Do we have a list of any peps connected to the companies contracted?
DunAnOir on
Who could have predicted this?!
OldVillageNuaGuitar on
My understanding at one stage was that part of the delay to an upgrade of the ticketing system was related to the need to have more of the National Fares Strategy introduced. But like everything that relates to public transport, there are some political difficulties so that’s been painfully slow. The Fares strategy is supposed to even out some of the quirks of the existing rather ad hoc fares system and make a national system more sensible (and indeed, viable).
But at the same time, they managed a lot of the Dublin stuff (the new commuter fare zones and the harmonisation that required) but the NTA seem very disinterested in the non-Dublin stuff.
(Edit: To be clear this is a moan about the delays to implementing the national fares strategy and the disinterest of the NTA in non-Dublin issues, rather than a suggestion that the National Fares Strategy delays is the cause of the cost overrun or other delays to contactless ticketing)
GhostsOfTheRobotTree on
Dozens of countries are running contactless payments without issue.
As ever we need to make ours bespoke and overlay complicated for some reason.
PlantNerdxo on
It rained today but the sun came out after
PoppedCork on
Incompetence is allowed by not having accountability.
Sayek on
Genuinely do they pose solutions or look for corrective measures to stop this happening in the future? Or do we just leave it to each public body to make the same mistake over and over?
I feel like this will be a recurring issue for years. Private sector are more than happy to string projects along too and involve more consultations.
I can understand how building projects and developments run over budget due to external factors and costs and delays and timing etc. These IT projects are such a black hole for money when in reality it should be possible to map out most of it and get approximate costings, you’ll always run into issues but I don’t know those issues end up costing double of their budget.
I feel like the public sector needs an IT hub or something, pay proper wages and at least be able to advise government agencies when working with third parties or call out bullshit in the tender process. Also have these contract actually punish delays and budget overruns.
OHHHSHAAANE on
I should have done a polymarket on this outcome
RiXopher on
Would never have guessed..
cacamilis22 on
We could build a nice little bike shed for that. What a waste
stuyboi888 on
15% over budget for anyone that read past the headline. Yea that sucks but my groceries have definitely gone up much more than 15% in the past 2 years. How long were the projects. What was the Cola set to be for the contract anyways. Are the overtuns because the tender was done poorly and didn’t predict increases in spending. Were things underpriced, was the tender process skewed too heavily towards cost rather than I dunno, being able to show they did the work before in the EU
Get it done FFS. Was in Spain’s 6th largest city the other day. It had a metro, bus, train from the airport and tap on with bank card. Alicante had it over 10 years ago. Tech centre of the EU my ass
No_Minute_5743 on
Must be those people in rural comnunties in one off houses again causing all this wasted expenditure on public infrastructure.
Plane-Top-3913 on
Imagine if Ireland had to actually work for its wealth instead of extracting it from taxes not paid elsewhere, maybe then people would care
IrishLad1002 on
The temptation to set up a company that purely goes after and abuses public contracts grows by the day. You’d be a millionaire by Christmas and there’s zero chance of you ever being investigated or punished as the government will actively defend you.
TheGalacticApple on
Don’t worry guys by the time this goes through it will have doubled due to inflation.
Real_Penalty_4317 on
Over budget is a Irish standard at this point
Real_Penalty_4317 on
Who is doing budget review? Just tell whoever submitted the bid though shit
scoopydidit on
Water is wet. More news at 9.
But seriously, how do you magically make something go that over budget? In my job, we might spin up a new project that we estimate to be… 1m per year in infrastructure. We do thorough budget analysis and usage planning to verify this. At most, we will probably hit 1.02m per year. And this sort of project would fluctuate with demand so hard to get down accurately. How do you magically make a pretty constant project budget go over by 41m? That’s a huge number over budget. Like… what changed in the original scope that has warranted that?
AdBoring9620 on
How does it cost 41 million, nevermind run over. An I missing something? A card reader is how much,?
stevewithcats on
Yeah alright , just make it happen. Ffs
National_Play_6851 on
From the article: “overall spending was roughly in line with initial projections as underspending on some projects has offset overruns on others.” – that won’t generate the necessary headlines and misguided outrage of course.
BiDiTi on
If only we ran an inappropriate surplus each year, which could absorb this excess cost in delivering critical infrastructure!!!
Additional_Olive3318 on
We need all of these overruns to have some kind of investigation
Successful-Trash-915 on
And the local gaa team has a tap and pay option when collecting outside the supermarket. Good old Ireland reinventing the wheel as usual.
jamster126 on
How is this so difficult to implement? I don’t understand. Dozens of countries have already implemented this.
Specific-Manager-125 on
A system btw which was launched 12 years ago in London in a far more complex environment than this for a fraction of the cost
But anyone suprised …No , will there be any consequences ….of course not …maybe a promotion or 2
FloppyTomatoes on
Why do they over complicate this? I’m living in Germany and you buy the ticket in the providers app (or on the platform), and that’s it. No faffing about with scanners, machines and delaying people getting on. The tickets is not valid until a few mins after your purchase in the app, so you can’t just quickly buy a ticket if you see the inspector approaching.
MidnightSun77 on
How?
Entire_Number_9 on
Lads, quick question, how can I start a company to fulfil government contracts?
TimeToStrike_ on
I always get confused on these kind of things. Government has a spec, they put it out to tender, companies bid and get the contract, how can they suddenly want more money?
WickerMan111 on
Can they not use their leap cards?
francescoli on
No one is shocked .
jdogburger on
Just make it free, oh wait that wouldn’t benefit the tech companies. They need more public funds to build systems to collect even more of our personal data.
JuckRyan on
Anyone going to get fired for this? It’s theft from the public purse!
Alwaysname on
Oh for the love for fecking shite. How is this always happening? 😡
There needs to be a STOP and RESET here. Who is allowing this to happen?? What culture within government is allowing this to happen?? This kind of stuff has been going on for years and it doesn’t seem to be down to any single politician, or party and I’m firmly of the opinion it’s rooted in the Civil Service and the culture and conditions in which they operate. You wouldn’t last a wet weekend in the Corporate world doing this kind of stuff.
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Well, I, for one, am shocked!
Shocked, I tell you!
This is just getting ridiculous… and how many years of delay we can expect?
https://preview.redd.it/wlqyk624f31h1.png?width=395&format=png&auto=webp&s=fd85d072a3beaddd2dda1b0f0fcba56996c67879
Do we have a list of any peps connected to the companies contracted?
Who could have predicted this?!
My understanding at one stage was that part of the delay to an upgrade of the ticketing system was related to the need to have more of the National Fares Strategy introduced. But like everything that relates to public transport, there are some political difficulties so that’s been painfully slow. The Fares strategy is supposed to even out some of the quirks of the existing rather ad hoc fares system and make a national system more sensible (and indeed, viable).
But at the same time, they managed a lot of the Dublin stuff (the new commuter fare zones and the harmonisation that required) but the NTA seem very disinterested in the non-Dublin stuff.
(Edit: To be clear this is a moan about the delays to implementing the national fares strategy and the disinterest of the NTA in non-Dublin issues, rather than a suggestion that the National Fares Strategy delays is the cause of the cost overrun or other delays to contactless ticketing)
Dozens of countries are running contactless payments without issue.
As ever we need to make ours bespoke and overlay complicated for some reason.
It rained today but the sun came out after
Incompetence is allowed by not having accountability.
Genuinely do they pose solutions or look for corrective measures to stop this happening in the future? Or do we just leave it to each public body to make the same mistake over and over?
I feel like this will be a recurring issue for years. Private sector are more than happy to string projects along too and involve more consultations.
I can understand how building projects and developments run over budget due to external factors and costs and delays and timing etc. These IT projects are such a black hole for money when in reality it should be possible to map out most of it and get approximate costings, you’ll always run into issues but I don’t know those issues end up costing double of their budget.
I feel like the public sector needs an IT hub or something, pay proper wages and at least be able to advise government agencies when working with third parties or call out bullshit in the tender process. Also have these contract actually punish delays and budget overruns.
I should have done a polymarket on this outcome
Would never have guessed..
We could build a nice little bike shed for that. What a waste
15% over budget for anyone that read past the headline. Yea that sucks but my groceries have definitely gone up much more than 15% in the past 2 years. How long were the projects. What was the Cola set to be for the contract anyways. Are the overtuns because the tender was done poorly and didn’t predict increases in spending. Were things underpriced, was the tender process skewed too heavily towards cost rather than I dunno, being able to show they did the work before in the EU
Get it done FFS. Was in Spain’s 6th largest city the other day. It had a metro, bus, train from the airport and tap on with bank card. Alicante had it over 10 years ago. Tech centre of the EU my ass
Must be those people in rural comnunties in one off houses again causing all this wasted expenditure on public infrastructure.
Imagine if Ireland had to actually work for its wealth instead of extracting it from taxes not paid elsewhere, maybe then people would care
The temptation to set up a company that purely goes after and abuses public contracts grows by the day. You’d be a millionaire by Christmas and there’s zero chance of you ever being investigated or punished as the government will actively defend you.
Don’t worry guys by the time this goes through it will have doubled due to inflation.
Over budget is a Irish standard at this point
Who is doing budget review? Just tell whoever submitted the bid though shit
Water is wet. More news at 9.
But seriously, how do you magically make something go that over budget? In my job, we might spin up a new project that we estimate to be… 1m per year in infrastructure. We do thorough budget analysis and usage planning to verify this. At most, we will probably hit 1.02m per year. And this sort of project would fluctuate with demand so hard to get down accurately. How do you magically make a pretty constant project budget go over by 41m? That’s a huge number over budget. Like… what changed in the original scope that has warranted that?
How does it cost 41 million, nevermind run over. An I missing something? A card reader is how much,?
Yeah alright , just make it happen. Ffs
From the article: “overall spending was roughly in line with initial projections as underspending on some projects has offset overruns on others.” – that won’t generate the necessary headlines and misguided outrage of course.
If only we ran an inappropriate surplus each year, which could absorb this excess cost in delivering critical infrastructure!!!
We need all of these overruns to have some kind of investigation
And the local gaa team has a tap and pay option when collecting outside the supermarket. Good old Ireland reinventing the wheel as usual.
How is this so difficult to implement? I don’t understand. Dozens of countries have already implemented this.
A system btw which was launched 12 years ago in London in a far more complex environment than this for a fraction of the cost
But anyone suprised …No , will there be any consequences ….of course not …maybe a promotion or 2
Why do they over complicate this? I’m living in Germany and you buy the ticket in the providers app (or on the platform), and that’s it. No faffing about with scanners, machines and delaying people getting on. The tickets is not valid until a few mins after your purchase in the app, so you can’t just quickly buy a ticket if you see the inspector approaching.
How?
Lads, quick question, how can I start a company to fulfil government contracts?
I always get confused on these kind of things. Government has a spec, they put it out to tender, companies bid and get the contract, how can they suddenly want more money?
Can they not use their leap cards?
No one is shocked .
Just make it free, oh wait that wouldn’t benefit the tech companies. They need more public funds to build systems to collect even more of our personal data.
Anyone going to get fired for this? It’s theft from the public purse!
Oh for the love for fecking shite. How is this always happening? 😡
There needs to be a STOP and RESET here. Who is allowing this to happen?? What culture within government is allowing this to happen?? This kind of stuff has been going on for years and it doesn’t seem to be down to any single politician, or party and I’m firmly of the opinion it’s rooted in the Civil Service and the culture and conditions in which they operate. You wouldn’t last a wet weekend in the Corporate world doing this kind of stuff.
https://preview.redd.it/0qn1l22g741h1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e0e2de595934835ecbe74d76d2b5716362721db
Surely there’s an off-the-shelf system they could have purchased. Loads of countries have contactless payment.
Vending no machine companies were able to do this in about 2 weeks
Genuine question.. why is Ireland so pathetic at implementing any sort of infrastructure projects?

Why am I not surprised 🤦🏻♂️
So, business as usual, eh?
Was in Georgia the country last week, the capital
Tbilisi has a metro with tap on for bank cards ….
This is massively embarrassing for all involved , talk about over complicating.