I don’t see many young people smoking…..Vaping mind see it often enough.
Valkyrie1-618 on
Vaping is the issue that needs to be tackled in Ireland not smoking
dropthecoin on
I think there’s definitely a strong argument for it. There’s zero benefit to smoking and the State has an obligation to do what it can to prevent young people from taking it up.
some will now argue that masses will go to the black market but of course they will be a minority, and most will be prevented from taking up the habit.
Entire_Interest3096 on
I think it’s a good idea. Enforceable? Not so much. Banning disposable vapes? Yes.
As a vaper in my ‘50’’s l, I find it extraordinary that the law and tax brought in to curb youth vaping has not really changed the prices of disposable cases but has made my vaping 2.5 times more expensive. I just don’t understand the logic. If there even is any.
Smoking is dirty, smelly, unhealthy and very expensive, it’s a pox on the world. Wish I’d never started.
GerKoll on
Everyone knows smoking is bad for you, if people are still doing it, it’s their choice and the state should let them.
I never smoked in my life, and not planning to start now with 57, but I don’t like the state to tell people what to do in their private life. Its fine and right to point out when something is bad/unhealthy for you, but the choice should remain with the individual. There are more important things the governments should worry about, like microplastics, stress, mental health issues etc.
hmkvpews on
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We need to seriously look at tackling vapes. Can’t get over the amount of young people on them. When I was in college very few of my group smoked. Walking through UCD the other day it’s the flip of that and the majority had them in their hand. I really don’t get it.
These people probably never smoked but got addicted to a poxy vape. So I’m not talking about those who use a vape to quit smoking.
pgasmaddict on
In a discussion on another sub a redditor thought it highly incongruent that there is talk of pot being legalized while cigs are being illegalized. Surely they should both be one or the other. In the future will we see under 30s say smoking cigs provided by drug dealers and everyone wondering what they are laced with? Mind you a lot of people buy black market cigs as it is anyways.
I’m an Ex smoker, hate the fucking things, but can’t see how the proposal could work.
Anywhere_everywhere7 on
No, if people want to smoke they should be allowed to. Why not ban alcohol as well?
It’s not like the people are smoking don’t know it’s bad for them.
cromcru on
It’s a really concerning precedent to have two sets of legalities based on the age of the adult. And it only ever works one way – punish or restrict the younger cohort. My parents have all sorts of extra categories on their driving licence that I don’t have, all based on when the licence was issued, despite the fact that the driving test they took wasn’t as rigorous as mine.
So ban it for everyone or leave it be. Don’t create some sort of two-tier system that further segregates the young from life.
eldwaro on
Everyone jumps to the vaping conclusion. But actually quite a few younger people smoke again because it’s trendy. This ban should have been years ago to make sure that didnt happen. But here we are
twingingmystic on
No what’s the point of having an age if the government decides for you that every other adult can legally buy something you cant. I know its bad for you but people one they reach the age of majority should be allowed to make their own choices whether its in their best interests or not.
yop_mayo on
Know the Reddit crowd to row in behind this nanny state shite.
Present-Aside8155 on
I just want them to ban vapes, and not cause I care about the health of strangers’ kids, but purely to stop them throwing dayglo lumps of plastic (and the wrappers) all over the footpath and hedges.
Thisisaconversation on
Yes.
metalmessiah88 on
So we make between 1.5-1.8 billion per year on tobacco excise per year a ban wipes that out over time and knowing our government this will have to come in another form of tax !! Rather than it being an over the counter product it should be highly controlled and be made difficult to get .
footie3000 on
Smoking is the same as being morbidly obese, overusing sun beds, drinking too much alcohol etc, in so far as they all cause cancer/related illnesses. Why ban one, when you can ban others as well?
I see the rationale, but unless we as a society stop supporting people who have detrimental health habits, I can’t say I fully agree.
hype_irion on
100%. Tobacco and vapes.
lep_rechaun on
The UK is a weird police state, wouldn’t be quick to copy them
gamingdiamond982 on
we already have a grey market for tobacco, your just going to make the issue worse, when it comes to any issue 9 times out of ten your better off doing the opposite of what the UKs been doing in recent times
SoloWingPixy88 on
Seeing 14-15 year olds vapes feels like we skipped a step
micar11 on
I’ve been saying this should be introduced for years.
I’d also go so much further
dkeenaghan on
Absolutely not. Prohibition hasn’t worked before, why would we expect it to work this time?
The use of cigarettes should however be more heavily restricted. No smoking around entrances to buildings for example. It’s a disgusting habit and no one else should be subjected to your smoke involuntarily. Smoke at home if you want to, perhaps the awkwardness of that will push people to reconsider their idiocy.
Red_Blooded_Male_123 on
Yes
Johnny_Alpha on
Yeah
fullmoonbeam on
It’s bullshit, you can’t have a two tier legal system ok for one group but not for another and expect people to respect the law, that’s just plain wrong to me. Its generational hypocrisy and it’s the fine for me to do generation that has passed this law in the UK. If we’re going to stop people smoking and I think we should, we should grow a pair of balls and ban it outright.
miju-irl on
I say this has a current smoker.
This has always been the most logical way to eradicate smoking and essentially let the smoking generation die out over 70 years.
Taxes doesnt do anything to dissuade smoking
Mushie_Peas on
Terrible idea, look at the illicit trade in tobacco in Australia. Cigarettes are about 60-70 dollars a pack there, now something like 70% of the cigarettes sold are illegal one that cost 10-15 dollars a pack. Gangs are burning down rivals tobacco shops every week, completely unenforable as every second street has a shop selling them, half of the owners are forced into it as well by gangs.
Same will happen with this proposal. Give organiser crime something they can sell and they will.
Ill-Stage4131 on
If you ban smoke you should ban weed and drink aswell
ImAnOldChunkOfCoal on
No. It’s an excellent way of putting more money into drug dealers hands.
EGoss1 on
Yep, include vaping in it too.
Scam_Faultman on
People born before or after 2008, if they want to smoke they are going to find a means to do it. All it does is create an opportunity for more black market activity to occur for tobacco and vapes.
ResponsibleTrain1059 on
I am imagining the craic in a few decades when a 45 year old needs to ask his 46 year old mate to buy him cigs
Weekly_One1388 on
An alarming number of people seem to think it is fine to govern how someone else lives their life. This is worrying.
It should be extremely hard to smoke, smoking in public should bring an extremely harsh penalty, likewise around your own children but the government and by extension other people in society have no business enforcing what adults can do in the freedom of their own home.
If someone wants to live in a hut on the Aran Islands smoking 60 John Player Blue a day they should be allowed to.
dtr50 on
I broadly agree with the idea of banning but I can’t see it being enforced effectively.
Yes, people should have free will to choose what they do as long as it doesn’t hurt others (I understand the damage of second hand smoking)
What benefits does smoking have? Yes, you could argue processed foods, alcohol etc but moderate use with exercise can counter some/most of their negative impacts.
My MIL recently died from lung cancer (she never smoked). She did not die peacefully from it.
She had no control over getting it, smokers are actively trying to increase their chances of getting it.
But maybe I’m biased because she had a hospital bed beside a smoker who was so desperate for a cig that she threatened to spark up beside an oxygen tank.
imranhere2 on
Yup. Because when the get sick, the rest of us are paying for their care
cabbage16 on
Prohibition never works.
KerfuffleAsimov on
Nice, creating a future black market.
The funny part is that this isn’t needed. The amount of smokers is dropping each year anyway.
But also our government can only copy what the UK is doing so we will be creating a bigger black market for it here in Ireland soon too.
And yes I hate smoking….I’m just not stupid.
Aphroditesent on
I am not in favour of any ‘nanny stating’. It is not the states responsibility outside of harm done to other of its citizens to tell people what they can and can’t do. It’s like making self harm illegal. If drugs, cigarettes and alcohol were all legally dispensed responsibly and the public educated and services for addition readily available and affordable and mental health services too. We would have a very different society and different use of these substances.
Hogbrow on
Drug prohibition has worked everytime so why don’t we potentially criminalize a whole generation!!
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I don’t see many young people smoking…..Vaping mind see it often enough.
Vaping is the issue that needs to be tackled in Ireland not smoking
I think there’s definitely a strong argument for it. There’s zero benefit to smoking and the State has an obligation to do what it can to prevent young people from taking it up.
some will now argue that masses will go to the black market but of course they will be a minority, and most will be prevented from taking up the habit.
I think it’s a good idea. Enforceable? Not so much. Banning disposable vapes? Yes.
As a vaper in my ‘50’’s l, I find it extraordinary that the law and tax brought in to curb youth vaping has not really changed the prices of disposable cases but has made my vaping 2.5 times more expensive. I just don’t understand the logic. If there even is any.
Smoking is dirty, smelly, unhealthy and very expensive, it’s a pox on the world. Wish I’d never started.
Everyone knows smoking is bad for you, if people are still doing it, it’s their choice and the state should let them.
I never smoked in my life, and not planning to start now with 57, but I don’t like the state to tell people what to do in their private life. Its fine and right to point out when something is bad/unhealthy for you, but the choice should remain with the individual. There are more important things the governments should worry about, like microplastics, stress, mental health issues etc.
100%
We need to seriously look at tackling vapes. Can’t get over the amount of young people on them. When I was in college very few of my group smoked. Walking through UCD the other day it’s the flip of that and the majority had them in their hand. I really don’t get it.
These people probably never smoked but got addicted to a poxy vape. So I’m not talking about those who use a vape to quit smoking.
In a discussion on another sub a redditor thought it highly incongruent that there is talk of pot being legalized while cigs are being illegalized. Surely they should both be one or the other. In the future will we see under 30s say smoking cigs provided by drug dealers and everyone wondering what they are laced with? Mind you a lot of people buy black market cigs as it is anyways.
I’m an Ex smoker, hate the fucking things, but can’t see how the proposal could work.
No, if people want to smoke they should be allowed to. Why not ban alcohol as well?
It’s not like the people are smoking don’t know it’s bad for them.
It’s a really concerning precedent to have two sets of legalities based on the age of the adult. And it only ever works one way – punish or restrict the younger cohort. My parents have all sorts of extra categories on their driving licence that I don’t have, all based on when the licence was issued, despite the fact that the driving test they took wasn’t as rigorous as mine.
So ban it for everyone or leave it be. Don’t create some sort of two-tier system that further segregates the young from life.
Everyone jumps to the vaping conclusion. But actually quite a few younger people smoke again because it’s trendy. This ban should have been years ago to make sure that didnt happen. But here we are
No what’s the point of having an age if the government decides for you that every other adult can legally buy something you cant. I know its bad for you but people one they reach the age of majority should be allowed to make their own choices whether its in their best interests or not.
Know the Reddit crowd to row in behind this nanny state shite.
I just want them to ban vapes, and not cause I care about the health of strangers’ kids, but purely to stop them throwing dayglo lumps of plastic (and the wrappers) all over the footpath and hedges.
Yes.
So we make between 1.5-1.8 billion per year on tobacco excise per year a ban wipes that out over time and knowing our government this will have to come in another form of tax !! Rather than it being an over the counter product it should be highly controlled and be made difficult to get .
Smoking is the same as being morbidly obese, overusing sun beds, drinking too much alcohol etc, in so far as they all cause cancer/related illnesses. Why ban one, when you can ban others as well?
I see the rationale, but unless we as a society stop supporting people who have detrimental health habits, I can’t say I fully agree.
100%. Tobacco and vapes.
The UK is a weird police state, wouldn’t be quick to copy them
we already have a grey market for tobacco, your just going to make the issue worse, when it comes to any issue 9 times out of ten your better off doing the opposite of what the UKs been doing in recent times
Seeing 14-15 year olds vapes feels like we skipped a step
I’ve been saying this should be introduced for years.
I’d also go so much further
Absolutely not. Prohibition hasn’t worked before, why would we expect it to work this time?
The use of cigarettes should however be more heavily restricted. No smoking around entrances to buildings for example. It’s a disgusting habit and no one else should be subjected to your smoke involuntarily. Smoke at home if you want to, perhaps the awkwardness of that will push people to reconsider their idiocy.
Yes
Yeah
It’s bullshit, you can’t have a two tier legal system ok for one group but not for another and expect people to respect the law, that’s just plain wrong to me. Its generational hypocrisy and it’s the fine for me to do generation that has passed this law in the UK. If we’re going to stop people smoking and I think we should, we should grow a pair of balls and ban it outright.
I say this has a current smoker.
This has always been the most logical way to eradicate smoking and essentially let the smoking generation die out over 70 years.
Taxes doesnt do anything to dissuade smoking
Terrible idea, look at the illicit trade in tobacco in Australia. Cigarettes are about 60-70 dollars a pack there, now something like 70% of the cigarettes sold are illegal one that cost 10-15 dollars a pack. Gangs are burning down rivals tobacco shops every week, completely unenforable as every second street has a shop selling them, half of the owners are forced into it as well by gangs.
Same will happen with this proposal. Give organiser crime something they can sell and they will.
If you ban smoke you should ban weed and drink aswell
No. It’s an excellent way of putting more money into drug dealers hands.
Yep, include vaping in it too.
People born before or after 2008, if they want to smoke they are going to find a means to do it. All it does is create an opportunity for more black market activity to occur for tobacco and vapes.
I am imagining the craic in a few decades when a 45 year old needs to ask his 46 year old mate to buy him cigs
An alarming number of people seem to think it is fine to govern how someone else lives their life. This is worrying.
It should be extremely hard to smoke, smoking in public should bring an extremely harsh penalty, likewise around your own children but the government and by extension other people in society have no business enforcing what adults can do in the freedom of their own home.
If someone wants to live in a hut on the Aran Islands smoking 60 John Player Blue a day they should be allowed to.
I broadly agree with the idea of banning but I can’t see it being enforced effectively.
Yes, people should have free will to choose what they do as long as it doesn’t hurt others (I understand the damage of second hand smoking)
What benefits does smoking have? Yes, you could argue processed foods, alcohol etc but moderate use with exercise can counter some/most of their negative impacts.
My MIL recently died from lung cancer (she never smoked). She did not die peacefully from it.
She had no control over getting it, smokers are actively trying to increase their chances of getting it.
But maybe I’m biased because she had a hospital bed beside a smoker who was so desperate for a cig that she threatened to spark up beside an oxygen tank.
Yup. Because when the get sick, the rest of us are paying for their care
Prohibition never works.
Nice, creating a future black market.
The funny part is that this isn’t needed. The amount of smokers is dropping each year anyway.
But also our government can only copy what the UK is doing so we will be creating a bigger black market for it here in Ireland soon too.
And yes I hate smoking….I’m just not stupid.
I am not in favour of any ‘nanny stating’. It is not the states responsibility outside of harm done to other of its citizens to tell people what they can and can’t do. It’s like making self harm illegal. If drugs, cigarettes and alcohol were all legally dispensed responsibly and the public educated and services for addition readily available and affordable and mental health services too. We would have a very different society and different use of these substances.
Drug prohibition has worked everytime so why don’t we potentially criminalize a whole generation!!