* Unions representing public servants say they are blindsided and outraged by new rules forcing federal employees to work from the office at least three days a week.
* The new requirements, which take effect Sept. 9, also stipulate executives will have to be in the office at least four days a week.
* The Public Service Alliance of Canada says it will be filing an unfair labour practice complaint and looking into other legal options. “PSAC members are incredibly frustrated and angered by this announcement,” national president Chris Aylward said in a statement.
* Previously, most federal public servants had to be in the office at least two days a week. Those rules were put in place March 2023, two years after public servants began working remotely due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
* Nathan Prier, president of the Canadian Association of Professional Employees, called the announcement a “disaster” and said the union would be fighting it.
* “We are shocked at this decision which has been made in secret without consultation, and with no valid reason given,” he said in a statement. “We will not be taking this lying down.”
Public_Ingenuity_146 on
The horror of having to actually go to work
Akhavii on
They had the opportunity to have telework agreements laid out in their CBAs when they were on strike and folded for the same deal they had already been offered, the unions fucked themselves here.
As an aside PSAC members deserve better than Chris Aylward.
Floortom1 on
Massive public sector layoffs are obviously needed.
cruiseshipsghg on
So the climate isn’t an issue now?
Our PM is essentially forcing an increase in unnecessary carbon emissions while penalizing us for it.
North_Lawfulness9871 on
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Red57872 on
The unions don’t have a leg to stand on. It is the right of the employer to choose the location of work, and the fact that it may not make financial sense for the employer to demand the employee return to the office doesn’t matter.
DayEqual2634 on
Man I have to go in to work EVERY day. Wild, I know. And to think, I also won’t get a separate pension 🤯
Demetre19864 on
Realistically I know many people who work from home or have.
And although you can be effective at home , not everyone is a responsible person and so many have taken advantage.
Either every job from home switches to piece work or of course an employer will want more oversight.
CrieDeCoeur on
Considering that some of the largest union pensions are heavily invested in commerical real estate bonds, it’s either go back to the office now or watch those pension funds collapse years from now as the CRE industry folds like hot laundry because nobody went downtown anymore.
Unfortunately it’s either bad news now or bad news later.
fungus_bunghole on
I’m jealous. I wanna fk the dog at home too 😪
Guilty_Fishing8229 on
Not sure what public service unions these guys are in. I’m in the public service in alberts and have been working 3 days in office since early 2022. Pretty reasonable…
Beautiful_Sector2657 on
Wasn’t Chris Aylward paper tigering around this exact time last year during the PSAC strike? When he said he wouldn’t accept anything less than a right to work from home, right before he subsequently folded?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
eldiablonoche on
They were “shocked” and “blindsided” by… Being given almost 6 months to prepare for 60% RTO after a year of being weaned back from 40% RTO after at least a year of knowing they’d be RTO eventually.
It’s really hard to take anything they say seriously when their every statement is hyperbolic nonsense.
Phelixx on
Lots of WFH apologists. I will just say, and I know this is anecdotal, every friend/family/acquaintance I know absolutely fucks the dog when they WFH. They are doing laundry, yard work, going on bike rides, hiking. I definitely understand why you would not want to lose that.
I can absolutely understand why managers want people back. I do understand going to an office is not as nice as sitting in PJ’s at home, but people do more work when they have to.
Also anecdotal, but my brother got a government job during covid and they were WFH and he found it incredibly hard to receive mentorship because you are working alone and basically have to schedule zoom meetings to ask a question, rather than just walk down the hall and face-to-face with someone. He now has moved to Victoria and is full return to work under provincial government.
There is a reason all these massive companies are bringing people back to the office and it’s not just because they hate their employees. Every private tech company is doing this, governments are doing this, there is a reason for it.
I go into work 5 days a week. It’s normal.
2k5 on
Let’s talk about who is actually going to enforce this shit. EX 4 days a week?! Good luck
wewfarmer on
Threads like this make it very clear there is a decent chunk of Canadians who have an intense dislike of public service workers. They seem to actively experience joy in their unhappiness, and want their lives to be worse. I can’t tell if it’s misplaced jealously, or just an extension of their hatred for all things government.
They also seem to think we’re all making 6 figures. I’m making 65k before deductions. People outside the executive level aren’t exactly raking it in.
PaddlinPaladin on
work from home was the best environmental game-changer we saw in a generation; less fuel, less traffic, less strain on infrastructure. And they’re tossing it away
RefrigeratorOk648 on
I thought that one of their demands was wfh when they went on strike? Obviously the union did not do a good job
brilliant_bauhaus on
Canadians you should also be pissed at this. Many public servants want a widely distributed workforce that hires from across the entire country and doesn’t discriminate whether you live in a town of 100 or Toronto/Vancouver. Having us back in the office means centralized jobs and most opportunities in Ottawa/Gatineau with few opportunities in the “regions”.
Butts in the office means less opportunity for local concerns to be brought up or local expertise used for files pertaining to parts of the country. Why should a person from Ottawa who has never set foot in Alberta or Northern Saskatchewan lead files representing those areas? Why don’t we remote hire from these places?
It’s going to get unfortunately more regressive with 3 days in the office.
tysonfromcanada on
so the position is they get paid and not go to work?
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Highlights:
* Unions representing public servants say they are blindsided and outraged by new rules forcing federal employees to work from the office at least three days a week.
* The new requirements, which take effect Sept. 9, also stipulate executives will have to be in the office at least four days a week.
* The Public Service Alliance of Canada says it will be filing an unfair labour practice complaint and looking into other legal options. “PSAC members are incredibly frustrated and angered by this announcement,” national president Chris Aylward said in a statement.
* Previously, most federal public servants had to be in the office at least two days a week. Those rules were put in place March 2023, two years after public servants began working remotely due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
* Nathan Prier, president of the Canadian Association of Professional Employees, called the announcement a “disaster” and said the union would be fighting it.
* “We are shocked at this decision which has been made in secret without consultation, and with no valid reason given,” he said in a statement. “We will not be taking this lying down.”
The horror of having to actually go to work
They had the opportunity to have telework agreements laid out in their CBAs when they were on strike and folded for the same deal they had already been offered, the unions fucked themselves here.
As an aside PSAC members deserve better than Chris Aylward.
Massive public sector layoffs are obviously needed.
So the climate isn’t an issue now?
Our PM is essentially forcing an increase in unnecessary carbon emissions while penalizing us for it.
✂️✂️✂️
The unions don’t have a leg to stand on. It is the right of the employer to choose the location of work, and the fact that it may not make financial sense for the employer to demand the employee return to the office doesn’t matter.
Man I have to go in to work EVERY day. Wild, I know. And to think, I also won’t get a separate pension 🤯
Realistically I know many people who work from home or have.
And although you can be effective at home , not everyone is a responsible person and so many have taken advantage.
Either every job from home switches to piece work or of course an employer will want more oversight.
Considering that some of the largest union pensions are heavily invested in commerical real estate bonds, it’s either go back to the office now or watch those pension funds collapse years from now as the CRE industry folds like hot laundry because nobody went downtown anymore.
Unfortunately it’s either bad news now or bad news later.
I’m jealous. I wanna fk the dog at home too 😪
Not sure what public service unions these guys are in. I’m in the public service in alberts and have been working 3 days in office since early 2022. Pretty reasonable…
Wasn’t Chris Aylward paper tigering around this exact time last year during the PSAC strike? When he said he wouldn’t accept anything less than a right to work from home, right before he subsequently folded?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
They were “shocked” and “blindsided” by… Being given almost 6 months to prepare for 60% RTO after a year of being weaned back from 40% RTO after at least a year of knowing they’d be RTO eventually.
It’s really hard to take anything they say seriously when their every statement is hyperbolic nonsense.
Lots of WFH apologists. I will just say, and I know this is anecdotal, every friend/family/acquaintance I know absolutely fucks the dog when they WFH. They are doing laundry, yard work, going on bike rides, hiking. I definitely understand why you would not want to lose that.
I can absolutely understand why managers want people back. I do understand going to an office is not as nice as sitting in PJ’s at home, but people do more work when they have to.
Also anecdotal, but my brother got a government job during covid and they were WFH and he found it incredibly hard to receive mentorship because you are working alone and basically have to schedule zoom meetings to ask a question, rather than just walk down the hall and face-to-face with someone. He now has moved to Victoria and is full return to work under provincial government.
There is a reason all these massive companies are bringing people back to the office and it’s not just because they hate their employees. Every private tech company is doing this, governments are doing this, there is a reason for it.
I go into work 5 days a week. It’s normal.
Let’s talk about who is actually going to enforce this shit. EX 4 days a week?! Good luck
Threads like this make it very clear there is a decent chunk of Canadians who have an intense dislike of public service workers. They seem to actively experience joy in their unhappiness, and want their lives to be worse. I can’t tell if it’s misplaced jealously, or just an extension of their hatred for all things government.
They also seem to think we’re all making 6 figures. I’m making 65k before deductions. People outside the executive level aren’t exactly raking it in.
work from home was the best environmental game-changer we saw in a generation; less fuel, less traffic, less strain on infrastructure. And they’re tossing it away
I thought that one of their demands was wfh when they went on strike? Obviously the union did not do a good job
Canadians you should also be pissed at this. Many public servants want a widely distributed workforce that hires from across the entire country and doesn’t discriminate whether you live in a town of 100 or Toronto/Vancouver. Having us back in the office means centralized jobs and most opportunities in Ottawa/Gatineau with few opportunities in the “regions”.
Butts in the office means less opportunity for local concerns to be brought up or local expertise used for files pertaining to parts of the country. Why should a person from Ottawa who has never set foot in Alberta or Northern Saskatchewan lead files representing those areas? Why don’t we remote hire from these places?
It’s going to get unfortunately more regressive with 3 days in the office.
so the position is they get paid and not go to work?