Good. It needs to go to trial. Burning books, flags or whatever as long as you own them shouldn’t be a crime. Maybe a fine for littering, or having a fire in a public place, if that’s a thing.
2TierKeir on
Religious aggravation seems like a slippery slope
Are words aggravation? What about drawings?
ImJustARunawaay on
How can a supposed modern liberal democracy support this sort of legislation and prosecution. Ridiculous
illegalbusiness on
Probably shouldn’t say this out loud but I once accidentally burnt a Qur’an. Mum gave me loads of books to put on a bonfire as a kid for bonfire night and there was a Qur’an in it. Sent that fucker up like it owed me money. Neither of us have really spoken about it since. Oh and neither of us are Muslim (my dad was Persian but did not practise Islam). Probably going to the seventh layer of hell or whatevs.
Consistent-Two-1463 on
what about the fella that tried to kill him with the knife ? is that not more important ?
Ok_Refuse_6374 on
I mean… Is this the UK or Pakistan? Maybe we could try stoning him as a punishment to really fit in.
CountyJazzlike3628 on
I am stunned that the charge reads ‘…against the religious institution of Islam…’!
loikyloo on
I really do think we should adopt an american style free speach law/right to avoid silly things like this happening.
CreepyTool on
This should go all the way to trail and then we can all see the truth that we have had defacto blasphemy laws imposed on us via the backdoor.
All to appease barbaric religions.
HotHuckleberry3454 on
We are all rooting for him. Let’s not make blasphemy (religious aggravation – doublespeak) a thing.
Red-Eyed-Gull on
The idea of superstitions being given legal protection belongs in the dark ages. You can’t help your sexuality, age, race, gender, disability but religion is something personal that you make a conscious choice about (assuming you haven’t been brainwashed as a child). What next, the Harry Potter fan club getting vocal about people dissing Hagrid?
snowballeveryday on
No matter what the court decides, he will be murdered by a Muslim eventually because religion demands it blah blah, what’s new here.
averagesophonenjoyer on
>intent to cause against religious institution of Islam, harassment, alarm or distress
Are we living in Saudi Arabia? This is worded like we do.
ConfusedQuarks on
“Religious aggravation”. Why can’t they be honest and just call it blasphemy?
Boiling_warm on
Oh so the prosecution is actually trying to suggest that book burning is illegal?
warcraftbilly on
Pathetic laws being used as veiled blasphemy laws to protect little ol islam
Charodar on
JD Vance looking prophetic right about now. As opportunistic or scummy he is, there’s something in the water in Europe, the Deliveroo driver putting in a few kicks was icing on the cake (chef’s kiss).
djangomoses on
“Appearing at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Saturday, Coskun spoke through an interpreter as he entered not guilty pleas.
He wore a grey tracksuit top and had a bandage on his left hand.
He was released on conditional bail and will appear before the same court for trial on May 28.
Moussa Kadri, 59, from Kensington and Chelsea, has also been charged with causing actual bodily harm and possession of an offensive weapon.
He was bailed and will appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Monday.”
As I feel like the facts of the matter at hand have been purposefully obfuscated, I think this piece of context from the article is important. Both individuals were bailed, and the man who attempted to stab the burner is in court Monday, the burner is also on bail, and is due to go to court in May…as you would expect, the much more serious offence (the stabbing) is taken seriously
Forsaken-Director683 on
Why is it we are expected to have agency for pretty much everything. Yet we are allowed to get people arrested over aggravating us with words or a relatively harmless action?
Surely, any Muslim (or anyone for that matter) frothing at the mouth over this should be told to just grow up and that this is part and parcel of a multicultural society.
It was only around 6 months ago people were being condemned for being angry over kids being stabbed to death.
I’m all for people believing whatever they want to believe, but society is fucked if it stays a societal issue rather than the belief just being a personal and private thing.
KookyEntertainment88 on
Would this have even got to court if a person had burnt the bible?
-Drunken_Jedi- on
Honestly it feels like a modern day blasphemy law.
The world we live in when books on LGBT people are being removed from libraries and schools, or even burned in places like America, but god forbid someone torches a book about a fake deity.
klepto_entropoid on
There should be no legal framework that “protects” hurt feelings caused by non-violent or verbal action(s). What these laws do is encourage religious fanaticism not suppress it.
averagesophonenjoyer on
Imagine protesting the Turkish government because you’re unhappy with the direction your secular homeland is going in. You know you’d be arrested for this in Turkey. But you’re in liberal democracy Britain.
Then they arrest you anyway.
No_Flounder_1155 on
the danger wasn’t the man burning the book it was the attacker with the knife.
ambivalent_mrlit on
If any other book can be burned with no consequence then the quran should not be excempt from this. If you hold a book in your hands that is your property, you should be allowed to do what you want with it without getting a knife swung at you.
IceGripe on
I would like to see a BlackBeltBarrister video about that charge.
DaveyBeefcake on
Religion always trying to drag us back to the stone age. Blasphemy is actually a very good thing to do, it’s morally superior to having a religion. Do it every day. Burn a quran now, you’ll be a better person for it.
Rare-Car7971 on
where are all the leftists in this sub whenever these news stories arise.
CobblerSmall1891 on
Can I ask, if thousands of people all burned Quran together as a group would the law be similar? Just wondering.
modsarescourge-3468 on
Good on the bloke. The fact that people are dying routinely in Europe for doing this recently says more people need to come together and destroy Islamism that has now a firm hold in Europe.
Now governments need to clamp down and route out these individuals.
Upper-Level5723 on
The fact they’re trying to charge aggravation proves the point entirely. People should not be able to be so easily get “aggravated” or “incited” to violence over a single book, this is a problem.
This is not the same as if the government was mass burning books which would be understandable.
bongowasd on
Great, my new religion finds useless politicians offensive. Can we get them all put in jail please. Ridiculous.
Let me guess “Religious Aggravation” is once again, ONLY EVER when its Islam.
chipxtreme on
Blasphemy laws have no place in the UK. It’s a book! Should be no different than burning other works of fiction like Harry Potter
Zofia-Bosak on
Religion has no basis in this case.
The person should never have been arrested.
This should never have gone to court.
amazingusername100 on
I don’t want to sound like a shitbag, but it’s not the middle ages, simply burning a religious text might be offensive to some, idiotic to others, but not a crime.
VelvetDreamers on
“Religious aggravation” against the “institution of Islam”?? I’m sorry, are we now living in a totalitarian theocracy where I should care about the institution of Islam? I’m alarmed and distressed by this wording! Can the author be arrested?
Why is the UK sleepwalking into this nightmare?
permabanter on
People should be allowed to burn whatever book they hate.
Difficult_Answer3549 on
I feel like current UK would treat Sinead O’Connor worse than the Americans did in ’92 if her target was Islam.
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Good. It needs to go to trial. Burning books, flags or whatever as long as you own them shouldn’t be a crime. Maybe a fine for littering, or having a fire in a public place, if that’s a thing.
Religious aggravation seems like a slippery slope
Are words aggravation? What about drawings?
How can a supposed modern liberal democracy support this sort of legislation and prosecution. Ridiculous
Probably shouldn’t say this out loud but I once accidentally burnt a Qur’an. Mum gave me loads of books to put on a bonfire as a kid for bonfire night and there was a Qur’an in it. Sent that fucker up like it owed me money. Neither of us have really spoken about it since. Oh and neither of us are Muslim (my dad was Persian but did not practise Islam). Probably going to the seventh layer of hell or whatevs.
what about the fella that tried to kill him with the knife ? is that not more important ?
I mean… Is this the UK or Pakistan? Maybe we could try stoning him as a punishment to really fit in.
I am stunned that the charge reads ‘…against the religious institution of Islam…’!
I really do think we should adopt an american style free speach law/right to avoid silly things like this happening.
This should go all the way to trail and then we can all see the truth that we have had defacto blasphemy laws imposed on us via the backdoor.
All to appease barbaric religions.
We are all rooting for him. Let’s not make blasphemy (religious aggravation – doublespeak) a thing.
The idea of superstitions being given legal protection belongs in the dark ages. You can’t help your sexuality, age, race, gender, disability but religion is something personal that you make a conscious choice about (assuming you haven’t been brainwashed as a child). What next, the Harry Potter fan club getting vocal about people dissing Hagrid?
No matter what the court decides, he will be murdered by a Muslim eventually because religion demands it blah blah, what’s new here.
>intent to cause against religious institution of Islam, harassment, alarm or distress
Are we living in Saudi Arabia? This is worded like we do.
“Religious aggravation”. Why can’t they be honest and just call it blasphemy?
Oh so the prosecution is actually trying to suggest that book burning is illegal?
Pathetic laws being used as veiled blasphemy laws to protect little ol islam
JD Vance looking prophetic right about now. As opportunistic or scummy he is, there’s something in the water in Europe, the Deliveroo driver putting in a few kicks was icing on the cake (chef’s kiss).
“Appearing at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Saturday, Coskun spoke through an interpreter as he entered not guilty pleas.
He wore a grey tracksuit top and had a bandage on his left hand.
He was released on conditional bail and will appear before the same court for trial on May 28.
Moussa Kadri, 59, from Kensington and Chelsea, has also been charged with causing actual bodily harm and possession of an offensive weapon.
He was bailed and will appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Monday.”
As I feel like the facts of the matter at hand have been purposefully obfuscated, I think this piece of context from the article is important. Both individuals were bailed, and the man who attempted to stab the burner is in court Monday, the burner is also on bail, and is due to go to court in May…as you would expect, the much more serious offence (the stabbing) is taken seriously
Why is it we are expected to have agency for pretty much everything. Yet we are allowed to get people arrested over aggravating us with words or a relatively harmless action?
Surely, any Muslim (or anyone for that matter) frothing at the mouth over this should be told to just grow up and that this is part and parcel of a multicultural society.
It was only around 6 months ago people were being condemned for being angry over kids being stabbed to death.
I’m all for people believing whatever they want to believe, but society is fucked if it stays a societal issue rather than the belief just being a personal and private thing.
Would this have even got to court if a person had burnt the bible?
Honestly it feels like a modern day blasphemy law.
The world we live in when books on LGBT people are being removed from libraries and schools, or even burned in places like America, but god forbid someone torches a book about a fake deity.
There should be no legal framework that “protects” hurt feelings caused by non-violent or verbal action(s). What these laws do is encourage religious fanaticism not suppress it.
Imagine protesting the Turkish government because you’re unhappy with the direction your secular homeland is going in. You know you’d be arrested for this in Turkey. But you’re in liberal democracy Britain.
Then they arrest you anyway.
the danger wasn’t the man burning the book it was the attacker with the knife.
If any other book can be burned with no consequence then the quran should not be excempt from this. If you hold a book in your hands that is your property, you should be allowed to do what you want with it without getting a knife swung at you.
I would like to see a BlackBeltBarrister video about that charge.
Religion always trying to drag us back to the stone age. Blasphemy is actually a very good thing to do, it’s morally superior to having a religion. Do it every day. Burn a quran now, you’ll be a better person for it.
where are all the leftists in this sub whenever these news stories arise.
Can I ask, if thousands of people all burned Quran together as a group would the law be similar? Just wondering.
Good on the bloke. The fact that people are dying routinely in Europe for doing this recently says more people need to come together and destroy Islamism that has now a firm hold in Europe.
Now governments need to clamp down and route out these individuals.
The fact they’re trying to charge aggravation proves the point entirely. People should not be able to be so easily get “aggravated” or “incited” to violence over a single book, this is a problem.
This is not the same as if the government was mass burning books which would be understandable.
Great, my new religion finds useless politicians offensive. Can we get them all put in jail please. Ridiculous.
Let me guess “Religious Aggravation” is once again, ONLY EVER when its Islam.
Blasphemy laws have no place in the UK. It’s a book! Should be no different than burning other works of fiction like Harry Potter
Religion has no basis in this case.
The person should never have been arrested.
This should never have gone to court.
I don’t want to sound like a shitbag, but it’s not the middle ages, simply burning a religious text might be offensive to some, idiotic to others, but not a crime.
“Religious aggravation” against the “institution of Islam”?? I’m sorry, are we now living in a totalitarian theocracy where I should care about the institution of Islam? I’m alarmed and distressed by this wording! Can the author be arrested?
Why is the UK sleepwalking into this nightmare?
People should be allowed to burn whatever book they hate.
I feel like current UK would treat Sinead O’Connor worse than the Americans did in ’92 if her target was Islam.