>The loans would not be interest-free, with the Government deciding which rate of inflation to peg them to, such as RPI or CPI.
>If their asylum claim is successful they would begin paying back the money spent on their accommodation once finding a job.
That is… creative, I suppose.
The article goes on to mention that only a little over half of asylum claims get accepted. Also, I suspect that the job market isn’t going to be kind even to those who do get accepted, given that whatever qualifications and work experience they may have may not be accepted by British employers.
The performative cruelty is probably the point, but this is an unworkable proposal and the government would never be able to recover the money from the majority of debtors.
padestel on
What I’m taking from this is that the Tories think student loan type arrangements are a punishment. Cool stuff.
Naive_Carpenter7321 on
I wonder how many would prefer to work for their keep rather than being kept, told to stay indoors then complained about.
Muted_Lack_1047 on
Local council elections are just round the corner. I expect a plethora of ridiculous, headline grabbing proposals like this.
Remember the Rwanda scheme started life as a halfwit publicity stunt for local council elections.
chilli_con_camera on
Wait, the Tories who allowed such a huge backlog of asylum claims to build up that they had to start housing asylum seekers in hotels?
potpan0 on
Asylum seekers should not be housed in hotels in the first place when private companies use this as a blatant opportunity to fleece the state and profiteer. So many crumbling hotels which would struggle to charge visitors £20 a night instead charge the state *thousands of pounds* a month per asylum seeker they house.
Many of these properties are operated by individuals with close connections to their local councils or national political parties. This is brazen corruption practised by national/local politicians, the same sort of corruption we see around the provisions of social housing, homeless shelters, and plenty of other properties rented by the state. Yet right-wing press and politicians instead blame this farce on asylum seekers themselves. It’s the perfect racket.
The government could incredibly easily implement compulsory purchase orders for these buildings (because, due to neglect, they’re all falling apart anyway) and run them for a fraction of the cost. But that would remove the opportunity for widespread corruption and political patronage to go on, so they’ll just continue allowing asylum seekers to take the blame for this farce.
MeasurementTall8677 on
Oh I’m sure they’ll be a rush to keep up with those repayments.
Why do they even bother to come up with this tosh
Fantastic-Yogurt5297 on
If they cant work/dont find work/refuse to work, then they fall in to the benefits system. Where we give them money for fuck all.
Like what are we trying to do with the asylum system, bring people from poverty to bring them into another system where they’re in poverty and as such can never integrate with society?
How long are we gonna keep fucking asylum cases up? until we finally realize we need to shut it down, re-think it for a year or two and then open it up again?
g0ldingboy on
When they reach a certain pay grade they start paying it back? So they just don’t work or do cash in hand jobs..
Stop with this waste of time effort.
Fun-End-2947 on
Cool – so if successful, instead of pursuing legal work and paying tax, they would be encouraged to ACTUALLY “scrounge” like they always get accused of
Because why the fuck bother working a low paid job just to get taxed into oblivion and be made to pay on top in a spiral of ever growing taxation?
Most would likely end up being caught in modern day slavery on the promise of cash in hand
Sounds precisely like a Tory policy to me
5FabulousWeeks on
If only they had enough time in power to implement something like this.
SpareDesigner1 on
As a very right wing, anti-immigration type of guy, this is extremely stupid. It’s exactly what we’ve come to expect from the Tories – silly, convoluted non-solutions so that they can posture as being anti- mass immigration when in fact they are the party that has been by far the most pro-immigration in British history and with the exception of Germany and perhaps Sweden the most pro-immigration in European history.
There is an extremely obvious and effective solution to mass immigration, which is to enforce a normative interpretation of the law. The absurd situation we have had over the past few years where we have had, for example, Albanians, who have no conceivable reason to need asylum anywhere, and Pakistanis, who are from a country on the other side of the world that is not at war with anybody but itself (and arguably the Afghan Taliban their government once supported), claiming asylum in a country which has no connection with them whatsoever is a patent abuse of the Refugee Conventions and the spirit in which they were written. The same goes for student visas.
dcnb65 on
Maybe there should be a student loan style scheme for the tories to pay back all the money they squandered when they were in power, PPE for example. I am sure there would be plenty of support for it.
AcademicIncrease8080 on
This won’t work, they will still come and will just not pay off their loans, like how most students will never pay off their debt either.
We should **only** be taking in vetted refugees direct from refugee camps in active warzones, that way we know exactly who we’re giving asylum to, and that they are genuine refugees. It also means we can prioritise those who are most vulnerable e.g. women and children.
We need an introduction of zero tolerance for all illegal channel migrants, until we have this approach the economic migrants will continue to arrive in large numbers, because there are huge incentives to reach the UK.
Mattlife97 on
Tories were the ones insistent on not processing them and therefore keeping them in these (tory donor owned) hotels.
monkeyhorse11 on
Nope just deport every single one and their families please.
Capable_Pack_7346 on
Oh yes. I can imagine the debts will be repaid no bother
Reactance15 on
Capitalising on people’s misery is back to BAU for the conservatives.
grrrranm on
Just stop them coming in just!
Close the border, send them back and if they do get through put them tented camps on the Isle of white or Guernsey…
NarcolepticPhysicist on
How is that gonna work, a significant portion of them don’t ever get well paid jobs and have few or no skills. Those that do have skills and education are generally the ones with the most legit claim- they wouldn’t have left their homes otherwise. The issue is the economic migrants playing the system which is frankly a joke and most of them lack the skills, the knowledge, the training or how to speak English properly.
FarFun1 on
Yes, once they’re granted asylum after being housed for an extended length of time of our own creation, they should pay up. They are second class citizens after all
Pale_Goose_918 on
A complete waste of civil service time unlikely to yield a net benefit, an apt summary of the last 14 years.
How many Vietnamese or Albanian workers being targeted by traffickers is this going to deter? Absolutely none. “You currently live on £5k a year, but if you come here and earn £26k, we will take a small % on anything above it!”
How does it help anyone who’s genuinely got a reasonable claim to set up a life here? Also none.
Allnamestaken69 on
Getting money from people who have literally nothing is just nonsensical.
Live-Cheesecake-2788 on
14 years in power and this is only now the “solution” now. It’s bollocks that won’t work but it will play well to a certain voter.
Zofia-Bosak on
They should be housed in tents in fenced off locations patrolled by the army and the UNHCR can feed and care for them until they are deported, which they will be because entering the country without a valid visa is a criminal offence.
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>The loans would not be interest-free, with the Government deciding which rate of inflation to peg them to, such as RPI or CPI.
>If their asylum claim is successful they would begin paying back the money spent on their accommodation once finding a job.
That is… creative, I suppose.
The article goes on to mention that only a little over half of asylum claims get accepted. Also, I suspect that the job market isn’t going to be kind even to those who do get accepted, given that whatever qualifications and work experience they may have may not be accepted by British employers.
The performative cruelty is probably the point, but this is an unworkable proposal and the government would never be able to recover the money from the majority of debtors.
What I’m taking from this is that the Tories think student loan type arrangements are a punishment. Cool stuff.
I wonder how many would prefer to work for their keep rather than being kept, told to stay indoors then complained about.
Local council elections are just round the corner. I expect a plethora of ridiculous, headline grabbing proposals like this.
Remember the Rwanda scheme started life as a halfwit publicity stunt for local council elections.
Wait, the Tories who allowed such a huge backlog of asylum claims to build up that they had to start housing asylum seekers in hotels?
Asylum seekers should not be housed in hotels in the first place when private companies use this as a blatant opportunity to fleece the state and profiteer. So many crumbling hotels which would struggle to charge visitors £20 a night instead charge the state *thousands of pounds* a month per asylum seeker they house.
Many of these properties are operated by individuals with close connections to their local councils or national political parties. This is brazen corruption practised by national/local politicians, the same sort of corruption we see around the provisions of social housing, homeless shelters, and plenty of other properties rented by the state. Yet right-wing press and politicians instead blame this farce on asylum seekers themselves. It’s the perfect racket.
The government could incredibly easily implement compulsory purchase orders for these buildings (because, due to neglect, they’re all falling apart anyway) and run them for a fraction of the cost. But that would remove the opportunity for widespread corruption and political patronage to go on, so they’ll just continue allowing asylum seekers to take the blame for this farce.
Oh I’m sure they’ll be a rush to keep up with those repayments.
Why do they even bother to come up with this tosh
If they cant work/dont find work/refuse to work, then they fall in to the benefits system. Where we give them money for fuck all.
Like what are we trying to do with the asylum system, bring people from poverty to bring them into another system where they’re in poverty and as such can never integrate with society?
How long are we gonna keep fucking asylum cases up? until we finally realize we need to shut it down, re-think it for a year or two and then open it up again?
When they reach a certain pay grade they start paying it back? So they just don’t work or do cash in hand jobs..
Stop with this waste of time effort.
Cool – so if successful, instead of pursuing legal work and paying tax, they would be encouraged to ACTUALLY “scrounge” like they always get accused of
Because why the fuck bother working a low paid job just to get taxed into oblivion and be made to pay on top in a spiral of ever growing taxation?
Most would likely end up being caught in modern day slavery on the promise of cash in hand
Sounds precisely like a Tory policy to me
If only they had enough time in power to implement something like this.
As a very right wing, anti-immigration type of guy, this is extremely stupid. It’s exactly what we’ve come to expect from the Tories – silly, convoluted non-solutions so that they can posture as being anti- mass immigration when in fact they are the party that has been by far the most pro-immigration in British history and with the exception of Germany and perhaps Sweden the most pro-immigration in European history.
There is an extremely obvious and effective solution to mass immigration, which is to enforce a normative interpretation of the law. The absurd situation we have had over the past few years where we have had, for example, Albanians, who have no conceivable reason to need asylum anywhere, and Pakistanis, who are from a country on the other side of the world that is not at war with anybody but itself (and arguably the Afghan Taliban their government once supported), claiming asylum in a country which has no connection with them whatsoever is a patent abuse of the Refugee Conventions and the spirit in which they were written. The same goes for student visas.
Maybe there should be a student loan style scheme for the tories to pay back all the money they squandered when they were in power, PPE for example. I am sure there would be plenty of support for it.
This won’t work, they will still come and will just not pay off their loans, like how most students will never pay off their debt either.
We should **only** be taking in vetted refugees direct from refugee camps in active warzones, that way we know exactly who we’re giving asylum to, and that they are genuine refugees. It also means we can prioritise those who are most vulnerable e.g. women and children.
We need an introduction of zero tolerance for all illegal channel migrants, until we have this approach the economic migrants will continue to arrive in large numbers, because there are huge incentives to reach the UK.
Tories were the ones insistent on not processing them and therefore keeping them in these (tory donor owned) hotels.
Nope just deport every single one and their families please.
Oh yes. I can imagine the debts will be repaid no bother
Capitalising on people’s misery is back to BAU for the conservatives.
Just stop them coming in just!
Close the border, send them back and if they do get through put them tented camps on the Isle of white or Guernsey…
How is that gonna work, a significant portion of them don’t ever get well paid jobs and have few or no skills. Those that do have skills and education are generally the ones with the most legit claim- they wouldn’t have left their homes otherwise. The issue is the economic migrants playing the system which is frankly a joke and most of them lack the skills, the knowledge, the training or how to speak English properly.
Yes, once they’re granted asylum after being housed for an extended length of time of our own creation, they should pay up. They are second class citizens after all
A complete waste of civil service time unlikely to yield a net benefit, an apt summary of the last 14 years.
How many Vietnamese or Albanian workers being targeted by traffickers is this going to deter? Absolutely none. “You currently live on £5k a year, but if you come here and earn £26k, we will take a small % on anything above it!”
How does it help anyone who’s genuinely got a reasonable claim to set up a life here? Also none.
Getting money from people who have literally nothing is just nonsensical.
14 years in power and this is only now the “solution” now. It’s bollocks that won’t work but it will play well to a certain voter.
They should be housed in tents in fenced off locations patrolled by the army and the UNHCR can feed and care for them until they are deported, which they will be because entering the country without a valid visa is a criminal offence.