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    1. corbynista2029 on

      >The analysis shows just over 370,000 people who currently claim personal independence payments will lose them, while another 430,000 who would have been eligible for them in the future will not now get it. On average these people will lose **£4,500 a year**.

      These are people with disabilities, just not “severe enough” in Labour eyes.

      What. The. Fuck.

    2. Fantastic-Yogurt5297 on

      It’s worth remembering from this, that we cant keep borrowing money to fund the welfare state. Like clearly we’re not generating enough taxes.

      I appreciate we could tax certain groups more.

    3. The real question we should be asking is why many who do work full-time in the country still have to rely on benefits while the richest have doubled their wealth in the last 5 years.

      But no, much easier for the party funds to tip people out of wheelchairs into the factories.

    4. Weary-Candy8252 on

      Evil. Just pure evil. There aren’t any more words I can use as I’d be jailed for doing so.

    5. California-Craftsman on

      Fake asylum seekers prioritized over our own disabled – it’s like reverse fascism where foreigners have to come first.

    6. 250,000 people being dumped into poverty for a political choice. Absolutely sickening. If this was the tories there’d be uproar.

      Don’t know about anyone else but I certainly won’t ever vote labour again

    7. HauntedFurniture on

      There are two types of comments cropping up a lot on these posts lately:

      1) the disabled are scroungers who could work if they wanted to

      2) regrettably market conditions mean we can no longer afford to support the disabled ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      Honestly have more respect for the former, at least they say the quiet part aloud.

    8. Why are there so many people depending on benefits? Workers are struggling, infrastructure is collapsing and yet we seem to just be spending more and more on benefits. Do other equivalent countries just not bother with these benefits?

    9. This is not the Labour party that I knew. This is Tory 2.0. They have lost me as a supporter. Completely. Nothing they do now will make me want to vote for them. Not ever again

    10. salamanderwolf on

      250,000 more people, including 50,000 children pushed into poverty according the governments own figures, and they still choose to do it.

      Make no mistake, this is a choice they didn’t have to make. They decided 50,000 kids in poverty was a better outcome than a wealth tax, legalising weed, taxing land banks or any other number of ways to increase revenue.

    11. OTribal_chief on

      cutting benefits – yes

      taxing the rich – too difficult. impossible some might say.

    12. Congratulations, you just lost 3m predominantly labour-voting people permanently in elections.

      This one policy will **guarantee** they are a single election government.

    13. Electrical-Bad9671 on

      I think there really is an argument here for bringing back supported employment and work houses. Some of the people set to lose PIP and therefore Universal Credit are going to be some of the hardest to employ. Things like schizophrenia, bipolar, head injuries, unpredictable seizures, neurological difficulties, severe speech and language difficulties, trauma, personality disorders, Tics. Most of these people will be restricted from driving and will have a disability bus pass which further affects their prospects. Or the ‘treatment’ comes with major side effects which restricts work

      This is so far removed from the ‘work is good for people with anxiety and depression’ argument

      Its not fair to take away people’s benefits when the chances of them being able to find work is zero. Guarantee them a job then remove benefits if you must. The government is just abandoning the unemployable.

    14. OStO_Cartography on

      Not to worry! All the private bean counters facilitating the transition, and the lawyers who will mount the inevitable appeals, are sure to make a lot of money.

    15. Stock_Ad8061 on

      Both lots of benefits have been heavily abused and now the people in genuine need are penalised because of others people’s laziness and greed.

    16. This plan is dangerously shortsighted. Saving £5b annually could end up costing 20 times if implemented, and things go for the worst, which is very possible.

      Cutting disability support to unliveable levels won’t reduce need—it will just shift the burden. Those denied payments will still require support, now from families, and local councils. This drains money that would otherwise circulate in the economy in a productive manner.

      On a personal level, families forced to provide care sacrifice their financial, mental, and physical health. Working caregivers become less productive, damaging workforce participation.

      Informal family care currently saves roughly ~£190b annually in social, and healthcare costs. Once families can no longer cope, and decide it’s not on them to “shoulder” these costs, they will fall on councils and the government as statutory obligations—far outweighing any initial savings.

    17. How do you grow without investment? You don’t you shrink in a doom loop.

      Public assets stripped, years of flogging the lot to private hands, and now there’s nothing left to “reform” but the wheelchairs. Maybe we can lease those back too, £9.99/month, batteries not included. If that fails, I hear there’s a decent market for wisdom teeth.

    18. terrordactyl1971 on

      Don’t worry if you cant feed your kids, at least the MPs got a well deserved payrise……right? There’s never ever been a recession in Westminster, nice.

    19. ucardiologist on

      3 million people on benefits and we are bringing 2.5 millions people from India and Nigeria to work because of severe workers shortages.
      How did we actually got here?
      They should have never been given those benefits in the first place
      No wonder we are paying taxes through the nose. For these people to stay at home buy latest £1000 iPhones watch sky Tv and sit with they’re hand under their back sides

    20. 14million in relative poverty and the government think taking away from those at the bottom is a good idea.

      Labour are a fucking joke and if i have to see Angela Raynor saying how she’s working class one more fucking time I swear I will explode.

      Imagine getting elected after decades of cuts on a mandate of change and then thinking what people want is more cuts to services and support. Jesus labour really are stupid, it’s like they want to lose the next election so badly that their name only exists in history books as a political party.

    21. jim123321321 on

      God I hate Reeves, I’ll be honest I’m done, I just can’t get by anymore, life is simply too difficult and too expensive and now this is just going to break everything completely.

    22. mustwinfullGaming on

      As ever, there’s a lot of non disabled people who swear they know how easy it is to get PIP when they’ve had no personal experience of the process, and despite many disabled people telling them otherwise, when they’ve actually been through the process. If anything, PIP is underclaimed! It’s made intentionally hard to get so disabled people give up and don’t actually fight for what they’re entitled to.

      Also people who are suddenly experts on disabilities on all kinds.

      You’re only an accident away from being disabled yourself, and then you’ll realise how horrible it is to be disabled in a lot of ways.

    23. Ive worked in adult social care for the last decade and have worked with countless people who receive disability benefits. I’ve also helped people apply for benefits, appealed decisions and been to tribunal dozens of times over benefit appeals.

      What gets lost in all these discussions about people who claim benefits is that they are people just like me and you.

      To people who talk about benefit recipients as being some other seperate group of people that could never include themselves – I hope you all live long and healthy lives, I hope that you never become chronically unwell or disabled – but it absolutely can happen to you.

      Ive worked with countless people who were able to live and work independently who have become chronically unwell through no fault of their own.

      They didn’t expect to have brain injuries or strokes, they didn’t think they would have MS or MND, they didn’t think their limbs would stop working or their cognition would be impaired, they didnt think they would develop schizophenia or become mentally unwell – but it happened anyway.

      We are fragile vulnerable beings and we can all to easily become sick or disabled through no fault of our own. You are one burst blood vessel, one bad fall, one knock to the head away from being disabled, and your independence can be taken away so quickly.

      This could happen to you or your loved ones. I pray that it doesn’t – but please don’t think you are immune to it and that it could never happen to you.