As have most landlords of rural pubs for generations.
DanasWifePowerSlap on
Very long article but not a single mention of wage or salary and we all know why. The industry is obviously suffering from increased costs but every pub I’ve ever worked in paid peanuts and expected you to be sociable and hardworking at the same time all whilst getting paid minimum wage.
Particular_Wave_8567 on
Hahahah why can I not get a part time job at uni then. Am I that bad??
Rechno_ on
People will come and blame business owners, but not many would pay £10 for their beers so that all waiters have a proper living wage.
The problem here is the fact that people are in poverty while working full time.
Sensitive_Phone_1968 on
Definitely something a family would benefit from, family business you don’t get these same headaches, this is why Indians, Pakistani and Chinese communities are thriving because they operate businesses with very low overheads, have all family members run the businesses so no worries about staff and paying high wages pension schemes etc.
Castle_112 on
“loved coming to work and meeting the customers.”
I’d love coming to work too if I knew that my hard graft would lead to decent pay and conditions. But, it wouldn’t. Its no mystery why these business owners love customers coming in – it directly translates to more money in their pockets. By why would a worker work shit hours in a shit role for shit pay over the weekend?
That perspective is entirely missing from this article. It’s a series of business owners lamenting the lack of cheap staff without interviewing any potential staff for this article.
DrCrazyFishMan1 on
“Staff shortages” is just the opposite side of the “shit wages” coin…
If you can’t hire people, it’s because you’re not paying enough
JayR_97 on
Let me guess, he’s offering minimum wage and wondering why he’s struggling to hire?
1995LexusLS400 on
As of October 2024, there are 1.51 million unemployed people in the UK. There is no staff shortages. There are wage shortages. No one wants to work a job for a wage where they can’t support themselves.
Where I live to be able to support yourself financially, you need to earn £2600 a month net. On a 40 hour work week, that’s £16.25/hr net. Gross, it’s £3200 a month or £20/hr. Sometimes it financially makes more sense to not work and live off benefits than it is to work a minimum wage job.
Judy_Hopps__ on
Trash wages, antisocial work hours, interacting with antisocial drunks at times.
Yeha no wonder
ALA02 on
“I reject 100 people a day because they don’t have 10 years experience and willing to do 3 people’s jobs for minimum wage”
There, fixed it for you
Friendly_Fall_ on
There are more people than jobs, and plenty that could work in a pub. They can no longer afford to live on shit pay with rents and the cheapest foods doubling in price in the last few years. Have the wages doubled? How about double the wage and see if someone wants to work this particular shitty job.
HussingtonHat on
….if no one wants to work your bar, I’m just gonna assume you pay fuck all.
SiteWhole7575 on
“Mr Chapman said many hotels and restaurant he knew of were working hard to make their jobs more flexible and he wanted more people to consider hospitality as a “carer” rather than a short-term job.”
Oh dear.
Inevitable_Bid_6827 on
Used to run Stonegate Pubs for 4 years and a Wetherspoons pub. It’s not a staff shortage it’s without a doubt a pay shortage.
When I’ve got to be flexible, sacrifice time with my family, all my holidays lost behind a line, barely get the time off I request and barely fortunate to have ALL my hours paid in full, you really think there is anything in the pub industry keeping people there?
The only ‘career’ you can have is becoming a GM for 35k. Otherwise you’ll be offered minimum wage or the equivalent to a £1 extra max as management. KMs and AMs on 27.6k in this day and age, being forced to work 48 hours NO TIME IN LIEU NO OVERTIME NO EXTRA NO NOTHING. The industry is built to abuse younger staff, that’s why Pub work is referenced as a ‘young man’s game’.
Seeing articles like this makes me glad I’m out. I spent years trying to ‘progress’ in an industry that is brain dead, but I enjoyed managing a team of people. The pay is and will always be the biggest issue, the pub companies know this but they will always use the excuse of “labour is our biggest cost” to cut hours and demand you make more sales.
Fuck pubs
ONE_deedat on
This is why high streets are now full of empty shops. People don’t wanna work, wanna live a leisure lifestyle. The more generations you have in this country, the more this is true.
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As have most landlords of rural pubs for generations.
Very long article but not a single mention of wage or salary and we all know why. The industry is obviously suffering from increased costs but every pub I’ve ever worked in paid peanuts and expected you to be sociable and hardworking at the same time all whilst getting paid minimum wage.
Hahahah why can I not get a part time job at uni then. Am I that bad??
People will come and blame business owners, but not many would pay £10 for their beers so that all waiters have a proper living wage.
The problem here is the fact that people are in poverty while working full time.
Definitely something a family would benefit from, family business you don’t get these same headaches, this is why Indians, Pakistani and Chinese communities are thriving because they operate businesses with very low overheads, have all family members run the businesses so no worries about staff and paying high wages pension schemes etc.
“loved coming to work and meeting the customers.”
I’d love coming to work too if I knew that my hard graft would lead to decent pay and conditions. But, it wouldn’t. Its no mystery why these business owners love customers coming in – it directly translates to more money in their pockets. By why would a worker work shit hours in a shit role for shit pay over the weekend?
That perspective is entirely missing from this article. It’s a series of business owners lamenting the lack of cheap staff without interviewing any potential staff for this article.
“Staff shortages” is just the opposite side of the “shit wages” coin…
If you can’t hire people, it’s because you’re not paying enough
Let me guess, he’s offering minimum wage and wondering why he’s struggling to hire?
As of October 2024, there are 1.51 million unemployed people in the UK. There is no staff shortages. There are wage shortages. No one wants to work a job for a wage where they can’t support themselves.
Where I live to be able to support yourself financially, you need to earn £2600 a month net. On a 40 hour work week, that’s £16.25/hr net. Gross, it’s £3200 a month or £20/hr. Sometimes it financially makes more sense to not work and live off benefits than it is to work a minimum wage job.
Trash wages, antisocial work hours, interacting with antisocial drunks at times.
Yeha no wonder
“I reject 100 people a day because they don’t have 10 years experience and willing to do 3 people’s jobs for minimum wage”
There, fixed it for you
There are more people than jobs, and plenty that could work in a pub. They can no longer afford to live on shit pay with rents and the cheapest foods doubling in price in the last few years. Have the wages doubled? How about double the wage and see if someone wants to work this particular shitty job.
….if no one wants to work your bar, I’m just gonna assume you pay fuck all.
“Mr Chapman said many hotels and restaurant he knew of were working hard to make their jobs more flexible and he wanted more people to consider hospitality as a “carer” rather than a short-term job.”
Oh dear.
Used to run Stonegate Pubs for 4 years and a Wetherspoons pub. It’s not a staff shortage it’s without a doubt a pay shortage.
When I’ve got to be flexible, sacrifice time with my family, all my holidays lost behind a line, barely get the time off I request and barely fortunate to have ALL my hours paid in full, you really think there is anything in the pub industry keeping people there?
The only ‘career’ you can have is becoming a GM for 35k. Otherwise you’ll be offered minimum wage or the equivalent to a £1 extra max as management. KMs and AMs on 27.6k in this day and age, being forced to work 48 hours NO TIME IN LIEU NO OVERTIME NO EXTRA NO NOTHING. The industry is built to abuse younger staff, that’s why Pub work is referenced as a ‘young man’s game’.
Seeing articles like this makes me glad I’m out. I spent years trying to ‘progress’ in an industry that is brain dead, but I enjoyed managing a team of people. The pay is and will always be the biggest issue, the pub companies know this but they will always use the excuse of “labour is our biggest cost” to cut hours and demand you make more sales.
Fuck pubs
This is why high streets are now full of empty shops. People don’t wanna work, wanna live a leisure lifestyle. The more generations you have in this country, the more this is true.