Referendum to be held on October 19
Yes means approval to hold a binding referendum on independence
No means stay in Canada
This "referendum on having a referendum" was chosen so that some sort of sovereignty referendum could be held without needing to meet certain legal hurdles, such as consulting First Nations
This poll is the best result for Yes so far
Posted by Christian-Rep-Perisa
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Yet another reminder that land does not vote and these are misleading images.
Alberta rednecks in action. I’ve lived in Alberta, and those idiots are the dumbest people I’ve ever met. They are DUMBER than the MAGA Morons down south even, and that’s saying a lot.
AI map?? those aren’t the municipalities or census divisions
What I find EXTREMELY alarming is how rapidly the “yes” metric is ticking up. Check out [338’s tracker](https://338canada.com/alberta/polls-indy.htm). 20% at the beginning of the year (prior to all the global attention) and now around 35%. It’s only going to go up, not because Albertans want to genuinely separate, but because all the wealth and influence in the world is converging to make it happen. Scary, scary, scary…
Remember that week when Twitter enabled you to see where accounts are registered from? So so many of these Alberta Independece sockpuppet accounts were from other countries. These is literally the same playbook Putin used to claim Crimea. American influence is involved in propping up these yahoos.
And a quick reminder land doesn’t vote
These Canadian electoral maps are looking more American
O detestable geography based political maps. They give the impression that low-densitt large-area ridings are dominant, and when a vote goes the other way due to urban votes, it seems that the rural were cheated. “Look at all that Green. How did the Red win? Someone cheated.” Maps using equal sized ridings, but distorted geography is far more relevant and accurate.
How much of their economy would they have to suddenly geopolitically negotiate for if this went Yes over the years.
It’s always the poor losers in shitty towns that think they’ll be rich without the rest of the country. I say this as a dude in a shitty town haha
What the hell goes on in Calgary?
We should just let every province in Canada and state in US pick “US” or “Canada” and I think we’ll all actually be happy with the results.
WHAT?!?! But Twitter told me that Calgary is a firm Yes stronghold! How could this be?!?!? /s
A sample size of EIGHT HUNDRED??? Angus Reid needs to fuck all the way off
False
Such a waste of time and energy for something that will never happen.
*Laughs in Québec*
Un score de débutant (Rookie numbers)
This map badly needs color density to reflect population density. I suspect the 12 people living in some of those green areas are being overrepresented by the current scheme.
800 person sample size of a population of around 5 million. That is like.. an impressively low number to make a graph about. It’s embarrassing that this would be something you’d want to show people as a way to garner support.
People from cold lake area voting yes is really stupid.
this is so far off what “MapPorn” is meant to be
Traitors plain and simple. How do these idiots think an independent alberta would even function without quickly losing that independence to the USA. How can they not see they are being played by outside agitators and grifters ?
Remember polling bias usually shows the minority opinion leading, if people believe they are the majority they are less likely to partake in polls.
This map is false, or has serious issues. For example, take the urban areas. The zoomed in version of Red Deer shows it completely red, but on the larger, it is surrounded by green, with no red nearby. Similar issues with Lethbridge and Calgary. More, it’s conducted only online with a sample size of 800!
AI slop map
I’d put it at 20% or less if you exclude a) the bandwagon jumpers who may not even vote and b) the people who have no clue but want to say they are pissed off with the status quo, and c) those who have no idea what hardships and cost will be involved in a move to separate. The 20% are like hobbyists or members of a club who bond over 50-year old grievances.
1) These are not real constituency boundaries.
2) You have Strathcona, which is the most progressive part of the province (NDP received 82.3% of the vote in the last election), as “lean no”.
3) You have areas relatively close to downtown Calgary like Elbow as “Yes”?
So, only the cities are sane. Maybe, Alberta should invest in quality education for everyone in the province.
I’m literally red green colour blind – why do people do this !!!!
Edmonton and Calgary could have their own referendum to leave the new Country of Alberta and rejoin Canada.
If only they had some kind of catchy campaign word like “Vote yes to OutBerta”
I don’t know what the point of having this referendum is if there is such a strong opposition to it already. At least with Quebec and the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, they were both close votes and could’ve conceivably gone the other way.
New Zealander here, and 2 genuine questions.
a) When you say “to hold a binding referendum” above, that’s binding on who?
The govt of Alberta to “attempt to leave Canada” or the “govt of Canada to accept the result?”
AND
b) Do Albertans want to be an independent country OR do they want to join the USA?
(I am assuming the last point won’t be on the referendum paper)
I respectfully disagree with the last sentence for two reasons:
I. The same firm had similar scores for a straight-up Yes vs No question on separation just after the election last year. *As a general rule, Angus Reid has tended to be kinder to the Alberta separatists than most other firms*
II. The same poll showed that if the question became a straight-up Yes vs No question on separation, the Yes declined to 30% and the No rose to 67%.
The poll isn’t necessarily better than what other firms gave the separatists before the voting list leak; it is merely the first to poll a question that makes it easier for voters to feel like they can send a message without too many consequences by voting for a binding referendum, and then just vote No in that referendum.
Mind you, based on the aforementioned higher numbers for the separatists in Angus Reid, I do expect others to get lower numbers on both versions of a separation question when they provide their first post-voting list leak numbers.
I’m a proud Canadian who wants to stay Canadian, and I’m also Albertan
Yeah, this tracks. Support for separation is concentrated in the very isolated and rural parts of the province, where there are no major highways connecting to any of our cities. Almost everyone else is opposed.
Just want to point out sample size 800 participants but somehow they have this much detail. I would be cautious in taking this factually.