Oh great, get mentally ill people back into work by cutting both benefits and mental health services
Im sure that’ll turn out well
EverybodySayin on
“We’re going to cut benefits for mental health conditions”
“So you’ll be putting that money into improved mental health services to help them back into work, right?”
“….”
“Right?”
Legitimate-Metal-560 on
Or, in other words, absolute spending on mental health is still increasing?
I have a conjecture for reddit: Blue Labour, for all their flaws, are still better for us than the alternatives, otherwise the press would not be railling so hard against them.
PromiseOk3438 on
I guess the average wait of 12 weeks before recieving any counselling was too quick.
Dramatic-Ad-4607 on
When are people going to realise the people in government despise you if you have mental health problems and are very old school in their views about it. They are the ones who many of us would have had to hide our mental health back in the early 2000s because it was taboo to talk about and you’d be seen as a nutter and unstable. They smile and say the are progressive but they think we are nutters who need to fade away quietly.
salamanderwolf on
Mental health needs more money, not less, and couple that with the slash to disability benefits, especially for mental health, and you have a disaster waiting to happen.
I honestly believe this whole idiotic bunch of muppets should see a health care professional as soon as possible because every decision they make is insane.
ColdRepresentative41 on
I suppose we’re dropping all the campaigns encouraging anyone suffering to speak out about it too. Doesn’t feel like we are a country where it’s okay to speak up anymore and I bet a lot of people are going to start bottling it all up again at this rate, especially men who still mostly suffer in silence.
Numerous_Ticket_7628 on
Feels like we’re going backwards in mental health understanding. Wouldn’t surprise me if it’s taken off the disability law completely soon.
Traffodil on
Please can someone explain why we don’t increase taxes for those affluent enough to notice it less, rather than cut services that are relied upon by everyone?
philster666 on
Nothing like an increasingly depressed underpaid workforce to kickstart a stuttering economy…
Particular-Back610 on
Just when it is needed most.
This government is becoming increasingly nasty at a level unheard of even from our Tory friends.
pikantnasuka on
The state of mental health services is frightening as it is. This isn’t encouraging news.
all_about_that_ace on
I guess instead of a 6 week cbt course for everything it’s going to be 3 weeks instead…
Jared_Usbourne on
*A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson said: “This Government is increasing investment in mental health care by an extra £320 million in real terms, meeting the Mental Health Investment Standard.
“This includes funding to recruit 8,500 staff across mental health services, expanding mental health support in schools and investing in new mental health crisis centres – helping deliver our Plan for Change to ensure everyone can access the care they need.”*
At the bottom of the article, you see that mental health spending is going up by £300m in real terms.
Sir_Henry_Deadman on
The amount of mentally ill I deal with on a monthly basis at hospital taking up beds for social reasons is clearly going to increase then
Positive-Wafer4 on
If you’ve commented without reading the article, I’m sorry but you are part of the problem.
Acrobatic_Demand_476 on
This is so depressing. I’ve been through the process with the NHS for MH problems and it was dire. It’s starved of funding, so let’s cut it more eh? I’m sure nobody will die…
Salaried_Zebra on
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaàaaaaaaaaaaaa I think I can afford
>Mr Streeting’s statement said the “proportion of spend is almost exactly the same as it was last year” and the 0.07% difference is because of “significant investment in other areas of healthcare”.
Secondly, genuinely shocked that 8.71% of baseline NHS spending is on mental health. Both of their staff members dedicated to mental health must be raking it in…
That number could have been <1% and I wouldn’t have been remotely surprised. There is something of a positive I guess in that if we are spending that much for the square root of fuck all, there is a genuine possibility of reform delivering much better care and outcomes without needing too much extra spending.
(Side note: hating more and more with time that Farage’s orange turd tribute act is steadily ruining the word “reform”)
Skysflies on
This isn’t just going to kill the mentally ill, but it’ll also kill people who are unfortunate enough to encounter a mentally ill individual who should be getting supported with medication and treatment but has a attack because nothing is being done
goji__berry on
Im sure they’ll be fine once they’re back in a job and having a mental breakdown with no hope of receiving any sort of support, I’m sure the hospital I work in won’t see a strange but unexplainable increase in patient admissions
SamVimesBootTheory on
So cutting benefits and cutting mental health spending not doing much to combat the ‘government is trying to kill people’ allegations
Subarudriver01 on
FFS.
I’m a social worker in a mental health team. Our area has 204 patients unallocated because of staffing and funding issues. The mental health nurses in our team are running with caseloads of 40 to 50 patients and obviously just end up fire fighting and dealing with emergencies.
Also the 204 is not including anyone sat on a waiting list for autism or ADHD assessment. In our area then waiting lists are four to five years long.
The lack of resources is profound and has a direct impact on patient care.
Through__Glass on
The UK isn’t a good place to be a Psychology graduate
YourBestDream4752 on
Absolutely vile person. Absolutely vile government.
0x633546a298e734700b on
Oh thank God everyone is doing better mentally….. That’s what this means right?
*Insert Anakin meme *
InternetHomunculus on
I like how this is buried at the bottom of the article:
>A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson said: “This Government is increasing investment in mental health care by an extra £320 million in real terms, meeting the Mental Health Investment Standard.
The % of the total budget spent on mental health has dropped 0.07% because of spending increases in other areas, despite the £320 million uplift. If you only read the headline you are getting incredibly mislead
keanehoodies on
Having been unemployed for a year now, I can tell you that there are loads of jobs out there. But just because I want a job doesnt mean I’ll be given one?
I applied for McDonalds, they said no. likely because my CV is all graphic design work and they would expect me to jump ship whenever I could.
I applied for a coffee shop, they said no because even tho I have barista experience they wanted me to be able to make their coffees they way they make them on the spot with no guidance.
If you want people to work, talk to employers. Who are increasingly **unappeasable** and expect every hire to be a magic unicorn who can do every thing without any training and then complain that no one wants to work.
Cutting benefits and health care as some kind of “push” to get people working is insane because loads of people DO WANT TO WORK>
SamPlinth on
Who believes anything that Wes “Private Healthcare Advocate” Streeting says?
StepMu on
So there’s too many people on PIP for mental health issues but they want to cut mental healthcare funding? Baffling logic.
jenvonlee on
If they want fewer mental health issues they should make this country a less miserable and depressing place to live.
I’ve lived with CPTSD and Psychosis my whole life, and while it’s always been difficult to get doctors to listen, in recent years it’s gotten worse and worse.. to the point I recently moved towns and GPs and they’ve LOST my medical records and now my new GP has nothing to go on when seeing me. Its a farce.
But sure, let’s cut it even more. That’ll help the mentally ill back to work in all the non existent jobs there are for us. They’re absolutely chomping at the bit to hire someone that can disassociate for 24 hours at a time or black out and turn violent under stress.
But according to some I’m living the easy life.
Commercial_Thanks546 on
I lost a significant portion of my life to prolonged depression whilst trying and failing to get any sort of meaningful help from the NHS. It took so much from me and lowered my economic output considerably. From a purely economical standpoint mental health funding limitations make absolutely no sense. We spend over 10x on benefits and lost productivity attributable to depression alone than what we spend treating it.
Ulysses1978ii on
The social return on investment must be high for these services?!
OnionTerrorBabtridge on
Still waiting 24 months for my son’s autism diagnosis. What’s another 2 years?
Tasmosunt on
Government “too many people are on disability because of mental health issues”
Also government “mental healthcare funding is not a priority”
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Oh great, get mentally ill people back into work by cutting both benefits and mental health services
Im sure that’ll turn out well
“We’re going to cut benefits for mental health conditions”
“So you’ll be putting that money into improved mental health services to help them back into work, right?”
“….”
“Right?”
Or, in other words, absolute spending on mental health is still increasing?
I have a conjecture for reddit: Blue Labour, for all their flaws, are still better for us than the alternatives, otherwise the press would not be railling so hard against them.
I guess the average wait of 12 weeks before recieving any counselling was too quick.
When are people going to realise the people in government despise you if you have mental health problems and are very old school in their views about it. They are the ones who many of us would have had to hide our mental health back in the early 2000s because it was taboo to talk about and you’d be seen as a nutter and unstable. They smile and say the are progressive but they think we are nutters who need to fade away quietly.
Mental health needs more money, not less, and couple that with the slash to disability benefits, especially for mental health, and you have a disaster waiting to happen.
I honestly believe this whole idiotic bunch of muppets should see a health care professional as soon as possible because every decision they make is insane.
I suppose we’re dropping all the campaigns encouraging anyone suffering to speak out about it too. Doesn’t feel like we are a country where it’s okay to speak up anymore and I bet a lot of people are going to start bottling it all up again at this rate, especially men who still mostly suffer in silence.
Feels like we’re going backwards in mental health understanding. Wouldn’t surprise me if it’s taken off the disability law completely soon.
Please can someone explain why we don’t increase taxes for those affluent enough to notice it less, rather than cut services that are relied upon by everyone?
Nothing like an increasingly depressed underpaid workforce to kickstart a stuttering economy…
Just when it is needed most.
This government is becoming increasingly nasty at a level unheard of even from our Tory friends.
The state of mental health services is frightening as it is. This isn’t encouraging news.
I guess instead of a 6 week cbt course for everything it’s going to be 3 weeks instead…
*A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson said: “This Government is increasing investment in mental health care by an extra £320 million in real terms, meeting the Mental Health Investment Standard.
“This includes funding to recruit 8,500 staff across mental health services, expanding mental health support in schools and investing in new mental health crisis centres – helping deliver our Plan for Change to ensure everyone can access the care they need.”*
At the bottom of the article, you see that mental health spending is going up by £300m in real terms.
The amount of mentally ill I deal with on a monthly basis at hospital taking up beds for social reasons is clearly going to increase then
If you’ve commented without reading the article, I’m sorry but you are part of the problem.
This is so depressing. I’ve been through the process with the NHS for MH problems and it was dire. It’s starved of funding, so let’s cut it more eh? I’m sure nobody will die…
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaàaaaaaaaaaaaa I think I can afford
So firstly, massively misleading headline:
>In a written ministerial statement published on Thursday, [Health Secretary](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/health-secretary) [Wes Streeting](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/wes-streeting) confirmed mental health spending as a share of baseline NHS spending would fall by 0.07% to 8.71% in 2025-26.
>Mr Streeting’s statement said the “proportion of spend is almost exactly the same as it was last year” and the 0.07% difference is because of “significant investment in other areas of healthcare”.
Secondly, genuinely shocked that 8.71% of baseline NHS spending is on mental health. Both of their staff members dedicated to mental health must be raking it in…
That number could have been <1% and I wouldn’t have been remotely surprised. There is something of a positive I guess in that if we are spending that much for the square root of fuck all, there is a genuine possibility of reform delivering much better care and outcomes without needing too much extra spending.
(Side note: hating more and more with time that Farage’s orange turd tribute act is steadily ruining the word “reform”)
This isn’t just going to kill the mentally ill, but it’ll also kill people who are unfortunate enough to encounter a mentally ill individual who should be getting supported with medication and treatment but has a attack because nothing is being done
Im sure they’ll be fine once they’re back in a job and having a mental breakdown with no hope of receiving any sort of support, I’m sure the hospital I work in won’t see a strange but unexplainable increase in patient admissions
So cutting benefits and cutting mental health spending not doing much to combat the ‘government is trying to kill people’ allegations
FFS.
I’m a social worker in a mental health team. Our area has 204 patients unallocated because of staffing and funding issues. The mental health nurses in our team are running with caseloads of 40 to 50 patients and obviously just end up fire fighting and dealing with emergencies.
Also the 204 is not including anyone sat on a waiting list for autism or ADHD assessment. In our area then waiting lists are four to five years long.
The lack of resources is profound and has a direct impact on patient care.
The UK isn’t a good place to be a Psychology graduate
Absolutely vile person. Absolutely vile government.
Oh thank God everyone is doing better mentally….. That’s what this means right?
*Insert Anakin meme *
I like how this is buried at the bottom of the article:
>A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson said: “This Government is increasing investment in mental health care by an extra £320 million in real terms, meeting the Mental Health Investment Standard.
The % of the total budget spent on mental health has dropped 0.07% because of spending increases in other areas, despite the £320 million uplift. If you only read the headline you are getting incredibly mislead
Having been unemployed for a year now, I can tell you that there are loads of jobs out there. But just because I want a job doesnt mean I’ll be given one?
I applied for McDonalds, they said no. likely because my CV is all graphic design work and they would expect me to jump ship whenever I could.
I applied for a coffee shop, they said no because even tho I have barista experience they wanted me to be able to make their coffees they way they make them on the spot with no guidance.
If you want people to work, talk to employers. Who are increasingly **unappeasable** and expect every hire to be a magic unicorn who can do every thing without any training and then complain that no one wants to work.
Cutting benefits and health care as some kind of “push” to get people working is insane because loads of people DO WANT TO WORK>
Who believes anything that Wes “Private Healthcare Advocate” Streeting says?
So there’s too many people on PIP for mental health issues but they want to cut mental healthcare funding? Baffling logic.
If they want fewer mental health issues they should make this country a less miserable and depressing place to live.
I’ve lived with CPTSD and Psychosis my whole life, and while it’s always been difficult to get doctors to listen, in recent years it’s gotten worse and worse.. to the point I recently moved towns and GPs and they’ve LOST my medical records and now my new GP has nothing to go on when seeing me. Its a farce.
But sure, let’s cut it even more. That’ll help the mentally ill back to work in all the non existent jobs there are for us. They’re absolutely chomping at the bit to hire someone that can disassociate for 24 hours at a time or black out and turn violent under stress.
But according to some I’m living the easy life.
I lost a significant portion of my life to prolonged depression whilst trying and failing to get any sort of meaningful help from the NHS. It took so much from me and lowered my economic output considerably. From a purely economical standpoint mental health funding limitations make absolutely no sense. We spend over 10x on benefits and lost productivity attributable to depression alone than what we spend treating it.
The social return on investment must be high for these services?!
Still waiting 24 months for my son’s autism diagnosis. What’s another 2 years?
Government “too many people are on disability because of mental health issues”
Also government “mental healthcare funding is not a priority”