What had once been at the fringes of right-wing libertarianism is now mainstream in Washington. Greenland has long been on the radar of the crypto-libertarians as a territory to start their 'network states' dream; coincidentally, just as their cash has captured Washington politicians, the US is now talking of invading it.
Is there a more harmful dynamic at play? If those who believe your country is in irreversible decline are put in charge, might they intentionally worsen its state to prove their point? Some argue this is already happening.
The Crypto-industry is using hundreds of millions of dollars to advance its agenda in Washington, that the US is in long-term decline and the alternative is new 'network state' territories around the world governed by business owners.
byu/lughnasadh inFuturology
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I think you’re onto something interesting that I haven’t heard about yet, but I can’t understand your thesis. Awkward phrasing.
This just seems more performative or a test of the waters as they already run the entire government, and it runs like crap
The whole “libertarian” angle is pretty stupid as I’m sure they will tie themselves up when you suggest a company that has the sole goal of crushing their monopolies, among the “rules for thee” mentality of all current political parties
Also, stay away from meme coins and CBDCs
Why has futureology suddenly become about how the world is going to become shadowrun in the near future?
Trump was talking about Greenland during his first presidency
holy fuck, I forgot about the crypto mines in Greenland. that’s a connection I had not made. shit
Why does the rest of the world need to allow these stages because the US is in decline? You want to turn your country into a libertarian cyberpunk mess, have at it, but leave the rest of us alone.
BTC is 99% hype.
Monero is literally better in every way, but BTC is where the hype is.
Besides that the only actual thing people use crypto for is the hope that the value will go up and someone else will be stuck holding the bag.
Funny how these crypto bros always see themselves as the right people to govern these new network states.
The US is already goverened by business owners. That’s how capitalism works. I don’t understand why they are lobbying to get what they already have.
Such a terrible idea, why do they think it’s good? Literally the dumbest idea for governance
Factory towns from the gilded age are about to get an update! Fuck that.
And it all could have been avoided if people used open source software instead of giving power hungry corporations all the power
Here is a really good podcast series on the network state if people want to learn more! Balaji Srinivasan and his cohort of peoples’ ideas are absolutely fucked.
[https://theblockchainsocialist.com/category/podcast/overthrowing-the-network-state/](https://theblockchainsocialist.com/category/podcast/overthrowing-the-network-state/)
This was completely predicted by the movie “Network”.
It’s not just the US and they’ve already started. There’s California Forever, where they’re trying to start some Eco Utopia by stealing land from ranchers. There’s also Lieber Land, where they stole part of Croatia to set up their crypto based economy. Shit’s wild.
How come Crypto isn’t declared a weapon of mass destruction?
The rich will just amass more and more wealth. It accumulates much faster than those of us who earn moderate to low. The gap will only become bigger and bigger and we’ll force to live in whatever society they create.
I try not to think about it. I just need an open road and my motorcycle and some income and I’ll be happy.
This is techno feudalism these people would turn us all into slaves. I used to lie crypto, before I understood the way it’s being used by fascists.
Greenland is much more about a strategic position to control the Northwest Passage as Arctic ice breaks up due to global warming. It has actual strategic value far past the value of the land or economic activity. Like I’m sure dumbass crypto bros have some grand plans for their libertarian societies where they can get eaten en masse by polar bears but I don’t think that’s anywhere near a primary motive.
Lobbying is in final stages of destroying the country. Nothing people can do about it
What I don’t understand about these Bros and their Network States is how they expect the conversion to actually work out. Like the entire world is not going to immediately convert over to corporate mini-states, so you’re going to have a bunch of tiny sovereign Nations intermixed with the Russias, Chinas, and United States of the world? Who’s going to keep those countries from just taking over these network states? Because I don’t know if they’re paying attention to what our current Nations want to do to their smaller weaker neighbors, but it ain’t live peacefully. And I can’t imagine a corporate Network state Fielding any sort of sizable military or being able to defend themselves from actual nation states.
“And THE alternative is”
What? There are so many alternatives. Let’s talk about some options shall we. Sweaty Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin and his monarchy nonsense are the last people we want in charge
This sounds similar to Peter Theil’s long running seasteading model, except seasteading centers around establishing self-governing communities at sea. These communities run tax and regulation free businesses on yachts or cruise ships that house workers.
What is so insane is that there ARE countries where you could be rich and do whatever you want, but the people are poor AF. It turns out that functional governments are necessary for growth. There is no rich libertarian country but there are plenty of “free markets with no regulation” that are shitholes.
The problem with these nerd reich fantasies is that other parties have agency, too.
People who don’t like your plan don’t have to just passively go along with it.
Yeah, it’s call Accellerationism, and lots of dark enlightenment people are into it. Pretty dark stuff, basically a counter-revolution against the enlightenment and one of its greatest products — the US Constitution
Russia has implemented the “Digital Ruble” cryptocurrency. Trump doesn’t want to feel “left out” or outpaced by his KGB komrade. He’s welcoming these jokers with open arms.
Yeah, this is the whole Curtis Yarvin/Balaji “Reset”/”Network State” plan, which co-opts the Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025 plan, since they essentially have the same steps and its easy to use religion and intolerance to fool people into supporting your techno-fascist dystopia under the guise of theocracy.
As someone that works in corporate america, the business owner class are often some of the dumbest motherfuckers in any company. They are clueless how anything works and yet feel they’re the smartest people in the room.
Self inflicted decline. Could be fixed quickly if Americans stopped electing Republicans, these guys govern just to prove government doesn’t work.
This is basically like the video game Syndicate, where nations are replaced by Corporations.