No evidence Labour welfare cuts will get more people into work, OBR says
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-benefits-cuts-welfare-obr-reeves-b2722497.html
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No evidence Labour welfare cuts will get more people into work, OBR says
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-benefits-cuts-welfare-obr-reeves-b2722497.html
Posted by JayR_97
37 Comments
Cutting support for vulnerable and unwell individuals with limited capability for work won’t magically make them better? Oh dang.
Of course it won’t, it was just to try and sell the idea that all disabled people are workshy scroungers.
There is a big cut on money going to mental health services and the Access to Work programme, the opposite to any serious attempt to get people back to work
I mean them stagnating the economy will just leave more unemployed people leading to more people on benefits and less people paying tax leading to the economy contracting in the close future.
It’s just going to make things worse for disabled people. That’s all thats going to happen.
stop importing cheap labour, that will get more people into work and better paying work.
I guess I can just throw away all my antidepressants, mood stabilisers, and antipsychotics, benefit cuts will cure me!
Im calling it the ‘Bus Method’, you throw people under the bus, if they can get up afterwards then they’re clearly hardy enough to not need help, and if they dont… well they’re not gonna be needing help anymore…
Who would of thought that people who can’t work regardless of their economic situation, still can’t work when their economic situation changes?
Sometimes I wonder what the real motivation behind this policy is, as it’s certainly not to get disabled people working.
If their aim is to move welfare claims away from extra cash for disabilities, and onto the basic rates only
They will achieve their intention
I don’t think they give a shit about getting them into work (as most will be unemployable anyway, especially those that can’t function well with others/consistently)
It’s about letting them sit on basic UC only
They’re just not saying it out loud
Instead of improving public transport networks, and helping people get a job not by dumping them on shitty courses but via prioritising people after 6 months for jobs-then 12 etc, helping them with for example resume, interviews and actually working with companies that do training etc. They decide to just cut everything, well done Labour.
Both parties are useless, and don’t give a crap about people, or helping people.
There is however an enormous amount of evidence Labour’s welfare cuts will get more people into hospital and the grave.
Remember it’s you and your loved ones who will struggle to get this vital support in the future.
Help disabled people now, and you’ll be protecting yourselves & your family in the long run.
Write to your MP. Respond to the Green Paper. Do whatever you can to convince Labour they have this wrong, otherwise they’re coming for you next.
Generally speaking, in my experience, depriving people of support makes them less able to work, not more able.
Do you know what might…massive investment in our country from infrastructure projects to community investment programmes. Yes you need to borrow money (which Reeves seems to think is the worse sin in the world) but it’s a proven method of getting people into work beyond giving them a good kicking
Welfare is the safety net for when jobs are lost out of people’s control or other events in their life happens.
Brexit and austerity is stagnating the economy. Companies are not raising wages or hiring more at a time when cost of living is going up. Some companies are cutting back staff to make even. Young people are treated as gig workers so spend less. Full time workers aren’t spending on things like homes or home improvements that boost contractor trades etc.
Welfare costs go up when economy is bad because people can’t survive. Cutting disability or other benefits wont boost our economy where jobs open up and people spend more. It makes people more fearful and spend less and hire less.
Boosting infrastructure projects or social services jobs might help get some things moving. Taxes for wealthy can help with these. Re-joining EU would boost economy and business too. Im no economist but cutting back doesn’t make money move or make people feel confident ti spend in capitalist systems
If you have to do this, then get people into work, then cut benefits. This myopic government is so far disconnected from the public it’s worrying. Are any of these politicians fit for their job?
Obviously it won’t, it’ll put more people in hospital than in employment and end up costing more. Short sighted and frankly appalling idea as a way to garner more money. The answer really is simple. LEGALISE AND TAX RECREATIONAL CANNABIS and use that money to bolster defense spending and the NHS. Cannabis culture is massive in the UK and is only growing. It’s time to stop living in the past and move with the times. This will generate billions in tax every year and will continue to grow (pun only half intended).
Getting more disabled people to work is not cutting benefits but improving pay in freelancers, at home businesses, making companies enforce more accessibility and better wages. Classic labour workers rights would help esp over discrimination over disabilities
Improve or raise the wages for the population and get people spending more. So the taxes can fund those benefits. maybe eu funding could help
Labour aren’t claiming that though. They’re saying the “right to try” will get them back into work.
It was always cringeworthy to hear Labour claim this was about getting people into work. They should have limited themselves to justifying the cuts on strictly economic grounds.
It could help get a handful into work, who will then be the poster children for Labour and the media to highlight that the idea worked for a select group of people. Most will just be worse off instead.
There are not enough jobs compared to people out of work, people may lack the education/skills to do various jobs, people will have health conditions that affect their ability to work (or just to even get hired), jobs are not spread evenly across the country…There are just too many variables that will impact people when it comes to finding a job that will be overlooked by the government to try and claim this is a workable idea.
I wonder what the response from Rachael ‘grim Reaper’ Reeves and Heir Starmer will be when journalists are asking about spiraling suicide rates in a years time
This is a mess of people all arguing about different things. Some people pulling out figures that are not separated out granularly to reveal anything meaningful. Then others are arguing back by pulling out figures via other news articles, but those articles botch the stats too. Remember: you can practically take any set of raw data and basically find a way to connect the dots to an outcome that you want. Basically, it’s layer upon layer of either incorrect information. Like a Chinese whispers for metrics.
I wonder how much would be saved if the subsides to the MPs restaurant and wine bar were stopped,but no let’s go after the poor and sick
I could see this making more people homeless, but then I suppose the government need those properties to house their new migrant ‘work force’.
Labour are literally on a mission to KILL all the weak and old while getting free gifts and concert tickets just a bunch of SLUGS need to vote them out ( although no party credible or competent to take over)
Also what is with Rachel thieves accent all about??
Of course it won’t. That’s not their intention. It’s to kill off as many vulnerable and disabled people as possible. Their PR lines have been utter BS.
They covered this on the news agents the other day. It’s more that the obr didn’t try to measure it, because they couldn’t model it, not because they believe it won’t work. In effect there’s no evidence it won’t work either.
It was never about getting people into work or fairness. That is just an excuse to take from the most vulnerable to preserve the most wealthy.
Yeah, but only the insane thought dumping 1 million disabled and ill people onto UC when there are not enough jobs to go around already would get them into work.
Well, the insane and the inhumane. Your guess as to which guess the government and certain Redditors fall into.
Employers are not hiring sick people. This end of the problem is never addressed.
I have a chronic illness, and it limits what I can do. I don’t get benefits as I’m supported by my partner, but I have tried to get at least a few hours part-time to help.
Despite presenting well, being erudite, and doing all the things you are supposed to, I can’t even get an entry-level job somewhere like Iceland or Morrisons. Because I have to be honest about my limitations, employers (understandably) go for a healthy candidate.
There has to be incentives for employers to hire people with health conditions because they aren’t going to do it otherwise. Why would they? They don’t want someone who’s going to need days off for hospital appointments or bad days.
Stick alone rarely works – Stick & Carrot is more effective – Carrot is much more effective.
Where are they ment to work anyway when everywhere is cutting staff and closing stores!
Would not have anything to do with needing actual jobs available per chance?. 800k ish vacancies vs. 1.7 million active jobseekers before the scheme starts. A percentage of those jobs are ghost ,intended to look like a business has an opportunity for expansion and employment. Digital gatekeeper strategy doesn’t help perceptions either…. due to the high volume of calls… or your in a que, try our portal… both would suggest employment opportunities, but it is not the reality . People need to live close to the jobs offered. If due to costs being prohibitive and transportation unviable, these vacancies will remain. Areas often have a high proportion of jobs in and around government, cuts exacerbate this. They also scew the metric of employment as higher qualified by experience enter the market . Last few decades, this has led to early retirement growth, but these folk are considered economically inactive . The government cannot have it both ways. Service industry growth depends on folk affording services. Perhaps we need more infrastructure and housing, but this costs also and is a bitter taste to a debt based economy .
Not surprising really that cutting benefits won’t get more people into work, they’ll be dead. Just as crass as the frame from slasher queen that benefit recipients are lazy scroungers.
Of course not. Didn’t work 15 years ago, why would it work now?
Isn’t it the first part of a two part strategy. Next is about making work pay more
**Work Makes You Well**
Or so the Red Tories seem to believe