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    [gift link] China Increasingly Views Trump’s America as an Empire in Decline

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    1. wheninrome5000 on

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      Interesting summary of domestic Chinese views of the US. Excerpt:

      The report called Mr. Trump an “accelerator of American political decay,” with the United States sliding toward polarization, institutional dysfunction and even “Latin American-style instability.” His hostility toward China, the authors argued, was a “reverse booster” that unified the country and helped bring about its strategic self-reliance.

    4. Significant_Swing_76 on

      When Trump got elected the first time, America was in decline.

      When this second round started, America was in decay.

      What we are witnessing is simply the the rich and powerful grabbing anything of value while they can.

    5. Bullboah on

      This is a funny article because it acknowledges that a huge current in Chinese politics has always been “America is declining China is rising”. It quotes a nationalist think tank and then right after says ‘that kind of language used to only be used by nationalists’.

      I lived in China for a bit before Trump’s first term and the overwhelming view from people I talked to about world politics was America was on an unavoidable decline.

      Bonus points to the NYT for including the quotes from Chinese university profs about how the answer for Trump to stop the decline is to adopt policies more beneficial to China.

    7. CrashdummyMH on

      Its not only China…

      America has been delclining for 3 decaded at minimum

    8. NoMidnight5366 on

      The Chinese political commentators have been referring to Trump as “nation builder” as in he has been building the Chinese nation by his destructive US polices. Let that sink in. Supposed “America first” polices are seen as contributing to China’s ascendancy.

    9. Over-Willingness-933 on

      The problem is, people read newspapers. The ludicrous headlines from very bias newspapers one or the other gives extremely deceptive views. The truth is the average American earns 6 times what a Chinese person earns.

    10. motherseffinjones on

      I feel like most of the world has a similar view point. Trump is a symptom not the problem even if he is accelerating things.

    11. ASEdouard on

      In decline at this point because it seems intent on shooting itself in the foot. The American economy has been surprisingly strong vs its peers in the last 10 years and its military is still dominant.

      Trump seems focused on destroying every single friendship and alliance necessary to the US’ position of strength in the world though.

    12. softwaredoug on

      It’s really hard to know what things look like post Trump. And very easy to be myopic about the last 1.5 years and think its now the new normal.

      Its safer for China / Russia etc to view it as a window of an opportunity, not some guarantee of a new order.

    13. GerryManDarling on

      Even an empire in decline will take decades, if not century. The western Roman Empire from decline to collapse took 200-300 years, the whole Roman empire collapse took 1000 years (including Eastern Roman/Byzantine Empire).

    14. audigex on

      It’s hard to deny that America has lost a huge amount of soft power

      Meanwhile their hard power is looking less un-opposable than it has since probably 1941

      And the country itself seems less equal and widely prosperous than it’s been in a century – a country who no longer believes in a rising tide lifting all ships, but instead in funnelling wealth to oligarchs

      Overall, I think China has a point

    15. IdidItWithOrangeMan on

      Foreigners don’t understand USA. We thrive on chaos.

      Yeah, we have some nutjobs but the second a 9/11 type incident goes down those people won’t get a voice and USA will band together for as long as needed.

    16. sacklunch2005 on

      Thier both in decline Honestly. The American government us effectively throwing away decades of soft power for short term gain that don’t actually materialize, its over extended, billionaires have too much influnce, and huge debt…

      Yet China has worse demographics by far, has even worse debt than America, it belt abd road initiative instead of creating influnce has largely just become a money sink with little hope of returns, it’s house crisis will not go away any tine soon due to the demographic crisis.