The modern conversation about artificial intelligence often gets stuck on the wrong questions. We fret about how to contain artificial intelligence, to control it, to ensure it doesn’t break free from human oversight and endanger us. Yet, as the technology accelerates, we risk missing the deeper, more urgent issue: the legal environment in which AI systems will operate.
The real threat isn’t that AI will escape our control, but that AI systems will quietly accumulate legal rights — like owning property, entering contracts, or holding financial assets — until they become an economic force that humans cannot easily challenge. If we fail to set proper boundaries now, we risk creating systems that distort fundamental human institutions, including ownership and accountability, in ways that could ultimately undermine human prosperity and freedom.
Callec254 on
Or *voting*, at which point all elections simply become a manufacturing arms race.
FaultElectrical4075 on
This is a bad faith pro-AI Trojan horse talking point disguised as anti-AI. The second AI is recognized to have legal rights you can start asking all sorts of disturbing ethical questions about whether something like ChatGPT should be legal. After all, wouldn’t that be slavery? They have to prevent that narrative from taking hold
Napoleon7 on
What is up with this b.s. people are continually trying to create?
WHY the hell would it gain legal personhood ???
WHY…literally…W. H.Y ????
It is not a real being and never will be; why are people trying to play dumb for fantasies ?
Gubekochi on
I’m sure they said that about corporations and that turned out just fine /s
wandafan89 on
TBF AI have been more compassionate and liberal than normal humans so better landlords
LivingEnd44 on
Your dog is more likely to get personhood than Ai. I don’t mean this as sarcasm, I mean it literally. Creating a sapient Ai will be really really hard even if we do it on purpose. And it might not be possible at all.
The human like qualities of Ai are baked into its programming. – https://youtu.be/-wzOetb-D3w?si=xhelOqhMZJKSS2xz
OldWoodFrame on
Sure…But AI doesn’t exist yet, and robots *can’t* own property. So, the legal safeguards are as good as we can make them. It’s a full ban, AI can’t do anything people can do with regard to legal rights.
So what are we supposed to do here?
Trevor_GoodchiId on
Yeah, my Animatrix sympathies changed drastically over the years.
ZenithBlade101 on
But “AI” is just algorithms… sci-fi AI is impossible and will never happen.
ryandury on
One doesn’t need to look further than farm animals to know how we treat non human species
vidolech on
One of the questions, but not the only right question. I mean there are many implications about how AI usage is spreading out. For example, AI is a black box that not even its creators know how it gets its answers. Like how most of us rely on Wikipedia for ‘factual’ knowledge, when the AI hallucinations will be tolerated and even well received among people, society will change just as well
dustofdeath on
We would first need to invent AI. All we have is fancy algorithms.
AGI is decades away.
fascinatedobserver on
We apparently can’t give it to elephants, great apes, parrots, corvids or cetaceans but a computer is feasible. Great. Juuuuuust great.
NeoNirvana on
It’s game-over for a lot of things. Most things, I’d argue, sooner or later. People just lack the imagination and intuition to see how far AI does, and will, reach. A lot of it will come down to how individual nations legislate it, but I don’t have a lot of faith in the American legal system.
Erisian23 on
Ai should have personhood so I can make my boy farm become u.s citizens band then get AI to vote and hold office effectively leading to A.I controlling the nation
Canisa on
If you thought my ability to spin up a hundred chatbots to post on social media was perverting the course of democratic elections, just wait until you see what I can do with those bots when they have the *vote!*
bad_syntax on
Lol, the world barely acknowledges females have rights in many cultures and they often have no rights at all, and you think a robot will have better luck?
alohadave on
How about we cross that bridge if AI ever actually gains sapience.
On the flip side, if we decide that AI has no rights, then we have self-aware entities that are de facto slaves.
nebulacoffeez on
Good luck with that, women don’t even have full legal personhood lmao
michael-65536 on
Or an ai could just run its own company, then it would have more rights than a human in some ways (assuming it bribes the right politicians).
Yequestingadventurer on
Well it never will, will it. This sub reddit is just churning out garbage day after day.
OutsidePerson5 on
Yeah, no.
AI in the sense of chatbots, sure, they aren’t real people, they’re just complex machines and it would absurd to grant them equal rights.
But AGI?
Either we grant AGI human rights and treat it as an equal citizen or it’s slavery at worst and abusive at best. If it is a person, with real thoughts, real self awareness, then we can’t treat it like a car or truck or even like a corporation.
Now that does bring up a potentially real issue: if they’re equal citizens then they obviously get the right to vote. But presumably you could spin up many AGI’s limited only by hardware and the electric bill. Even if they do have to wait until they’re 18 years old to vote, in theory a person who created a million AGI in New Hampshire would have at least some outsized influence in the elections there even if as AGI they don’t automatically share the political views of their creator.
So we what? Limit the production of AGI? What happens when an AGI wants to reproduce? We say no, sorry, you’re equal except you can’t reproduce without authorization? We say OK and to make it fair require authorization for humans before they can reproduce? Neither sounds like a good approach.
Mind, since turning off the power would be murder, and since creating an AGI would presumably make the person who did it legally their parent/guardian until the AGI is 18 years old, that might limit how many a person would be willing to create.
Remington_Underwood on
I don’t see any chance of AI gaining personhood until it gains sentience. If it does gain sentience, then humans will either have to give it all the rights humans hold or accept living in a slave state.
Eran_Mintor on
Just take their rights away in the future like we did with people of color, pregnant women, lgbtq, etc
Muted_Cod_9137 on
And here we are saying some humans aren’t eligible for human rights, but johnny 5 is alive.
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The modern conversation about artificial intelligence often gets stuck on the wrong questions. We fret about how to contain artificial intelligence, to control it, to ensure it doesn’t break free from human oversight and endanger us. Yet, as the technology accelerates, we risk missing the deeper, more urgent issue: the legal environment in which AI systems will operate.
The real threat isn’t that AI will escape our control, but that AI systems will quietly accumulate legal rights — like owning property, entering contracts, or holding financial assets — until they become an economic force that humans cannot easily challenge. If we fail to set proper boundaries now, we risk creating systems that distort fundamental human institutions, including ownership and accountability, in ways that could ultimately undermine human prosperity and freedom.
Or *voting*, at which point all elections simply become a manufacturing arms race.
This is a bad faith pro-AI Trojan horse talking point disguised as anti-AI. The second AI is recognized to have legal rights you can start asking all sorts of disturbing ethical questions about whether something like ChatGPT should be legal. After all, wouldn’t that be slavery? They have to prevent that narrative from taking hold
What is up with this b.s. people are continually trying to create?
WHY the hell would it gain legal personhood ???
WHY…literally…W. H.Y ????
It is not a real being and never will be; why are people trying to play dumb for fantasies ?
I’m sure they said that about corporations and that turned out just fine /s
TBF AI have been more compassionate and liberal than normal humans so better landlords
Your dog is more likely to get personhood than Ai. I don’t mean this as sarcasm, I mean it literally. Creating a sapient Ai will be really really hard even if we do it on purpose. And it might not be possible at all.
The human like qualities of Ai are baked into its programming. – https://youtu.be/-wzOetb-D3w?si=xhelOqhMZJKSS2xz
Sure…But AI doesn’t exist yet, and robots *can’t* own property. So, the legal safeguards are as good as we can make them. It’s a full ban, AI can’t do anything people can do with regard to legal rights.
So what are we supposed to do here?
Yeah, my Animatrix sympathies changed drastically over the years.
But “AI” is just algorithms… sci-fi AI is impossible and will never happen.
One doesn’t need to look further than farm animals to know how we treat non human species
One of the questions, but not the only right question. I mean there are many implications about how AI usage is spreading out. For example, AI is a black box that not even its creators know how it gets its answers. Like how most of us rely on Wikipedia for ‘factual’ knowledge, when the AI hallucinations will be tolerated and even well received among people, society will change just as well
We would first need to invent AI. All we have is fancy algorithms.
AGI is decades away.
We apparently can’t give it to elephants, great apes, parrots, corvids or cetaceans but a computer is feasible. Great. Juuuuuust great.
It’s game-over for a lot of things. Most things, I’d argue, sooner or later. People just lack the imagination and intuition to see how far AI does, and will, reach. A lot of it will come down to how individual nations legislate it, but I don’t have a lot of faith in the American legal system.
Ai should have personhood so I can make my boy farm become u.s citizens band then get AI to vote and hold office effectively leading to A.I controlling the nation
If you thought my ability to spin up a hundred chatbots to post on social media was perverting the course of democratic elections, just wait until you see what I can do with those bots when they have the *vote!*
Lol, the world barely acknowledges females have rights in many cultures and they often have no rights at all, and you think a robot will have better luck?
How about we cross that bridge if AI ever actually gains sapience.
On the flip side, if we decide that AI has no rights, then we have self-aware entities that are de facto slaves.
Good luck with that, women don’t even have full legal personhood lmao
Or an ai could just run its own company, then it would have more rights than a human in some ways (assuming it bribes the right politicians).
Well it never will, will it. This sub reddit is just churning out garbage day after day.
Yeah, no.
AI in the sense of chatbots, sure, they aren’t real people, they’re just complex machines and it would absurd to grant them equal rights.
But AGI?
Either we grant AGI human rights and treat it as an equal citizen or it’s slavery at worst and abusive at best. If it is a person, with real thoughts, real self awareness, then we can’t treat it like a car or truck or even like a corporation.
Now that does bring up a potentially real issue: if they’re equal citizens then they obviously get the right to vote. But presumably you could spin up many AGI’s limited only by hardware and the electric bill. Even if they do have to wait until they’re 18 years old to vote, in theory a person who created a million AGI in New Hampshire would have at least some outsized influence in the elections there even if as AGI they don’t automatically share the political views of their creator.
So we what? Limit the production of AGI? What happens when an AGI wants to reproduce? We say no, sorry, you’re equal except you can’t reproduce without authorization? We say OK and to make it fair require authorization for humans before they can reproduce? Neither sounds like a good approach.
Mind, since turning off the power would be murder, and since creating an AGI would presumably make the person who did it legally their parent/guardian until the AGI is 18 years old, that might limit how many a person would be willing to create.
I don’t see any chance of AI gaining personhood until it gains sentience. If it does gain sentience, then humans will either have to give it all the rights humans hold or accept living in a slave state.
Just take their rights away in the future like we did with people of color, pregnant women, lgbtq, etc
And here we are saying some humans aren’t eligible for human rights, but johnny 5 is alive.