The birth rates are going down, if we want to enforce this kind of rule we need to firstly have a country where people feel safe to raise children
Faux2137 on
No, he is the same kind of fascist as Orban was. He was in Fidesz not that long ago too.
The only change that happened in Hungary was replacement of anti-EU fascists with pro-EU fascists.
YngwieMainstream on
*Can* Poland do the same? Now that North Korean workers are not an option…
AverellCZ on
At least that gets rid of all the pesky ruzzkies that Orban let into Schengen
Dziadzios on
Zero is too extreme. We need brain drain.Â
milkdrinkingdude on
Wow, that’s a bit harsh.
I’ll check the details once I find the original.
Think about, e.g. a US corporation bringing a manager to Hungary to help set up a new project, or a specialist scientist, to train local staff… Seems too disruptive.
ComeOnIWantUsername on
With our demographics? It would be suicide.Â
There are currently 2 ways to not have country collapsed in not-so-far future:
– drastic and sudden grow of fertility rate, and letting immigrants in for next 25 years until these new kids will grow and join workforce
– letting immigrants in all the time
There is no 3rd way. Getting rid of immigrants means collapse of the country, and I mean *real* collapse.
Edit: I’m not saying that letting immigrants in all the time is good. It’s bad long term. It’s just still kinda better than collapse of the country because of retires being 40-50% of population, and it’s where we are slowly heading
Jessicas_skirt on
I would really like Poland to work on the last sentence. Right now getting my citizenship confirmation from the Mazowieckie voivodship is projected to take 18 months. If you actually want the Polish diaspora to return, then speed up the process for us to return.
Delicious_March_838 on
what kind of viktor orban is this?
CucumberWisdom on
It’s something fine to try, but you also have to be willing to change it if it’s clearly not working. It will be very hard for Poland/Hungary to convince enough of its people to return from UK/US/CA/FR etc. After all these years.
wandr99 on
1. No, we shouldn’t. This is silly, populistic and bad for the economy.
2. This is just the same strategy as Tusk’s. Attempt to demobilize right-wing voters by supporting the anti-immigration agenda and thus attempting to invalidate the entire right-wing propaganda machine which has been extremely focused on migragion for at least 10 years now. Magyar just went to an absurd extreme.
Livid_Account2839 on
sure, why not
Comprehensive_Menu19 on
Can’t find any credible source with this news so unless it comes out from a credible source then it’s bullshit. Eitherway it’s not possible to have such a policy in place. It will drive their economy to the ground and force foreign companies to go elsewhere and cause a drastic increase in unemployment and skilled labor shortage. More Hungarians will be forced to leave the country to go where the economy and job markets are stable. Before you try argue against my point, know that I could care less.
wandr99 on
“Non-European” is an absurdly wide term. I’m yet to meet a single person that had any issues with Chinese or Vietnamese immigrants.
firstmoonbunny on
but why? Poland has consistently lower unemployment rates than Hungary. non-european workers are doing fine, they’re not really creating any cultural conflict. what problem would this even solve?
Chemiczny_Bogdan on
Yeah, everyone to the right of Lewica is fearmongering about migrants. The effect so far is that insane pro-Russian groups have gained a lot of popularity, so I wouldn’t call it good for the country.
Low-Photo-4312 on
Poland should and will do the same. It’s not extremely tough – it’s the only way to survive.
Plus_Calligrapher_93 on
poland needs millions imigrants, its crazy to have such idea like madyar, but with polish racism and stupidity i’m sure a lot of polish people would support this plan
Wingedball on
Please don’t copy anything from this populist’s playbook.
Glass-News-9184 on
Absolutely. I can see “ethnic Poles” come back in numbers to take over Glovo delivery, and Asian bars from non-EU migrants as they leave.
Hi! Hungarian here. I see a lot of people think that Magyar wants no one to come to Hungary.
What he actually means are low-skilled workers from 3rd world countries that Orbán has imported. (Mainly from the Philippines)
They are not even residents or anything, usually they stay here for a couple of years with temporary visas and they go back after.
This is not a crazy amount of people, hence would not be such a big loss to Hungary. Thousand of Hungarians were laid off because of them in the past few years and wages were supressed beacuse of it.
Also, Orbán loved to make deals with the Chinese to build Chinese factories, with Chinese money and from Chinese loans, only so that Chinese workers can be imported and employed to create profit for the Chinese for which they don’t have to pay much tax because of course they get massive tax breaks. This would also concern that.
This wouldn’t mean Hungary wouldn’t want high-skilled workers to come to Hungary.
umotex12 on
All the same inside and have same brains and organs btw
SirPractical7959 on
Source?
Silly_Conflict_6577 on
Well they elected him because of economic disaster which Orban did and now Magyar is going to continue the economic downfall with that populistic ideas
GenerolMajorJust on
watch how the snowflakes will try to cancel him…
Domintomi on
Fuck fascists and nationalists. I just wanna remind everyone hes old firend of Orban
EntireSouth2277 on
I like it
PinkFluffyUnicorn21 on
Hell fuckin no- half of it runs on Indians, migrated to us as well. There’s no way that would be beneficial. If they pay taxes- I see no issue regardless of nationality of set individual
CommentChaos on
No. We should end citizenship by descent.
magicarmor on
lol..and here I was downvoted in the previous post on election day when I said he/his party are still right wing
Brilliant_Taste4830 on
i didnt expect him to pivot to the right this early, thats gotta be a world record for conservative liberals
We-all-gonna-die-oh on
Actually no, it doesn’t really help win parties that aren’t conservatives or right wing.
Why?
Even if you start having strong stance against immigration, every single time there will be some alt-right party that will have more radical stance on immigration.
At best you’re gonna just convince your voters that immigrants are the problem, which will fuel the popularity of right wing parties.
DeszczowyHanys on
That’s just fucked up
Honest-West9013 on
Yes, it should. Right now we have “invisible” migration of foreign “students” coming here and instead of learning, they work illegally in slave camps. Oftenly below minimum wage.
It is visible in recent statistics of PL productivity gains. With no investments PL has increase in productivity and at the same time rise in unemployment. Meaning – grey area economy grows, profits from unregistered job activity are invisible to the system or system eants them to be invisible.
Capital needs to be pushed into balance with current workforce. Meaning – usage of current resource and finding a cash to investing into local population.
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Without it they will not be able to survive thus companies closing, thus less demand, thus lowering prices of housing in big5.
Win win honestly.
No-Orchid-7925 on
Dude, seriously, who even wants to go to Hungary? I mean, I love Poland and Hungary, but you guys are totally missing the point. Immigrants are avoiding Eastern Europe not because these countries don’t want them or have strict rules!!!! it’s not like that at all! They head to Germany, the UK, and France for those high paying salaries, not the lower salary spots like Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, and so on. no immigrant wanna move to low salary country!
Academic-Proof3700 on
Outorbaned by his opposition haha
MrEU1 on
Immigrant boosts economy. Proven economics. But it’s easy to fool people, for non-scientific agenda.
bender1410 on
This is exactly what got PIS (Law and Justice) elected in 2015 – they were fearmongering that their opponents would agree to UE migrant relocation plans. Plans assumed intake of ~7000 migrants. After coming to power, PIS enabled migration from non-European countries such as India, Pakistan, Tadjikistan, Azerbaijan etc.
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The birth rates are going down, if we want to enforce this kind of rule we need to firstly have a country where people feel safe to raise children
No, he is the same kind of fascist as Orban was. He was in Fidesz not that long ago too.
The only change that happened in Hungary was replacement of anti-EU fascists with pro-EU fascists.
*Can* Poland do the same? Now that North Korean workers are not an option…
At least that gets rid of all the pesky ruzzkies that Orban let into Schengen
Zero is too extreme. We need brain drain.Â
Wow, that’s a bit harsh.
I’ll check the details once I find the original.
Think about, e.g. a US corporation bringing a manager to Hungary to help set up a new project, or a specialist scientist, to train local staff… Seems too disruptive.
With our demographics? It would be suicide.Â
There are currently 2 ways to not have country collapsed in not-so-far future:
– drastic and sudden grow of fertility rate, and letting immigrants in for next 25 years until these new kids will grow and join workforce
– letting immigrants in all the time
There is no 3rd way. Getting rid of immigrants means collapse of the country, and I mean *real* collapse.
Edit: I’m not saying that letting immigrants in all the time is good. It’s bad long term. It’s just still kinda better than collapse of the country because of retires being 40-50% of population, and it’s where we are slowly heading
I would really like Poland to work on the last sentence. Right now getting my citizenship confirmation from the Mazowieckie voivodship is projected to take 18 months. If you actually want the Polish diaspora to return, then speed up the process for us to return.
what kind of viktor orban is this?
It’s something fine to try, but you also have to be willing to change it if it’s clearly not working. It will be very hard for Poland/Hungary to convince enough of its people to return from UK/US/CA/FR etc. After all these years.
1. No, we shouldn’t. This is silly, populistic and bad for the economy.
2. This is just the same strategy as Tusk’s. Attempt to demobilize right-wing voters by supporting the anti-immigration agenda and thus attempting to invalidate the entire right-wing propaganda machine which has been extremely focused on migragion for at least 10 years now. Magyar just went to an absurd extreme.
sure, why not
Can’t find any credible source with this news so unless it comes out from a credible source then it’s bullshit. Eitherway it’s not possible to have such a policy in place. It will drive their economy to the ground and force foreign companies to go elsewhere and cause a drastic increase in unemployment and skilled labor shortage. More Hungarians will be forced to leave the country to go where the economy and job markets are stable. Before you try argue against my point, know that I could care less.
“Non-European” is an absurdly wide term. I’m yet to meet a single person that had any issues with Chinese or Vietnamese immigrants.
but why? Poland has consistently lower unemployment rates than Hungary. non-european workers are doing fine, they’re not really creating any cultural conflict. what problem would this even solve?
Yeah, everyone to the right of Lewica is fearmongering about migrants. The effect so far is that insane pro-Russian groups have gained a lot of popularity, so I wouldn’t call it good for the country.
Poland should and will do the same. It’s not extremely tough – it’s the only way to survive.
poland needs millions imigrants, its crazy to have such idea like madyar, but with polish racism and stupidity i’m sure a lot of polish people would support this plan
Please don’t copy anything from this populist’s playbook.
Absolutely. I can see “ethnic Poles” come back in numbers to take over Glovo delivery, and Asian bars from non-EU migrants as they leave.
This is the closest I could find! focuses more on stopping new arrivals than cancelling existing permits, though this was also pre election campaign promise, lets see if this holds. https://dailynewshungary.com/hungary-elections-2026-guest-workers-promises/
Hi! Hungarian here. I see a lot of people think that Magyar wants no one to come to Hungary.
What he actually means are low-skilled workers from 3rd world countries that Orbán has imported. (Mainly from the Philippines)
They are not even residents or anything, usually they stay here for a couple of years with temporary visas and they go back after.
This is not a crazy amount of people, hence would not be such a big loss to Hungary. Thousand of Hungarians were laid off because of them in the past few years and wages were supressed beacuse of it.
Also, Orbán loved to make deals with the Chinese to build Chinese factories, with Chinese money and from Chinese loans, only so that Chinese workers can be imported and employed to create profit for the Chinese for which they don’t have to pay much tax because of course they get massive tax breaks. This would also concern that.
This wouldn’t mean Hungary wouldn’t want high-skilled workers to come to Hungary.
All the same inside and have same brains and organs btw
Source?
Well they elected him because of economic disaster which Orban did and now Magyar is going to continue the economic downfall with that populistic ideas
watch how the snowflakes will try to cancel him…
Fuck fascists and nationalists. I just wanna remind everyone hes old firend of Orban
I like it
Hell fuckin no- half of it runs on Indians, migrated to us as well. There’s no way that would be beneficial. If they pay taxes- I see no issue regardless of nationality of set individual
No. We should end citizenship by descent.
lol..and here I was downvoted in the previous post on election day when I said he/his party are still right wing
i didnt expect him to pivot to the right this early, thats gotta be a world record for conservative liberals
Actually no, it doesn’t really help win parties that aren’t conservatives or right wing.
Why?
Even if you start having strong stance against immigration, every single time there will be some alt-right party that will have more radical stance on immigration.
At best you’re gonna just convince your voters that immigrants are the problem, which will fuel the popularity of right wing parties.
That’s just fucked up
Yes, it should. Right now we have “invisible” migration of foreign “students” coming here and instead of learning, they work illegally in slave camps. Oftenly below minimum wage.
It is visible in recent statistics of PL productivity gains. With no investments PL has increase in productivity and at the same time rise in unemployment. Meaning – grey area economy grows, profits from unregistered job activity are invisible to the system or system eants them to be invisible.
Capital needs to be pushed into balance with current workforce. Meaning – usage of current resource and finding a cash to investing into local population.
^
|
|
Without it they will not be able to survive thus companies closing, thus less demand, thus lowering prices of housing in big5.
Win win honestly.
Dude, seriously, who even wants to go to Hungary? I mean, I love Poland and Hungary, but you guys are totally missing the point. Immigrants are avoiding Eastern Europe not because these countries don’t want them or have strict rules!!!! it’s not like that at all! They head to Germany, the UK, and France for those high paying salaries, not the lower salary spots like Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, and so on. no immigrant wanna move to low salary country!
Outorbaned by his opposition haha
Immigrant boosts economy. Proven economics. But it’s easy to fool people, for non-scientific agenda.
This is exactly what got PIS (Law and Justice) elected in 2015 – they were fearmongering that their opponents would agree to UE migrant relocation plans. Plans assumed intake of ~7000 migrants. After coming to power, PIS enabled migration from non-European countries such as India, Pakistan, Tadjikistan, Azerbaijan etc.