> Government officials are now understood to be considering tightening rules around what proof is required to receive disability payments and **examining potential alternatives to PIP.**
Sounds like the Tory Green Paper is about to be implemented no matter how negative the responses to it were
BigSignature8045 on
Part of the problem with the benefits system is low wages.
Nobody ever is willing to say this. A lot of people on benefits are in employment but are not paid enough and the state has to top these wages up. Essentially, the state is subsidising wealthy companies by allowing them to pay less.
There are areas where tax could be raised – wealthy companies (and people) use tax loopholes to avoid paying tax. Those loopholes, especially for the likes of Amazon, could be plugged pretty easily if the chancellor set her mind to it.
There is a constant narrative of people on benefits eating big bags of crisps and watching telly all day rather than working. In actual fact, a life on benefits is pretty poor and dispiriting and the entire system is wretched.
What about the huge waste of money by the DWP ? Paying dead people pensions/benefits, spending huge amounts of money to conceal what they’re doing by fighting FOI requests, spending more huge sums in trying to defend indefensible cases that people bring against them…
EdmundTheInsulter on
Will asylum seekers have to pay it on their hotels?
ItsDominare on
Another anonymous “Whitehall source” and article full of speculation. You have to go quite far down to find anyone talking sense:
> Cross-bench peer Lord Jim O’Neill told LBC there needs to be a halt to the use of “emotive language” around the current borrowing figures.
> “I think it needs to be put into some perspective about what’s happening in the world as a whole,” he told Ian Dale.
> “The pound has not fallen since the budget, other than against the same strengthening dollar that has strengthened against everything else.
> “The pound against the euro is the same today as it was on budget day… the pound has hardly moved against the Yen, so the commonality is that everything has weakened against the dollar.”
Hardly the “economic crisis” government opponents are trying to paint it as, is it?
parkway_parkway on
This government only has small answers to big questions.
SumptuousRageBait1 on
My solution would be to restrict any sort of benefit to people who have been in the country for less than 10 years. If that is unfair they can leave.
Previous_Recipe4275 on
It’s surprising to hear there’s any hotels left to tax and they are not all being used to house and feed healthy working aged men
tebbus on
Change the economic fundamentals of the country. This tinkering around the edges to find 20bn here and there while sending millions of working Brits on universal credit off a cliff ain’t it.
Shazalamadingdong on
I was rejected for PIP twice, despite having a valid reason for trying to claim it. Meanwhile, my brother who is more able-bodied than me and can afford a car, gets it. Someone in my building who has a side business he doesn’t declare (I’ve mentioned it on Reddit before and had my post deleted even though it’s the truth, something to do with snorting) gets it and Mobility. The criteria for PIP is clearly not applied evenly. Things need fixing…
… Meanwhile, Rachel and all the other politicians get paid rather nicely, have plenty of nice perks, they even get plenty of freebies, as we all well know. Are they, or any of their rich friends, going to be helping out this time?
Something tells me the answer is the same as it usually always is. 😐
Something also tells me that someone will come along and try to justify it by starting with, “But the rich pay….” blah blah fucking blah.
Emotional-Ebb8321 on
Proposal: A tax on companies that a) employs 100 or more people across the country, and b) has ten or more of them receiving Universal Credit or other “low-wage top-up” form of social security. Essentially, a tax on companies that underpay their staff in order to cover the cost to the government of topping up those wages.
(The 100+ employee threshold is to avoid weakening small businesses; we should encourage these to grow.)
YaGanache1248 on
Ffs. All she needs to do is close tax loopholes for foreign big businesses (Amazon, Starbucks, Uber etc). The UK is still a big market so they won’t leave, despite their threats
Easy-Equal on
We sent over £15 billion to the ODA in 2023 she could cut that by 4 billion a year and have a buffer for the 3.2 she needs to find. We would still be the 5th largest contributer by over 3 billion
Or tax corporations. Oil, energy. Billionaires. Off shore wealth. Amazon. Starbucks. Online gambling.
Like it isn’t hard
Flat-Struggle-155 on
FML labour, find some courage and can the triple lock already. Need more? It’s so fucking easy.
Land value tax reform, inheritance taxes that impact the wealthiest quartile with loopholes closed , remove the tax loopholes around trusts, taxes on second homes, taxes on Airbnb, taxes on foreign ownership of property, taxes on empty property, taxes on the corporate giants.
Tax the things we want LESS of. We don’t want less hotels.
Difficult_Relative33 on
Companies don’t pay tax, they collect it. So any tax on companies will be paid by the customer. Think about that before you “tax the big companies”
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Informal_Drawing on
Have you tried taxing the people that have all the money.
I’m assuming that Musk didn’t just wake up one day as the richest man in the world after having a minimum wage job for most of his life.
cornishpirate32 on
Anything to not raise money by taxing the rich more
Qyro on
Yeah, let’s make life worse for the most vulnerable of our society. They don’t need any semblance of comfort or assistance at all. /s
Adorable_Pee_Pee on
Rachel Reeves has basically done a Liz Truss to pay for all her migrant hotels and carbon capture and now shes going to pass the debt on to the public, what a fantastic time to be a tax payer.
CastleofWamdue on
cutting benefits to people on disability, and people wonder why im a cynic who has yet to be won over by Keir Starmar.
Common-Ad6470 on
Here’s one, how about the HMRC actually go after millionaires, billionaires and corporations in the UK who basically pay little or no tax?
Maybe put some effort into actually taxing them instead of chasing the low earners and we might have a chance at balancing the books.
misspixal4688 on
Ableism is one of the biggest problems we have in this country no one ever gets outraged when even politicians say ableist nonsense.
MrBump01 on
How about claiming all the money back from politicians who made a fortune selling PPE that wasn’t suitable for use in some cases to the NHS.
SirBobPeel on
I suppose the idea of trying to prune back the truly massive armies of bureaucrats and administrators in almost every public institution is just too difficult to contemplate? I’ve read lots of pleas from doctors and police who say the red tape is taking huge amounts of their time away from what ought to be their real job, and employing enomous numbers of administrators who suck away at the money which should be going to provide services.
ChiefCheerless on
Why don’t these arseholes tax the cretinously rich properly? Surely that would help a smidge.
Oh yeah, I remember.
lawrencecoolwater on
What are the loopholes these companies are using? And do you have some good evidence to back up your extraordinary claim?
You realise if you keep taxing the shit out of business, especially taxing employment, then businesses will simple grow less, fewer will start, and employ and pay less. If you are right, and i think you are in part right, wouldn’t you favouring a proper pro growth agenda that will see businesses grow, flourish, and prosper and hire more people on better salaries.
The tax in employers NI will hit hardest the low margin labour intensive businesses. If you put policy where your mouth is, i cab only assume you would also vehemently against this tax change?
Less_Bookkeeper988 on
Would Rachel reeves like to be disabled for a bit? Find out how debilitating, lonely and fucking expensive it is.
BadgerGirl1990 on
There is no simple fix to the UK economy.
We are a consumer based economy which means growth requires people having disposable money to spend, austerity killed that, then the short fall in tax revenue from VAT, import and buissness tax was made up by increasing income tax which further compounded the issue and made even more short fall.
The UK economy has been in a slow death spiral since the financial crash, and tbh I don’t know if its possible to pull up.
Lo_jak on
The triple lock on pensions is a massive drag on our overall annual funds. However, pensioners make up a huge portion of the voter base, and I just can’t see any government taking that away….. it would absolutely be justified, but it would also be political suicide.
There’s literally nothing left to cut that won’t have a negative impact on working people, and I’m well aware taxing the rich to pay their fair share is an obvious route but they are so desperate to get businesses to invest in the UK, I can guarantee that won’t happen.
There’s going to be a significant shift in the way our government finances are spent over the next 10 years, and I would fully expect a decline in overall living standards.
HomerMadeMeDoIt on
Tax AirBNBs like hotels. Very easy and would only target really really well off people who won’t even notice it.
WonderingOctopus on
Can we please just start taxing the mega wealthy and giant businesses accordingly.
You know, the ones that have been boasting record profits continuously……
SwooshSwooshJedi on
Why don’t Labour just euthanise the disabled? Quicker than this cuts nonsense with the exact same results /s Labour are a disgrace
OfficialGarwood on
A hotel tax would kill the already crumbling tourism industry of seaside resorts. I live in Blackpool and this would decimate us
spacecrustaceans on
Just going to repost my comment I made on r/ukpolitics yesterday on this subject.
As a disabled individual, I understand the stress surrounding the upcoming announcements regarding cuts to disability benefits. However, this is something we’ve known about for a while. The Telegraph doesn’t have any more inside information than the rest of us; they’re simply revisiting old news. In fact, 95% of the article doesn’t even focus on the disability cuts but instead dwells on criticism surrounding Reeves’ visit to China and her spending policies—it’s little more than sensationalism/clickbait, crafted to attract clicks and boost ad revenue.
A green paper, expected to outline an overhaul of Personal Independence Payments (PIP) and other disability benefits, has already been announced for release in the spring. The Conservatives had initially proposed £3 billion in welfare cuts, including plans to replace PIP with vouchers and equipment, as well as to reform Work Capability Assessments, making it harder for new claimants to receive disability benefits. However, Labour has repeatedly confirmed that, while they will match the £3 billion in welfare cuts outlined by the previous government, they will implement these changes in their own way. None of this is particularly new.
What was most frustrating for millions of disabled people, including myself, was the months of stress leading up to the budget. We were bombarded with headlines claiming to have ‘inside knowledge,’ yet there were never any direct quotes or reliable sources. These articles thrived on scaremongering and clickbait, suggesting that cuts to PIP, changes to the Work Capability Assessment, and other drastic measures would be imminently announced during the Autumn budget. But when it came time for the announcement, we were no closer to knowing what would actually happen. All that stress, for nothing.
Personally, I choose to get my news regarding benefits and any updates from the organisation [Benefits and Work,](https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news) which is a far more reliable source. They report facts rather than relying on baseless speculation designed to drive traffic and clicks. If it hasn’t been reported or discussed on their website, I simply ignore these types of articles and wait for them to publish something, if anything at all. Their thorough and factual approach makes them the only source I trust for accurate updates on disability benefits.
FPSLiverpool on
oh for fucks sake. alternatives to PIP… well thats going to be a royal fuck up and a half.
I’m the sole carer for my bedbound mother, and this scares me, we both live off of her UC and PIP as im not eligable for any benifits myself, (my uni course is like 1 hour of in class time to render me uneligable for carers) and i can’t really get a job due to caring for my mum, i mean, i can email a tutor to explain i can’t come in because im caring for my mum, but an employer? hah, probably wouldn’t get hired in the first place when they can get someone who won’t randomly call off because their mum has had a flair up…
the removal and “alternatives” to PIP would be disasterous for us. my mum can’t even WFH, the co-ordination in her fingers is damaged due to the connective tissues breaking down over time, so it’s not like she can do work on a laptop or anything.
miowiamagrapegod on
>disability welfare cuts
When do we start calling the labour party evil?
raven43122 on
Disability welfare cuts, it’s like the old lot never left.
My son is disabled he can’t talk nor can he care for himself. His transport to school funding has now been cut as he’s 16.
This is after having to take his dla to a court appeal as the claimed he did not have “severe mental impairment” needless to say I won.
The whole thing is exhausting stressful and worrying.
Just to round it off as his full time carer they have no plan nor legislation that would help people like me find work. Every job I’ve tried to get won’t take me on for money I’m allowed to earn. I’d be more than happy to go to work for two days a week I don’t even care about what that job is anymore.
It’s so frustrating I’m a skilled worker that can’t get hired.
TehNext on
Disability welfare. The folk who can’t work through no fault of their own and she goes after them.
As big a cunt as any Tory chancellor, ever.
Antique_Ad4497 on
As a disabled, self employed woman, I’m sick of Reeves picking on us already. Bitch.
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> Government officials are now understood to be considering tightening rules around what proof is required to receive disability payments and **examining potential alternatives to PIP.**
Sounds like the Tory Green Paper is about to be implemented no matter how negative the responses to it were
Part of the problem with the benefits system is low wages.
Nobody ever is willing to say this. A lot of people on benefits are in employment but are not paid enough and the state has to top these wages up. Essentially, the state is subsidising wealthy companies by allowing them to pay less.
There are areas where tax could be raised – wealthy companies (and people) use tax loopholes to avoid paying tax. Those loopholes, especially for the likes of Amazon, could be plugged pretty easily if the chancellor set her mind to it.
There is a constant narrative of people on benefits eating big bags of crisps and watching telly all day rather than working. In actual fact, a life on benefits is pretty poor and dispiriting and the entire system is wretched.
What about the huge waste of money by the DWP ? Paying dead people pensions/benefits, spending huge amounts of money to conceal what they’re doing by fighting FOI requests, spending more huge sums in trying to defend indefensible cases that people bring against them…
Will asylum seekers have to pay it on their hotels?
Another anonymous “Whitehall source” and article full of speculation. You have to go quite far down to find anyone talking sense:
> Cross-bench peer Lord Jim O’Neill told LBC there needs to be a halt to the use of “emotive language” around the current borrowing figures.
> “I think it needs to be put into some perspective about what’s happening in the world as a whole,” he told Ian Dale.
> “The pound has not fallen since the budget, other than against the same strengthening dollar that has strengthened against everything else.
> “The pound against the euro is the same today as it was on budget day… the pound has hardly moved against the Yen, so the commonality is that everything has weakened against the dollar.”
Hardly the “economic crisis” government opponents are trying to paint it as, is it?
This government only has small answers to big questions.
My solution would be to restrict any sort of benefit to people who have been in the country for less than 10 years. If that is unfair they can leave.
It’s surprising to hear there’s any hotels left to tax and they are not all being used to house and feed healthy working aged men
Change the economic fundamentals of the country. This tinkering around the edges to find 20bn here and there while sending millions of working Brits on universal credit off a cliff ain’t it.
I was rejected for PIP twice, despite having a valid reason for trying to claim it. Meanwhile, my brother who is more able-bodied than me and can afford a car, gets it. Someone in my building who has a side business he doesn’t declare (I’ve mentioned it on Reddit before and had my post deleted even though it’s the truth, something to do with snorting) gets it and Mobility. The criteria for PIP is clearly not applied evenly. Things need fixing…
… Meanwhile, Rachel and all the other politicians get paid rather nicely, have plenty of nice perks, they even get plenty of freebies, as we all well know. Are they, or any of their rich friends, going to be helping out this time?
Something tells me the answer is the same as it usually always is. 😐
Something also tells me that someone will come along and try to justify it by starting with, “But the rich pay….” blah blah fucking blah.
Proposal: A tax on companies that a) employs 100 or more people across the country, and b) has ten or more of them receiving Universal Credit or other “low-wage top-up” form of social security. Essentially, a tax on companies that underpay their staff in order to cover the cost to the government of topping up those wages.
(The 100+ employee threshold is to avoid weakening small businesses; we should encourage these to grow.)
Ffs. All she needs to do is close tax loopholes for foreign big businesses (Amazon, Starbucks, Uber etc). The UK is still a big market so they won’t leave, despite their threats
We sent over £15 billion to the ODA in 2023 she could cut that by 4 billion a year and have a buffer for the 3.2 she needs to find. We would still be the 5th largest contributer by over 3 billion
https://public.flourish.studio/story/2315218/
Or tax corporations. Oil, energy. Billionaires. Off shore wealth. Amazon. Starbucks. Online gambling.
Like it isn’t hard
FML labour, find some courage and can the triple lock already. Need more? It’s so fucking easy.
Land value tax reform, inheritance taxes that impact the wealthiest quartile with loopholes closed , remove the tax loopholes around trusts, taxes on second homes, taxes on Airbnb, taxes on foreign ownership of property, taxes on empty property, taxes on the corporate giants.
Tax the things we want LESS of. We don’t want less hotels.
Companies don’t pay tax, they collect it. So any tax on companies will be paid by the customer. Think about that before you “tax the big companies”
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Have you tried taxing the people that have all the money.
I’m assuming that Musk didn’t just wake up one day as the richest man in the world after having a minimum wage job for most of his life.
Anything to not raise money by taxing the rich more
Yeah, let’s make life worse for the most vulnerable of our society. They don’t need any semblance of comfort or assistance at all. /s
Rachel Reeves has basically done a Liz Truss to pay for all her migrant hotels and carbon capture and now shes going to pass the debt on to the public, what a fantastic time to be a tax payer.
cutting benefits to people on disability, and people wonder why im a cynic who has yet to be won over by Keir Starmar.
Here’s one, how about the HMRC actually go after millionaires, billionaires and corporations in the UK who basically pay little or no tax?
Maybe put some effort into actually taxing them instead of chasing the low earners and we might have a chance at balancing the books.
Ableism is one of the biggest problems we have in this country no one ever gets outraged when even politicians say ableist nonsense.
How about claiming all the money back from politicians who made a fortune selling PPE that wasn’t suitable for use in some cases to the NHS.
I suppose the idea of trying to prune back the truly massive armies of bureaucrats and administrators in almost every public institution is just too difficult to contemplate? I’ve read lots of pleas from doctors and police who say the red tape is taking huge amounts of their time away from what ought to be their real job, and employing enomous numbers of administrators who suck away at the money which should be going to provide services.
Why don’t these arseholes tax the cretinously rich properly? Surely that would help a smidge.
Oh yeah, I remember.
What are the loopholes these companies are using? And do you have some good evidence to back up your extraordinary claim?
You realise if you keep taxing the shit out of business, especially taxing employment, then businesses will simple grow less, fewer will start, and employ and pay less. If you are right, and i think you are in part right, wouldn’t you favouring a proper pro growth agenda that will see businesses grow, flourish, and prosper and hire more people on better salaries.
The tax in employers NI will hit hardest the low margin labour intensive businesses. If you put policy where your mouth is, i cab only assume you would also vehemently against this tax change?
Would Rachel reeves like to be disabled for a bit? Find out how debilitating, lonely and fucking expensive it is.
There is no simple fix to the UK economy.
We are a consumer based economy which means growth requires people having disposable money to spend, austerity killed that, then the short fall in tax revenue from VAT, import and buissness tax was made up by increasing income tax which further compounded the issue and made even more short fall.
The UK economy has been in a slow death spiral since the financial crash, and tbh I don’t know if its possible to pull up.
The triple lock on pensions is a massive drag on our overall annual funds. However, pensioners make up a huge portion of the voter base, and I just can’t see any government taking that away….. it would absolutely be justified, but it would also be political suicide.
There’s literally nothing left to cut that won’t have a negative impact on working people, and I’m well aware taxing the rich to pay their fair share is an obvious route but they are so desperate to get businesses to invest in the UK, I can guarantee that won’t happen.
There’s going to be a significant shift in the way our government finances are spent over the next 10 years, and I would fully expect a decline in overall living standards.
Tax AirBNBs like hotels. Very easy and would only target really really well off people who won’t even notice it.
Can we please just start taxing the mega wealthy and giant businesses accordingly.
You know, the ones that have been boasting record profits continuously……
Why don’t Labour just euthanise the disabled? Quicker than this cuts nonsense with the exact same results /s Labour are a disgrace
A hotel tax would kill the already crumbling tourism industry of seaside resorts. I live in Blackpool and this would decimate us
Just going to repost my comment I made on r/ukpolitics yesterday on this subject.
As a disabled individual, I understand the stress surrounding the upcoming announcements regarding cuts to disability benefits. However, this is something we’ve known about for a while. The Telegraph doesn’t have any more inside information than the rest of us; they’re simply revisiting old news. In fact, 95% of the article doesn’t even focus on the disability cuts but instead dwells on criticism surrounding Reeves’ visit to China and her spending policies—it’s little more than sensationalism/clickbait, crafted to attract clicks and boost ad revenue.
A green paper, expected to outline an overhaul of Personal Independence Payments (PIP) and other disability benefits, has already been announced for release in the spring. The Conservatives had initially proposed £3 billion in welfare cuts, including plans to replace PIP with vouchers and equipment, as well as to reform Work Capability Assessments, making it harder for new claimants to receive disability benefits. However, Labour has repeatedly confirmed that, while they will match the £3 billion in welfare cuts outlined by the previous government, they will implement these changes in their own way. None of this is particularly new.
What was most frustrating for millions of disabled people, including myself, was the months of stress leading up to the budget. We were bombarded with headlines claiming to have ‘inside knowledge,’ yet there were never any direct quotes or reliable sources. These articles thrived on scaremongering and clickbait, suggesting that cuts to PIP, changes to the Work Capability Assessment, and other drastic measures would be imminently announced during the Autumn budget. But when it came time for the announcement, we were no closer to knowing what would actually happen. All that stress, for nothing.
Personally, I choose to get my news regarding benefits and any updates from the organisation [Benefits and Work,](https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news) which is a far more reliable source. They report facts rather than relying on baseless speculation designed to drive traffic and clicks. If it hasn’t been reported or discussed on their website, I simply ignore these types of articles and wait for them to publish something, if anything at all. Their thorough and factual approach makes them the only source I trust for accurate updates on disability benefits.
oh for fucks sake. alternatives to PIP… well thats going to be a royal fuck up and a half.
I’m the sole carer for my bedbound mother, and this scares me, we both live off of her UC and PIP as im not eligable for any benifits myself, (my uni course is like 1 hour of in class time to render me uneligable for carers) and i can’t really get a job due to caring for my mum, i mean, i can email a tutor to explain i can’t come in because im caring for my mum, but an employer? hah, probably wouldn’t get hired in the first place when they can get someone who won’t randomly call off because their mum has had a flair up…
the removal and “alternatives” to PIP would be disasterous for us. my mum can’t even WFH, the co-ordination in her fingers is damaged due to the connective tissues breaking down over time, so it’s not like she can do work on a laptop or anything.
>disability welfare cuts
When do we start calling the labour party evil?
Disability welfare cuts, it’s like the old lot never left.
My son is disabled he can’t talk nor can he care for himself. His transport to school funding has now been cut as he’s 16.
This is after having to take his dla to a court appeal as the claimed he did not have “severe mental impairment” needless to say I won.
The whole thing is exhausting stressful and worrying.
Just to round it off as his full time carer they have no plan nor legislation that would help people like me find work. Every job I’ve tried to get won’t take me on for money I’m allowed to earn. I’d be more than happy to go to work for two days a week I don’t even care about what that job is anymore.
It’s so frustrating I’m a skilled worker that can’t get hired.
Disability welfare. The folk who can’t work through no fault of their own and she goes after them.
As big a cunt as any Tory chancellor, ever.
As a disabled, self employed woman, I’m sick of Reeves picking on us already. Bitch.