türkiye) is next, so that’s the only reason for US to leave NATO for some period of time
I even think that, ideally, the EU should open up a membership path for any country in the world. “As long as you adhere to these principles and achieve this level of development…”
But hey, I’m a dreamer
What’s the significance of Luxembourg joining the EU when the context here is probably related to the military strength ?
Aren’t Norway and Turkey already part of NATO? According to Wiki, they are.
Interesting, he is making this call after yesterday Erdogan’s coalition partner talked to a Russian newspaper and forcing Erdogan to strengthen cooperation with Russia and China
Never before did I see the doggy style inherent in Europe. Now I will never unsee.
I’m pretty sure looking at this map Luxembourg is already a member of the EU
The israeli apartheid wants to fight Türkiye and send it into chaos like it has done with every other neighboring country so it can expand into it. That’s the goal for this apartheid. America likes vassals so it doesn’t want civil war, but its rotting appendage israel doesn’t like that, it likes countries that it hates to be in total chaos or totally destroyed so it can build colonies inside of it. Do not think that the greater israel idea is just a  netenyahu thing, it’s a whole israel thing.Â
This is stupid on several levels. Ignoring the fact that head of non member state is telling EU what in needs to do, EU is not primarily military thing. It’s an economic and political association bringing together countries that share geographical space but have different military positions.
Let’s say for a moment this happens and EU assumes NATO’s military role. What happens to Austria? It’s neutral and EU member. Cyprus is not NATO member either. And let’s talk about how different positions will play out. Let’s say Israel decides threats are not enough and starts murdering Italian peacekeepers in Lebanon. Italy calls on EU to act. Will Germany stop sucking Israel’s cock long enough to say “we are strongly against doing anything and Italy needs to apologise to Israel for having to spend bullets” or will they simply do thumbs-down gesture so they can keep sucking?
If Us leaves NATO then other states should deal with it and adapt NATO to it, not create something new out of fabric that doesn’t work.
The EU needs to reform how the Council’s veto power works before we can expand. It’s already near impossible to take any decisions with 27 members who all have veto power. Expanding before reforming would result in total political paralyzation.
Luxembourg is already in the EU.
Andorra, am I a joke to you?
Can’t find the source from Independent UK but in [The Rest is Politics](https://youtu.be/-uCjUbVu5aY) and their interview with Zelenskyy, he was a bit more nuanced and said that it could be as part of a closer integration which doesn’t necessarily have to be a EU membership but maybe something like a close partnership.
The U.K. leaving the European Union is still one of the dumbest things it’s ever done and with the U.S. being aggressive about trade they’re even more isolated.
At the same time the EU system is severely broken as we’ve seen Hungary prove that a single rogue nation in the group can hold it to ransom and there’s nothing in the rules to account for it. Trade deals are decades long endeavours because every member needs to agree with parliament votes and, in some cases, every region of certain countries. But beyond all that, it’s not a defence or military collective so membership doesn’t make the parties stronger against invasion.
If a country can meet the requirement and are willing they will seriously be considered.
The day Turkey gets accepted into the EU is the day Europe dies. Half of these countries aren’t even interested in accession anyways
That is not for Zelensky to have opinions on.
Well 3 out of the 4 I agree with
How does adding more to an entity that is incapable of defining a will help?
It was the UKs strategy to push for additions, in particular Turkey, to assure continental ineffectiveness.
The more logical call would be for reform and dismissal of fringe countries.
No. What we need is qualified majority before we expand even by an dot. Also no Turkey.
Turkey wont be allowed until it releases its control of northern Cyprus.
Its a significant stopping block.
Formal withdrawal from NATO would need approval from the US congress which is very unlikely, and even more so after the mid-term elections in November.
A more likely option wouldl be the closure of US bases throughout Europe, via Executive order.
Death by a thousand cuts?
Turkey? No thank you with current government
1 it’s not up to Zelensky
2 Ukraine should not be allowed in for a multitude of reasons
3 the EU does not “expand into countries”, countries decide themselves of they join or not
4 NATO should be dismantled regardless of what the EU does
5 Fuck Trump
Zelensky cares for Europe? I really doubt that.
Why the fuck does it matter what Zelensky says. Hes treated like the pope, on god.
The Ukrainians have genuine trouble understanding the EU. Erdogan is even worse than Viktor Orban, and we’d have him in charge of the largest, most popolous, and arguably most militarily powerful country in the union. Nothing would get done and it would start to break apart. Turkey has a lot of work to do on their institutions and government before they are ready, and so does Ukraine.
The EU should dream big and finally accept Turkey. Imagine the USA without Texas. That is how the current EU feels without Turkey and Turkey would be the Texas of the European Union.
Brenter
Incorrect map, Kosovo is not part of Serbia. Downvoted.
Luxembourg is already in the EU. Also, Turkey attempting to join the EU might cause some friction with Greece and Cyprus.
NATO would be the common defense pact even if the US left it. EU is way more than that.
Aren’t EU an NATO different entities altogether?? US leaving NATO wouldnt have any effect on EU as an Organisation right?
Am I missing something?
So fuck Moldova I guess…