They might as well have been threatening to send migrants to the Moon.
oculariasolaria on
Lo, ye inhabitants of this isle, hear now the words from my lips, delivered with righteous wrath! I am Sir Keir Starmer, a man anointed with the mantle of governance, and behold! I shall make plain my works unto thee. With my left hand, I deporteth a hundred, yea, I send them forth with haste. And with my right, I fling wide the gates that thousands may enter therein. Tell me, O ye plebeians, how dost thou relish this trickery? For verily, I say unto thee, it is a feat most wondrous to behold!
What, dost thou believe my heart is moved by thy weeping or thy cries for justice? Fools! The groaning of the multitude is but a clamor to mine ears. Let the weak and simple-minded weep for Rwanda and its vain schemes, those empty promises fashioned by knaves and dreamers. But I? I am a man of deeds, and my ledger overfloweth with numbers! Sixteen thousand and four hundred souls hath been plucked from our midst and cast out into the outer darkness where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth — a harvest richer than in seven long years past. Is this not enough for thee?
Nay, but still ye murmur!
For what is a deterrent if not the rod and the sword? I have seized upon the heads of serpents, the smugglers of men, and I have crushed their skulls beneath my heel. Their gold and silver, yea, even their hidden treasures, I have laid hold of, that none may profit from their wicked craft. And the false shepherds, those who lure the flock into perilous waters, I have driven into darkness. But ye, ungrateful throng, clamor yet for more!
Dost thou yearn for numbers, mere statistics to feed thy shallow minds? Then hear and mark this truth: Of those returned, many hastened to depart of their own will, for terror took hold upon them. And the strong — those defiant, those hardened — were seized with a mighty hand and thrust into the abyss. Is it not written, “He who cannot be swayed shall be driven”?
Yet still, ye gnash your teeth, bewailing that but a fraction came by the boats of death. Know ye not that a man of vision sees beyond the shores? I lay my net wide, and in its grasp are gathered the foreign deceivers, the breakers of our law, the harbingers of chaos. I cleave unto justice, not unto the narrow path of tribal reckoning.
Oh, ye accusers, ye children of deceit, ye purveyors of half-truths and unwholesome fables — let Chris Philp and his ilk, those blind guides, rail against me! For they speak with forked tongues, as serpents in the thicket, crying out, “Rwanda! Rwanda!” as if the mere whisper of that land would stay the tempest. Fools and liars!
For what is the true deterrent? Is it not the sword of swift return? Is it not the fear of losing all gain? See, then, my mighty hand at work, and tremble, for the gangs are broken, the pathways closed, and the profit dried up like a stream in the wilderness. I have made the barren lands of crime to bloom with justice, and still thou art not content.
So tarry not in thy complaints, O my detractors. Gaze upon my works and despair, for I shall march on, unmoved by the wailing of babes or the trembling of the faint-hearted. The great game is afoot, and I, the master of stratagems, shall lead thee forward whether thou wilt or no!
Amen.
AcademicIncrease8080 on
The best deterrent would be to have a zero tolerance approach to all illegal migrants arriving via dinghies run by gangsters operating out of Calais, an automatic _”everybody who arrives this route gets deported”_ would reduce numbers doing the route to zero because it would no longer be worth it. Until you change those incentives it will remain incredibly lucrative for the smugglers because lots of economic migrants are willing to spend the large sums needed.
We could then exclusively take vetted refugees directly from UN refugee camps in warzones and failed states like Haiti, Sudan Congo, Gaza – that we we could know for sure who we are allowing in as refugees and that they are from actual refugee camps (I would suggest a sensible fixed annual number e.g. 15,000 women and children per year).
Communalbuttplug on
Apparently the British goverment in India decided to start paying people to bring them dead snakes.
At first it seemed like a good idea until the realised instead of getting rid of them they had created a financial incentive to produce more.
We see time and time again people who are deported just do it all again. Even if they fail once or twice it’s worth it eventually for them.
All we will see now is smugglers offering deals where if you get deported they will offer a reduced rate for your next attempt.
The-Furry-Circle on
Quite a sensible article for The Times, they clearly don’t wish to go the way of the Telegraph.
Also, it seems that this week has seen a marked increase in good, and dignified, responses from the government, making some of the accusations against them look extremely infantile
LonelyStranger8467 on
If you can figure out how to deport the nationalities that are actually coming via small boats, sure. So far we pretty much only remove Albanians, who for them it is worth it because they get a few years working in the drug trade. It’s a working holiday visa for them. Many repeatedly return.
First you have to stop granting them asylum.
Then you have to actually remove them.
No good removing Nigerians and then telling Kurds, Afghans and Eritreans that you shouldn’t come here.
Woden-Wod on
Oh My god the Home office doing their job actually works who would’ve thought.
Alarming-Guard-4747 on
Every single article on immigration most of the comments act like small boats are 90% of 900,000 net migration when they don’t even make up 30% of asylum applications.
It’s shocking how terribly misinformed people who are seemingly very politically active are and how ignorance can be weaponised to fuel hate and anger.
The UK needs immigrants because we have a declining birth rate. A political party should just be honest about this. You can either have less immigrants or you can have a state pension because that is the reality. If you have less workers than you have pensioners then the country will just decline and decline.
pajamakitten on
It is a start, however there will need to be more deterrents than just an increased risk of deportation. If the migrants think they will be able to hide successfully then they will still try to get here. Those coming in boats need to be made aware that they face far more serious consequences than being returned home.
Puzzleheaded_Act7155 on
The problem is frankly unwinnable for the govt. they could return every single one from boats and still people will not believe them because they will still see “foreigners” on their streets.
snakeshake1337 on
I know of someone who was deported and returned illegally within 2 weeks, these numbers might sound good but without fixing the underlying issues it’s meaningless and a waste of money.
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Rwanda didn’t even pass the laugh test.
They might as well have been threatening to send migrants to the Moon.
Lo, ye inhabitants of this isle, hear now the words from my lips, delivered with righteous wrath! I am Sir Keir Starmer, a man anointed with the mantle of governance, and behold! I shall make plain my works unto thee. With my left hand, I deporteth a hundred, yea, I send them forth with haste. And with my right, I fling wide the gates that thousands may enter therein. Tell me, O ye plebeians, how dost thou relish this trickery? For verily, I say unto thee, it is a feat most wondrous to behold!
What, dost thou believe my heart is moved by thy weeping or thy cries for justice? Fools! The groaning of the multitude is but a clamor to mine ears. Let the weak and simple-minded weep for Rwanda and its vain schemes, those empty promises fashioned by knaves and dreamers. But I? I am a man of deeds, and my ledger overfloweth with numbers! Sixteen thousand and four hundred souls hath been plucked from our midst and cast out into the outer darkness where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth — a harvest richer than in seven long years past. Is this not enough for thee?
Nay, but still ye murmur!
For what is a deterrent if not the rod and the sword? I have seized upon the heads of serpents, the smugglers of men, and I have crushed their skulls beneath my heel. Their gold and silver, yea, even their hidden treasures, I have laid hold of, that none may profit from their wicked craft. And the false shepherds, those who lure the flock into perilous waters, I have driven into darkness. But ye, ungrateful throng, clamor yet for more!
Dost thou yearn for numbers, mere statistics to feed thy shallow minds? Then hear and mark this truth: Of those returned, many hastened to depart of their own will, for terror took hold upon them. And the strong — those defiant, those hardened — were seized with a mighty hand and thrust into the abyss. Is it not written, “He who cannot be swayed shall be driven”?
Yet still, ye gnash your teeth, bewailing that but a fraction came by the boats of death. Know ye not that a man of vision sees beyond the shores? I lay my net wide, and in its grasp are gathered the foreign deceivers, the breakers of our law, the harbingers of chaos. I cleave unto justice, not unto the narrow path of tribal reckoning.
Oh, ye accusers, ye children of deceit, ye purveyors of half-truths and unwholesome fables — let Chris Philp and his ilk, those blind guides, rail against me! For they speak with forked tongues, as serpents in the thicket, crying out, “Rwanda! Rwanda!” as if the mere whisper of that land would stay the tempest. Fools and liars!
For what is the true deterrent? Is it not the sword of swift return? Is it not the fear of losing all gain? See, then, my mighty hand at work, and tremble, for the gangs are broken, the pathways closed, and the profit dried up like a stream in the wilderness. I have made the barren lands of crime to bloom with justice, and still thou art not content.
So tarry not in thy complaints, O my detractors. Gaze upon my works and despair, for I shall march on, unmoved by the wailing of babes or the trembling of the faint-hearted. The great game is afoot, and I, the master of stratagems, shall lead thee forward whether thou wilt or no!
Amen.
The best deterrent would be to have a zero tolerance approach to all illegal migrants arriving via dinghies run by gangsters operating out of Calais, an automatic _”everybody who arrives this route gets deported”_ would reduce numbers doing the route to zero because it would no longer be worth it. Until you change those incentives it will remain incredibly lucrative for the smugglers because lots of economic migrants are willing to spend the large sums needed.
We could then exclusively take vetted refugees directly from UN refugee camps in warzones and failed states like Haiti, Sudan Congo, Gaza – that we we could know for sure who we are allowing in as refugees and that they are from actual refugee camps (I would suggest a sensible fixed annual number e.g. 15,000 women and children per year).
Apparently the British goverment in India decided to start paying people to bring them dead snakes.
At first it seemed like a good idea until the realised instead of getting rid of them they had created a financial incentive to produce more.
We see time and time again people who are deported just do it all again. Even if they fail once or twice it’s worth it eventually for them.
All we will see now is smugglers offering deals where if you get deported they will offer a reduced rate for your next attempt.
Quite a sensible article for The Times, they clearly don’t wish to go the way of the Telegraph.
Also, it seems that this week has seen a marked increase in good, and dignified, responses from the government, making some of the accusations against them look extremely infantile
If you can figure out how to deport the nationalities that are actually coming via small boats, sure. So far we pretty much only remove Albanians, who for them it is worth it because they get a few years working in the drug trade. It’s a working holiday visa for them. Many repeatedly return.
First you have to stop granting them asylum.
Then you have to actually remove them.
No good removing Nigerians and then telling Kurds, Afghans and Eritreans that you shouldn’t come here.
Oh My god the Home office doing their job actually works who would’ve thought.
Every single article on immigration most of the comments act like small boats are 90% of 900,000 net migration when they don’t even make up 30% of asylum applications.
It’s shocking how terribly misinformed people who are seemingly very politically active are and how ignorance can be weaponised to fuel hate and anger.
The UK needs immigrants because we have a declining birth rate. A political party should just be honest about this. You can either have less immigrants or you can have a state pension because that is the reality. If you have less workers than you have pensioners then the country will just decline and decline.
It is a start, however there will need to be more deterrents than just an increased risk of deportation. If the migrants think they will be able to hide successfully then they will still try to get here. Those coming in boats need to be made aware that they face far more serious consequences than being returned home.
The problem is frankly unwinnable for the govt. they could return every single one from boats and still people will not believe them because they will still see “foreigners” on their streets.
I know of someone who was deported and returned illegally within 2 weeks, these numbers might sound good but without fixing the underlying issues it’s meaningless and a waste of money.