All this because Trump started heavily funding and supporting the separatists, Russian style.
Putin’s campaign to divide and disrupt western alliances sure got a huge buff from Trump.
Just a straight up 4x modifier. Could not have asked for a better tool.
lordm30 on
Why do people in Alberta want to separate?
invisiblebyday on
So they’re having a referendum on whether to have a referendum to separate? Seems like a way of getting around the recent court order against having an actual referendum vote due to lack of First Nation consultation about related legislation. This new question also seems like a great way to encourage non-separatists to vote yes to “send a message” to the federal government and make it look like there’s more separatists then there really are.
comfortably_nuumb on
51st state competition is getting crowded. Greenland, Panama, Venezuela, Cuba, Alberta. Did I miss any?
/s, just in case
Cloudhead_Denny on
The abject stupidity of the Albertans who fell for this US administration led psyop is so sad. Canadians in aggregate are smarter than this and can see right through it. This isn’t going anywhere.
Beyond that, Alberta can’t seperate even if it wanted to. It’s not their land to seperate with. First Nations has a lot of pull here.
_Echoes_ on
Remember, this separatist stuff is being coordinated by shady Americans that stole our data and want to steal our home as well.
The second Alberta leaves, the US will swoop in to annex us and we can say goodbye to our healthcare.
And yes for those unacquainted, the separatists DOXXED 7 million Albertans last week by turning a voter list into a publically searchable database of personal info.
CBowdidge on
This is such a clown show. Smith is desperately trying to have it both ways and now she’s pissed everyone off. Most Albertans are against this, but the seppies largely control the UCP.
It raised a lot of interesting questions beyond the Native American Treaties pre-dating Alberta as a province, and touched on things like federal assets and infrastructure, defense agreements, taxes, Albertian CCP contributions, passports, birth certificates, cross boarder transportation of goods, migration, and a thousand other bureaucratic nightmares that would have to be resolved for a legal separation to even be considered. I believe it even pointed out that the Canadian Supreme Court mentioned that even if there was a binding vote, which a referendum isn’t, the entire thing could die in the courts if there is no formal agreement between both parties; and that all the Canadian government had to really do was not agree to certain concessions or make their demands so outrageously high that Alberta could never meet them and it would never get concluded.
Raynosaurus on
For anyone that didn’t read the article. About 300,000 people signed the petition. Assuming that’s all legit people from Alberta that’s about 6-7% of the population.
BornNerd78 on
Alberta has no legal basis to separate since it is mostly treaty lands.
jello1990 on
Well yeah Alberta has what, the third largest oil reserves on the planet? There’s no situation imaginable that the government would allow especially that province to secede without a civil war.
bcbigfoot on
Yeah this is just straight up stupid. It will never happen.
sunnyspiders on
Alberta is infected with posturing Internet Conservatives.
They’re angry about everything and want to destroy everything so they can say the government doesn’t work.
Similar to the arsonists currently occupying the White House.
This is money talking not people talking.
Unlimited political spending in the 🇺🇸 has destroyed the media landscape for the rest of the planet.
We are hooked on American slop.
ashoka_akira on
Alberta, could you not?
As a British Columbian I feel like the neglected child with toxic parents who are talking about breaking up and sending me to stay with some random relative, and be completely cut off from my extended friends and family. No one is asking me how I feel.
Redrumicus on
Please don’t group all Albertans into this. As an Albertan, I’m deeply embarrassed by what’s happening.
There’s a group of people in this province whom have smoother brains than most, and the majority of Albertans are proudly Canadian first.
Seeing, hearing, and living next to all this seppie nonsense is exhausting. Smith needs to go, this ‘issue’ needs to go, and we need to just get back to being Canadian and living our lives without this BS.
VHPguy on
Separatists just want to see the world burn; they don’t really have a solid plan if Alberta actually separates.
Substantial_Dog8413 on
I don’t understand this tbh besides a money question. I spent many times in AB and enjoyed their canadian spirit and unique western vibe; i feel they are essential to canadian diversity . I hope they don’t leave. Canada isn’t perfect but it’s quite there. If they want to become a 51st state in this political climate i feel canadian won’t empathise withith them.
glabel35 on
After brexit, why in the world would any country allow a piece of its self to vote on leaving the union? Given how prone these referendums are to misinformation and foreign influence you’d think that would be enough to table these. Voting is about enacting change through legislation, not bailing on the entire country.
Austoman on
So many dumb things with this ‘Separatist movement’.
1. It is well known that it was started and is continually funded by people in the US, so there is a lot more noise than actual interest.
2. Tons of legal issues trying to separate.
3. A ridiculous amount of economic issues for Alberta, especially being a landlocked location. Quebec at least has a coast line and even their movement was ridiculous.
4. Tons of circumstantial issues such as how would Alberta handle wildfires and disasters considering everything a town burns down all of Canada provides them support…
Just a truly stupid thing that is getting attention for the uneducated to ‘own the libs’.
bbusiello on
Jo from Blonde Politics called it last year that IF there were to be some kind of thing happening in Canada, Alberta would be the first domino to fall. And while Quebec has calmed down with their separation rhetoric, Alberta “winning” this could spark a resurgence. And from there, it’s collapse.
Not saying this will happen, but the process by which it would happen starts with Alberta.
totallyRebb on
Putin is really giving Trump tips on how to do it.
antosme on
A sci-fi scenario, but not too far-fetched: a military intervention by some party to save an oppressed population, a special military operation 2.0…
I’m joking, of course
_Mamushi_ on
Isn’t the MAGA way “if you don’t like it then leave”? If they want to be a part of the US so bad perhaps they should leave their country?
Call555JackChop on
Alberta residents should take a trip to rural Oklahoma or Mississippi to see what solid conservative leadership does to you
Lore86 on
This is literally how the war in Ukraine started.
beornn2 on
Not Canadian but I have a shitload of MAGA family and this smells like conservative bullshit, sorry you guys are having to deal with this shit too
WhoMe32192 on
Time to federally investigate Albertan separatists.
PM_Your_Best_Ideas on
Danielle Smith, was elected without separation anywhere in the platform she ran on. They have been told by 2 different courts that this separation vote is illegal, That they would need to involve the representatives from the first nations to which still hold the treaties with Canada not just Alberta.
MitchenImpossible on
Danielle Smith is a traitorous cancer that needs to be audited and investigated on the basis of foreign interference.
A_Random_Latvian on
Its stupid that there is even a possibility for it to happen. It should be illegal for all provices to gain “independence”.
M1ck3yB1u on
Fucking traitors the whole lot of them.
Hockeyhoser on
I truly don’t believe this is an original, native sentiment. Some GRU agent came up with the idea and they found some stoolies with a platform to echo it.
ClubSoda on
MMW A Trump-sponsored convoy of American yahoos will stream across into Alberta to vote for separation.
coastalwebdev on
Seeing how absolutely moronic and backwards and ignorant these separatists are, just eating up all that foreign propaganda and lies without fact checking a single fucking thing their idea is based on: it makes me think there’s an amicable solution where we help the people that want to separate leave the country.
I propose we allow them to separate on an iceberg. We’ll even give it a good push out to sea so they can get far away from the country they’ve been convinced to hate so much.
At a certain point, when your stupidity is being weaponized against your own people by foreign actors, there just isn’t room for empathy anymore. You need to be treated like the threat to your people that you have become.
It’s not a separation vote, it’s a vote for a *maybe* vote at an undefined point in the future if ever.
Brandoe on
Oh, are we back at pointless referendums, I feel like a kid again.
coyote-cry on
Alberta is such an egotistical wannabe like what a bore
SnooFoxes2384 on
51st state talk again?
CSWorldChamp on
That would be kinda weird wouldn’t it? Canada, Canada, Canada, the independent Alberta Free State… then more Canada, Canada, Canada…
Like, just from a geographical standpoint, isn’t it kind of hard to secede from a country you’re almost completely surrounded by?
ThebuMungmeiser on
As soon as Alberta Separates, the US will just invade and take over the oil. They will have no military, and that way they don’t have to invade Canada.
Win win for them.
CementCemetery on
Alberts is stronger with Canada. We used to roast Quebec for wanting to separate. It’s ridiculous to think Alberta can survive without support of neighboring provinces (and territory).
Acceptable-Lie188 on
Isn’t Alberta where the oil is. I mean, just a coincidence of course.
Hikarilo on
I don’t really understand how Albertans think that separating form Canada would be economically beneficial. They will be relying on exports of their natural resources, mainly oil, but they are landlocked and surrounded by Canada and the US. This dramatically limits the numbers of buyers for Alberta’s exports to mainly Canada and the US. Alberta can negotiate with Canada and the US to allow them to use their ports and free passage of goods to get access to other buyers and markets, but Canada and the US is probably going to tax these goods at high rates when entering their border. Furthermore, Alberta will now need to be in charge of their on military, trade, economic policies. On trade and economic policies, it will be hard to negotiate with Canada and the US because Alberta have little leverage because again, they are landlocked between Canada and the US.
TypicalRecon on
that trip to russia trump took in the 80s really had some implications nobody saw coming…
Darrenizer on
They can all leave fuck em, but they don’t get to take our land with them.
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All this because Trump started heavily funding and supporting the separatists, Russian style.
Putin’s campaign to divide and disrupt western alliances sure got a huge buff from Trump.
Just a straight up 4x modifier. Could not have asked for a better tool.
Why do people in Alberta want to separate?
So they’re having a referendum on whether to have a referendum to separate? Seems like a way of getting around the recent court order against having an actual referendum vote due to lack of First Nation consultation about related legislation. This new question also seems like a great way to encourage non-separatists to vote yes to “send a message” to the federal government and make it look like there’s more separatists then there really are.
51st state competition is getting crowded. Greenland, Panama, Venezuela, Cuba, Alberta. Did I miss any?
/s, just in case
The abject stupidity of the Albertans who fell for this US administration led psyop is so sad. Canadians in aggregate are smarter than this and can see right through it. This isn’t going anywhere.
Beyond that, Alberta can’t seperate even if it wanted to. It’s not their land to seperate with. First Nations has a lot of pull here.
Remember, this separatist stuff is being coordinated by shady Americans that stole our data and want to steal our home as well.
The second Alberta leaves, the US will swoop in to annex us and we can say goodbye to our healthcare.
EDIT: Receipts
[https://pressprogress.ca/alberta-separatist-groups-controversial-voter-id-app-has-links-to-us-ambassador-maga-influencers-and-wealthy-michigan-republicans/](https://pressprogress.ca/alberta-separatist-groups-controversial-voter-id-app-has-links-to-us-ambassador-maga-influencers-and-wealthy-michigan-republicans/)
And yes for those unacquainted, the separatists DOXXED 7 million Albertans last week by turning a voter list into a publically searchable database of personal info.
This is such a clown show. Smith is desperately trying to have it both ways and now she’s pissed everyone off. Most Albertans are against this, but the seppies largely control the UCP.
I think the CBC segment “About that” did a great spot, [available on youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OT2IQSoVEs&t=1s), regarding Alberta separating.
It raised a lot of interesting questions beyond the Native American Treaties pre-dating Alberta as a province, and touched on things like federal assets and infrastructure, defense agreements, taxes, Albertian CCP contributions, passports, birth certificates, cross boarder transportation of goods, migration, and a thousand other bureaucratic nightmares that would have to be resolved for a legal separation to even be considered. I believe it even pointed out that the Canadian Supreme Court mentioned that even if there was a binding vote, which a referendum isn’t, the entire thing could die in the courts if there is no formal agreement between both parties; and that all the Canadian government had to really do was not agree to certain concessions or make their demands so outrageously high that Alberta could never meet them and it would never get concluded.
For anyone that didn’t read the article. About 300,000 people signed the petition. Assuming that’s all legit people from Alberta that’s about 6-7% of the population.
Alberta has no legal basis to separate since it is mostly treaty lands.
Well yeah Alberta has what, the third largest oil reserves on the planet? There’s no situation imaginable that the government would allow especially that province to secede without a civil war.
Yeah this is just straight up stupid. It will never happen.
Alberta is infected with posturing Internet Conservatives.
They’re angry about everything and want to destroy everything so they can say the government doesn’t work.
Similar to the arsonists currently occupying the White House.
This is money talking not people talking.
Unlimited political spending in the 🇺🇸 has destroyed the media landscape for the rest of the planet.
We are hooked on American slop.
Alberta, could you not?
As a British Columbian I feel like the neglected child with toxic parents who are talking about breaking up and sending me to stay with some random relative, and be completely cut off from my extended friends and family. No one is asking me how I feel.
Please don’t group all Albertans into this. As an Albertan, I’m deeply embarrassed by what’s happening.
There’s a group of people in this province whom have smoother brains than most, and the majority of Albertans are proudly Canadian first.
Seeing, hearing, and living next to all this seppie nonsense is exhausting. Smith needs to go, this ‘issue’ needs to go, and we need to just get back to being Canadian and living our lives without this BS.
Separatists just want to see the world burn; they don’t really have a solid plan if Alberta actually separates.
I don’t understand this tbh besides a money question. I spent many times in AB and enjoyed their canadian spirit and unique western vibe; i feel they are essential to canadian diversity . I hope they don’t leave. Canada isn’t perfect but it’s quite there. If they want to become a 51st state in this political climate i feel canadian won’t empathise withith them.
After brexit, why in the world would any country allow a piece of its self to vote on leaving the union? Given how prone these referendums are to misinformation and foreign influence you’d think that would be enough to table these. Voting is about enacting change through legislation, not bailing on the entire country.
So many dumb things with this ‘Separatist movement’.
1. It is well known that it was started and is continually funded by people in the US, so there is a lot more noise than actual interest.
2. Tons of legal issues trying to separate.
3. A ridiculous amount of economic issues for Alberta, especially being a landlocked location. Quebec at least has a coast line and even their movement was ridiculous.
4. Tons of circumstantial issues such as how would Alberta handle wildfires and disasters considering everything a town burns down all of Canada provides them support…
Just a truly stupid thing that is getting attention for the uneducated to ‘own the libs’.
Jo from Blonde Politics called it last year that IF there were to be some kind of thing happening in Canada, Alberta would be the first domino to fall. And while Quebec has calmed down with their separation rhetoric, Alberta “winning” this could spark a resurgence. And from there, it’s collapse.
Not saying this will happen, but the process by which it would happen starts with Alberta.
Putin is really giving Trump tips on how to do it.
A sci-fi scenario, but not too far-fetched: a military intervention by some party to save an oppressed population, a special military operation 2.0…
I’m joking, of course
Isn’t the MAGA way “if you don’t like it then leave”? If they want to be a part of the US so bad perhaps they should leave their country?
Alberta residents should take a trip to rural Oklahoma or Mississippi to see what solid conservative leadership does to you
This is literally how the war in Ukraine started.
Not Canadian but I have a shitload of MAGA family and this smells like conservative bullshit, sorry you guys are having to deal with this shit too
Time to federally investigate Albertan separatists.
Danielle Smith, was elected without separation anywhere in the platform she ran on. They have been told by 2 different courts that this separation vote is illegal, That they would need to involve the representatives from the first nations to which still hold the treaties with Canada not just Alberta.
Danielle Smith is a traitorous cancer that needs to be audited and investigated on the basis of foreign interference.
Its stupid that there is even a possibility for it to happen. It should be illegal for all provices to gain “independence”.
Fucking traitors the whole lot of them.
I truly don’t believe this is an original, native sentiment. Some GRU agent came up with the idea and they found some stoolies with a platform to echo it.
MMW A Trump-sponsored convoy of American yahoos will stream across into Alberta to vote for separation.
Seeing how absolutely moronic and backwards and ignorant these separatists are, just eating up all that foreign propaganda and lies without fact checking a single fucking thing their idea is based on: it makes me think there’s an amicable solution where we help the people that want to separate leave the country.
I propose we allow them to separate on an iceberg. We’ll even give it a good push out to sea so they can get far away from the country they’ve been convinced to hate so much.
At a certain point, when your stupidity is being weaponized against your own people by foreign actors, there just isn’t room for empathy anymore. You need to be treated like the threat to your people that you have become.
https://globalnews.ca/video/11837972/foreign-actors-creating-false-content-about-alberta-separatism-study-finds
It’s not a separation vote, it’s a vote for a *maybe* vote at an undefined point in the future if ever.
Oh, are we back at pointless referendums, I feel like a kid again.
Alberta is such an egotistical wannabe like what a bore
51st state talk again?
That would be kinda weird wouldn’t it? Canada, Canada, Canada, the independent Alberta Free State… then more Canada, Canada, Canada…
Like, just from a geographical standpoint, isn’t it kind of hard to secede from a country you’re almost completely surrounded by?
As soon as Alberta Separates, the US will just invade and take over the oil. They will have no military, and that way they don’t have to invade Canada.
Win win for them.
Alberts is stronger with Canada. We used to roast Quebec for wanting to separate. It’s ridiculous to think Alberta can survive without support of neighboring provinces (and territory).
Isn’t Alberta where the oil is. I mean, just a coincidence of course.
I don’t really understand how Albertans think that separating form Canada would be economically beneficial. They will be relying on exports of their natural resources, mainly oil, but they are landlocked and surrounded by Canada and the US. This dramatically limits the numbers of buyers for Alberta’s exports to mainly Canada and the US. Alberta can negotiate with Canada and the US to allow them to use their ports and free passage of goods to get access to other buyers and markets, but Canada and the US is probably going to tax these goods at high rates when entering their border. Furthermore, Alberta will now need to be in charge of their on military, trade, economic policies. On trade and economic policies, it will be hard to negotiate with Canada and the US because Alberta have little leverage because again, they are landlocked between Canada and the US.
that trip to russia trump took in the 80s really had some implications nobody saw coming…
They can all leave fuck em, but they don’t get to take our land with them.