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    1. Being humiliated requires someone to feel shame. So I very much doubt the premise.

      The US propagandamachine will spin this as a win and americans will just put this in their long list of military victories like Afghanistan and Vietnam.

    2. Coolerguy317 on

      I think the lessons from the fighting are fairly universal. Cheap precision weapons, drones, dispersed infrastructure, and constant ISR make denial and defense much more effective than many people expected. As seen in Ukraine as well.

      Beyond that I think it’s fair to say Iran forced the US into a corner. But let’s not go too far. Iran didn’t force America out of the Gulf nobody stepped in to stop the US and none of americas major structural advantages really changed. People were already trending toward anti interventionism before this war. Beyond that what actually changed?

    3. Elevated-Hype on

      I’m sure there will be the usual predictable takes based on the headline, but the articles most interesting point was on the MOU and how it described it as something “both sides intend to break”. The article if you read it at times took an unserious tone about the viability of the MOU and how it gives both sides an excuse to stop fighting and be bound by “vague terms” instead of precise ones.

      So if that is true, are some of these assumptions on the final terms premature? What exactly will the U.S. and Iran be discussing that wasn’t covered in the MOU and how could the final deal look different? Overall a good article but I was somewhat surprised by the slight tone shift. I also wonder what the chances are of reaching a final deal without someone breaking the terms.

    4. DefinitelyNotMeee on

      “Trump bad” again. Good karma farming, though. I’d suggest posting this in /politics and /pics for a massive amount of “totally organic” upvotes.

    5. TheRationalPsychotic on

      This article is humiliating Trump. Do they want the war to continue? Dangerous.