I’m sure there will be someone popping on here to say how bad this plan is, and how this Council is just a bunch of NIMBYs.
Hopefully the Brisbane Metro continues its expansion in line with these densification plans.
Shadowedsphynx on
Places like Yarrabilba and Flagstone in Logan should’ve done this instead of the current plan of squeezing 4 bedroom 2 bathroom homes on blocks under 300m^2.
Able_Put4900 on
It doesn’t sound bad to me honestly.
But I think they need to build some temporary housing lots around the city, doesn’t need to be flash, shower blocks, laundry services, demountable accomodation. I see more and more ppl everyday living rough, living out of cars and vans, can’t imagine what the inner city looks like.
thebigseg on
Hopefully we also invest in improving public transport to reduce car traffic too
whitecollarzomb13 on
I don’t know why anyone’s surprised by this. We’re literally just becoming a larger city like Sydney.
Like it or not, people migrated in huge numbers post covid and supply / demand did its thing. I drove to caloundra the other day and what used to be vacant green pastures of nothing past glasshouse kinda area is now a massive estate. People have to exist somewhere.
patkk on
Great idea
Snoopy- on
Brisbane could do *so* much better, especially around existing train stations. So many of them on the southside that could and should have high rises around them but have detached housing or small walkups. Particularly those that are relatively close to the city.
Personal_Ad2455 on
Yeah, great idea. Should’ve started planning for this 25yrs ago – screw NIMBYISM. Public transport via metro/subway would be needed. Investment into outer suburb public transport corridors or loops as well.
Reminds me of Tokyo…
iBinChickenAboutYou on
Something inside me snapped today listening to my mother-in-law regurgitate Greens and Labor talking points about 25-storey unit blocks everywhere, no green space, all for investors, young people priced out.
Restricting supply does nothing to ease a housing crisis. New supply, luxury or not, creates more choice across the whole market. I recognise that the LNP created this mess over the last 20 years, the townhouse ban being a particularly egregious example. I absolutely agree people should be able to afford a home, but that’s a structural problem playing out globally.
Housing takes a decade to filter through from planning to completion. We’re already in an urgent situation. Every approval that gets killed today is a home that doesn’t exist in 2035.
I drove out to Ripley recently to pick something up from Marketplace and I was genuinely shocked. If you want to see the ghetto of the future, that’s it. Car-dependent, isolated, no services, no walkability. Then someone tries to tell me that Kelvin Grove Urban Village is a future ghetto?
Housing being treated as an asset class rather than a fundamental human need is genuinely disgusting. But strangling supply won’t fix that. We don’t have the tax base to build social housing at the scale needed.
I don’t claim to have all the answers, but capital gains treatment of property and possibly inheritance tax are surely part of the solution.
rickAUS on
The concept of “satellite cities” has been around forever. This is what Springfield – and I think even Logan suburbs like Yarrabilba/Flagstone – were meant to grow into as a greater plan for SEQ so the CBD was less fucked. Didn’t happen for them and I doubt it’ll happen for any actual BCC suburbs because development proposals will no doubt get blocked by NIMBY’s.
Also, you need the infrastructure to exist to support the load. More often than not they build stuff, the infrastructure doesn’t get touched for 15 years so there’s no incentive for anyone to put their business there because it’s a massive logistical nightmare working out of those places.
bleufeline on
“Brisbane is … one of the most expensive to build in, with many developers opting to build luxury properties in a bid to make ends meet.”
Cry me a river.
Shibwho on
Rezone all they want, it doesn’t improve the current economics where building a two bedroom apartment “would be something in the order of about $750,000 to $800,000” and this excludes any land value and profit margin. Townhouses and houses are at least $100-200k cheaper to build.
I’m one of 3 townhouses on a 800sqm block within 10 km of the CBD and the land value is $1 million, so an average of $330k each. Let’s say you put up an 8 unit walk up on the same block, that’s now $125k per unit.
There aren’t many suburbs in QLD where people are willing to pay close to $1 million for a 2 bedder at a train station…
Cubiscus on
In parallel can we please have a sustainable transport policy?
SnuffyTruffles23 on
is brisbane still racist?
Ok_Development_3961 on
The roads in brisbane are not made for the amount of traffic they want to put on them.
I am mainly talking about the north/north west
Janar_dhan on
Without improving public transport and invest tremendous amount there, it will be very very difficult for Brisbane to grow any further…
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I’m sure there will be someone popping on here to say how bad this plan is, and how this Council is just a bunch of NIMBYs.
Hopefully the Brisbane Metro continues its expansion in line with these densification plans.
Places like Yarrabilba and Flagstone in Logan should’ve done this instead of the current plan of squeezing 4 bedroom 2 bathroom homes on blocks under 300m^2.
It doesn’t sound bad to me honestly.
But I think they need to build some temporary housing lots around the city, doesn’t need to be flash, shower blocks, laundry services, demountable accomodation. I see more and more ppl everyday living rough, living out of cars and vans, can’t imagine what the inner city looks like.
Hopefully we also invest in improving public transport to reduce car traffic too
I don’t know why anyone’s surprised by this. We’re literally just becoming a larger city like Sydney.
Like it or not, people migrated in huge numbers post covid and supply / demand did its thing. I drove to caloundra the other day and what used to be vacant green pastures of nothing past glasshouse kinda area is now a massive estate. People have to exist somewhere.
Great idea
Brisbane could do *so* much better, especially around existing train stations. So many of them on the southside that could and should have high rises around them but have detached housing or small walkups. Particularly those that are relatively close to the city.
Yeah, great idea. Should’ve started planning for this 25yrs ago – screw NIMBYISM. Public transport via metro/subway would be needed. Investment into outer suburb public transport corridors or loops as well.
Reminds me of Tokyo…
Something inside me snapped today listening to my mother-in-law regurgitate Greens and Labor talking points about 25-storey unit blocks everywhere, no green space, all for investors, young people priced out.
Restricting supply does nothing to ease a housing crisis. New supply, luxury or not, creates more choice across the whole market. I recognise that the LNP created this mess over the last 20 years, the townhouse ban being a particularly egregious example. I absolutely agree people should be able to afford a home, but that’s a structural problem playing out globally.
Housing takes a decade to filter through from planning to completion. We’re already in an urgent situation. Every approval that gets killed today is a home that doesn’t exist in 2035.
I drove out to Ripley recently to pick something up from Marketplace and I was genuinely shocked. If you want to see the ghetto of the future, that’s it. Car-dependent, isolated, no services, no walkability. Then someone tries to tell me that Kelvin Grove Urban Village is a future ghetto?
Housing being treated as an asset class rather than a fundamental human need is genuinely disgusting. But strangling supply won’t fix that. We don’t have the tax base to build social housing at the scale needed.
I don’t claim to have all the answers, but capital gains treatment of property and possibly inheritance tax are surely part of the solution.
The concept of “satellite cities” has been around forever. This is what Springfield – and I think even Logan suburbs like Yarrabilba/Flagstone – were meant to grow into as a greater plan for SEQ so the CBD was less fucked. Didn’t happen for them and I doubt it’ll happen for any actual BCC suburbs because development proposals will no doubt get blocked by NIMBY’s.
Also, you need the infrastructure to exist to support the load. More often than not they build stuff, the infrastructure doesn’t get touched for 15 years so there’s no incentive for anyone to put their business there because it’s a massive logistical nightmare working out of those places.
“Brisbane is … one of the most expensive to build in, with many developers opting to build luxury properties in a bid to make ends meet.”
Cry me a river.
Rezone all they want, it doesn’t improve the current economics where building a two bedroom apartment “would be something in the order of about $750,000 to $800,000” and this excludes any land value and profit margin. Townhouses and houses are at least $100-200k cheaper to build.
I’m one of 3 townhouses on a 800sqm block within 10 km of the CBD and the land value is $1 million, so an average of $330k each. Let’s say you put up an 8 unit walk up on the same block, that’s now $125k per unit.
There aren’t many suburbs in QLD where people are willing to pay close to $1 million for a 2 bedder at a train station…
In parallel can we please have a sustainable transport policy?
is brisbane still racist?
The roads in brisbane are not made for the amount of traffic they want to put on them.
I am mainly talking about the north/north west
Without improving public transport and invest tremendous amount there, it will be very very difficult for Brisbane to grow any further…