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    Zelensky said that Budanov and Kyslytsia went to Poland to resolve the issue with the order

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    1. brainerazer on

      Details : According to Zelensky, immediately after the Polish President’s statements about his intentions to revoke the order, his team began active negotiations with explanations, but this did not change Karol Nawrocki’s position.

      “The head of my office and the first deputy, Budanov and Kyslytsia, said: ‘We want to fly, we will resolve the issue with the Poles – with Karol’s administration.’ I said that ‘you will not resolve this, in my opinion, because I see this as exclusively an electoral process that has already begun,'” Zelensky said.

      He added that “the guys went,” talked to everyone – “the president’s office, the prime minister’s team, the speaker’s team,” and generally “tried to do everything,” but returned with the feeling that Navrotsky would still take the order.

      “I suggested that we meet with the Polish president. I said let’s hold a conference. The Polish president then takes the next step – saying that Ukraine has no place in Europe because it is bad for the Polish farmer. He is saying this for what – to then put pressure on Tusk, block the cluster. These are related things,” Zelensky said.

      He is convinced that his meeting with Prime Minister Donald Tusk “in no way influenced the Polish president” and his decision.

      Zelensky added that during the presidency of Andrzej Duda, there was very good cooperation between Ukraine and Poland and that the presidents had “very special relations” at that time, against the backdrop of the great assistance that Poland provided to Ukraine.

      “But we live from attack to attack. We don’t live from ‘thank you to thank you,'” the president added, referring to the accusations that Ukraine “does not show gratitude” to Poland.

      Zelensky reminded that Ukrainians are now defending Poland and Europe, not vice versa. He also emphasized that it is the Ukrainian soldiers, and not he as the president, who choose a name for themselves and ask to be assigned a specific name.

      According to Zelensky, he signed hundreds of similar decrees during the war, and never once gave the fighters “his” name, never said what he liked or didn’t like, because he believes that as the head of state he should support the armed forces of his country.

    2. Makilio on

      Just seems like more domestic posturing. This is a remarkably simple dispute for Zelensky to resolve – just revoke the name. If Nawrocki maintains his position after that, then Zelensky’s claims will have some strong validity, but until then it all seems like nonsense.

    3. Agreeable-Natural903 on

      Poles hating UPA is nothing new, Nawrocki didn’t act in a vacuum.

      Passing the blame on the soldiers for choosing the controversial name is weird:

      1) if the name is wrong and should be fixed: he can do something about it as the commander in chief and the president
      2) if the name isn’t wrong and nothing should be fixed: stand your ground instead of passing it on to the soldiers

    4. Stahwel on

      I’m a little confused here. Ukrainians approached the “negotiations” unwilling to change the unit’s name, Nawrocki approached them unwilling to accept it. What’s here to have a conversation about?

    6. Nano_needle on

      >”The head of my office and the first deputy, Budanov and Kyslytsia, said: ‘We want to fly, we will resolve the issue with the Poles – with Karol’s administration.’ I said that ‘you will not resolve this, in my opinion, because I see this as exclusively an electoral process that has already begun,'” Zelensky said.

      I am honestly getting tired of this motion that “Poles do X only because of elections!” Like we don’t have a right to be outraged by glorification of genociders and Nazi collaborators that exterminated a huge number of Polish people in a very brutal manner.

      Also I somehow doubt that Ukrainians wanted to “resolve the issue” since order was revoked from Zalensky a lot of other Ukrainian politicians also returned their medals. It looks more like an escalation if anything else.

    7. niemacotuwpisac on

      I won’t turn up my nose, but he was there for about two weeks from the beginning of the scandal, not to mention that if he hadn’t broken the backstage agreement not to give military units such titles like “UPA Heroes”.

      [I remind all, the UPA is responsible for the genocide of Jews, Poles, Lemkos, Boykos, other Ruthenians and even some Ukrainians].

      The milk was spilled. The orders were returned by post. And now he’s accusing President Nawrocki of being like “Vikot Organ.” Even if you don’t like Nawrocki, and I don’t and think he shouldn’t be president, he acted truthfully and relatively correctly, and he’s certainly not “Vitkor Orban” (at least not currently).

      Oh, Ukraine and Zelensky have made a huge mistake, but now it’s impacting Polish society, and they probably don’t realize there’s no real way to reverse it. They’ll just shoot themselves in the foot.

    9. Suriael on

      So they went to Poland, said that child killers will still be worshipped, got surprised that Snusollini didn’t like it, and went home. Truly the diplomacy on Trump’s level.

    11. NatiFluffy on

      I thought that idea that Ukraine is defending Poland and Europe was supposed to motivate Ukraine’s allies to give them more support. And I was okay with that. The problem is that Ukrainians seriously seem to believe that that this is us who rely on their military and otherwise we would be finished, cause we are weak. Sorry but this isn’t healthy.

    12. StrangerExistingFact on

      Nobody questioning crimes that Mussolini and Hirohito commited at the same time as UPA?

      Mussolini and Hirohito given Order of the White Eagle

      Zelensky bad boy?

      Putin approved, Karol Nawrocki likes

    13. Scary_Woodpecker_110 on

      I think honestly the Ukrainians do not understand the significance to the Volhyn genocide on the Polish. My grandmother lost *everything* during/after WW2 in the Polish part of Ukraine. When she came back after the war she found her family’s farm property (of which she was the sole beneficiary) built over by Ukrainian immigrants from the east. They drove all the polish out and killed around 100k. Mostly women and children.

      People also don’t understand that cities like Lwow, Stanisławów, etc…. are just polish cities

      As long as the Ukrainians don’t go for a acknowledgement of this, there will be issues.

    14. PalmovyyKozak on

      The problem with Poles as they are taught twisted history: like their ancestors were peaceful farmers living in Poland and then evil Ukrainians suddenly attacked them and kill 10,000,000,000 peaceful Polish farmers.

      Like centuries of occupation Poland over Ukraine didn’t exist. Like humiliating, torturing, killing and exploiting Ukrainians by Poles didn’t exist. Like special prisons in western Ukrainian cities established by Poles for Ukrainian freedom fighters didn’t exist.

      Ukrainians didn’t fight in Poland. They fought against Polish occupants in Ukraine.

      You guys were (and some of you still are) colonisators and Nazi and you got a response colonisators and Nazi deserve.

      Don’t occupy other countries, won’t cry about exhumation problems.

      Very simple concept, isn’t it?

    15. a_dolf_in on

      Here is my take, you can take it for whatever you want really.

      Given the fact that “Ukranian Nazis” was and still is one of the main talking points on the russian side of the conflict, then one of the first things ukraine should have done is completely nipped this in the bud. To take away all the ammunition the opposition could have regarding this topic.

      But they did not do it. There will be a lot of people claiming “they are in the middle of a war, they don’t have time to do X and Y”

      However, they somehow seem to have more than enough time to hold parades on Bandera’s birthday, rebury nazi collaborators, name units after the UPA, etc.

      So not only did Ukraine not remove or combat the problem before it got as big as it is now, Ukraine has actively helped it get to this point.

      And we can’t ignore this, and more people need to demand concrete steps from ukraine being done against the glorification of the UPA and other nazi collaborators. Because if we don’t…

      Didn’t everyone on this sub whine when a croatian nazi musician had half a million people at his concert a while back?

      Except in the case of ukraine it will be worse. It will be a country, heavily armed, with many far right groups around who will no doubt end up in some sort of militias. And if they end up in the EU, these people will be free to move around in the EU. Even before the war there were many cases – cases everyone has conveniently forgotten about – of far right lunatics going to Ukraine to train using weapons, tactics, fighting, etc. What will it be like after the war?