The lost boys: how a generation of young men fell behind women on pay
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/the-lost-boys-how-a-generation-of-young-men-fell-behind-women-on-pay-8rc3mmvt0
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The lost boys: how a generation of young men fell behind women on pay
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/the-lost-boys-how-a-generation-of-young-men-fell-behind-women-on-pay-8rc3mmvt0
Posted by brapmaster2000
29 Comments
Why is this surprising? We need more male teachers
Huh. Who’d have thought that decades of prioritising education and jobs for girls and women would mean they end up earning more?
So the question then becomes how long the government is going to continue down this path, or whether they’re going to realise this is a problem at some point.
Stuff like this always over corrects, then turns bad
Behind paywall, what does it actually say in the article?
Huh.
When men earn more, we’re told that’s just the way it is because women choose to earn less.
The uk gov organisation I work stated a high profile gender pay gap study so they can ensure women are equally paid.
The results came back that the gender pay pay was the opposite of what was expected, women were, on average, paid more than men. More men in lower pay grades, also more men in lower scales within the pay grade of same job.
The study was dropped and not spoken of again.
I feel like pay gaps are made too big a deal of on the whole. I mean, yes, it used to be so skewed to guys that it needed addressing but I don’t think that extreme is the case anymore, so why do we keep banging on about it? So long as, for example, Bob and Jen both get paid £12.26 an hour for doing the same job for same hours, etc then that’s it
You’ll always have variations for more men or more women in higher paying jobs at any given time, society has clusters. Barcelona had domination in football for several years then another team did, etc. You get stuff like this happening, some generation will have girls who grow up to earn more, some will have more boys, it is what it is.
What job market exists when they grow up also hampers it too. Not a shock more guys got more money when mining and physical work was prominent and not a shock women are catching up/taking over now those jobs are all but gone. The way the world is going, we will probably need to open mines again soon since every country will be isolationist and guys will take more jobs again.
I am simple, but so long as people doing the same job get the same pay, that’s all I ask for. Being mad one group gets paid more than another when they do different stuff is redundant.
Don’t worry I’m sure they will get plenty of support to equalise things…
LMAO sorry; we all know that the worse things are for men in comparison to women the more ‘equal’ things are.
I do recall everyone complaining for equal pay, despite only looking at the figures and not things like hours worked, experience etc.
I’m sure this will gain as much notoriety as the wage gap for women did.
So apparently the gender pay gap matters now. Weird.
I wonder if there will suddenly be campaigns to help young men? I know the answer but would be nice
Because we now have a generation of white men that have grown up been told they are the problem they often don’t even qualify to interview at some jobs due to bame and woman first rules ( police fire service etc). It’s hardly surprising 🙄
It’s a very narrow age range. Up to 24 yrs old.
Overall women are still paid less than men, which is shameful 50 years after the equal pay act.
Not saying it’s an issue but in my job I would say a male presence is in the minority, maybe 40/60 or more.
All management and upper management are women and I have honestly felt for a while that being a man has been a negative of mine and other people’s chances of progression. Several internal positions I have applied for have gone to women every time and when a man leaves it is almost guaranteed a women replaces them.
I just feel like favouritism is taking place at the business and my wants for my career are just being ignored due to men before me having such a good time of it.
Two things can be true at the same time.
Some women can be paid more than men. Some men can be paid more than women.
The bigger issue is the mollycoddling of men by overbearing mothers (boy mom syndrome), fathers increasingly “checking out” of their families with no impunity, and a lack of positive male role models. This has been happening since the 1980s and steadily getting worse.
PSA: The gender pay gap figures have never been based on like for like roles, the idea that a woman is paid less than a man for the same role is not real, overall career earnings do swing in favour of men, but give them equal paternity leave and watch it balance out.
Wait, isn’t this a good thing? Isn’t it equality? Work hard, get educated and get more money for the work you do irrespective of gender? Sounds like something to celebrate
Always been a problem for women, but now a small sample size of men are going to be affected, the gender pay gap is an issue? Patriarch working so hard.
Something must be done!
…wait, whom did you say was the victim of sex disparity?
^^…nevermind
Whenever the problem is male oriented its no longer a problem, and men are part of the problem also. Go fuck yourselves.
I can’t read the article but does it have anything to do the gender pay gap, because that reasoning is extremely flawed.
The study is done by The Centre for Social Justice. A quick search of who owns that…
The Centre for Social Justice (CSJ) is an independent centre-right think tank based in the United Kingdom, co-founded in 2004 by Iain Duncan Smith, .
And suddenly, people who denied the gender pay gap existing are now up in arms about it. Weird how that works.
I find it interesting that I’ve seen this posted a few times now on Reddit, and it’s largely men freaking out about how men are currently oppressed and how we must change this immediately.
But no one is celebrating. This is the first time I think ever that women have earned more than men. It’s in a tiny age group, across all other age groups men still earn more. But here we are, finally, where young women are getting paid to the extent they can compete with their male peers.
When we get true gender equality it will be normal for there to be some situations where men do better, some where women do better, and that should dip and rise naturally. It’s unlikely we’ll be exactly the same all the time. But we will no longer see this significant skew with men always on top which is what we have been seeing. The aim is not to have any steep skew, or see one gender consistently doing better than the other across a broad spectrum of areas (it is ok for small and fairly even differences).
This is a win. It’s a step towards equality. If you’re a man who believes in equal rights but felt uncomfortable with this news, you need to learn to feel comfortable with women outperforming men at the same rates men outperform women. If you see this as a shock and a failing to men that needs to be fixed, then you are not actually comfortable with women being equal. You want women to do better, but still remain subservient.
‘Women and girls aged 16 to 24 in both white-collar and blue-collar jobs make nearly 10 per cent more on average than their male peers, according to the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ) think tank.’
Every other age group has men making men.
State sanctioned discrimination via the “equality” act for all the protected characteristics thats mainly how but also zero focus on outcomes which is why nothing works.
This is why I’ve always said that feminism is equity, not equality. It stopped putting them on equal footing with men in the late-90s early-00s, and started giving them priority and handouts to raise them up to the *PERCEIVED* idea of men; key word here being ‘perceived’. It stopped being objective reality and “a man and woman should be equal” and instead became the subjective reality of “there are more male CEOs than women, so we need to arbitrarily have more female CEOs”. But, saying that in public will have you branded a misogynist and woman-hater because god forbid a woman ever works for something as hard as a man does now, not to mention the societal pressure and mental health men are now facing. We stopped telling women to act like women a decade ago, but we still tell men to “man up” today. It’s one rule for them and another for us; that is not equality. In fact, I’d say in rare cases some people deliberately try to handicap men to lower them even further to bring the gap closer together; assuming that there even is a gap anymore. It baffles me when people mention the gender pay gap in the 21st century considering how many labour, wage, and gender laws we have in place that make overt gender pay inequality illegal. But you know, women still get months of paid maternity leave while most men are lucky if they get just 2 weeks paternal leave, and even luckier to have it paid.
Even when I was at college and uni in a class of 31, there were only two males there and I was one of them. And you don’t need me to paint a picture in your head of what a room full of college and university media studies girls are like, make your own conclusions. It was later I found out that they had a lot more male applicants, but just deliberately decided to accept more females. I didn’t feel like I was in that class because of merit or I was good enough; I was one of the lucky men who had the opportunity to have a higher education.
I just can’t wait for the day where people get paid fairly regardless of race, gender or sexuality. I think I’ll be dead before that happens though, if it ever does.
Capitalism doesn’t work but everyone defends it as the right way and “fair” no matter how often it shows its failures.