Their handling was one tier. One tier of utter shite.
Anyone with a brain would’ve seen that riot coming. The fact that the police managed to let that happen is a problem almost entirely of their own making.
They deployed very junior officers to the scene. The scene of a major incident. They failed to adequately assess the community anger. They’ve also been persona non grata in Merseyside for tons of reasons, mainly due to misconduct and corruption.
They aren’t selective in who they target they. They go after everyone, go on power trips to anyone. They’re probably the most equal force in the nation, doesn’t matter your race, sex, whatever they’ll mess you about no problem.
Haemophilia_Type_A on
Because it’s a far-right conspiracy theory that the populist right latches onto because they have no real ideas, and it’s subsequently lapped up by right-wingers on social media.
The only real ‘two-tier policing’ is that some ethnic minority groups receive disproportionately harsh policing and sentencing for the same crimes, and that men receive harsher sentencing than women for the same crimes. But trying to ameliorate the former is apparently ‘anti-white racism’ lol.
VamosFicar on
“MP’s say”. Yep they have a habit of doing that and telling utter lies.
thamusicmike on
How can you tell, in any given encounter, whether a person is right-wing or left-wing?
If they’re pro-immigration, they must be left-wing, and if anti, right-wing, is that it? That’s a bit simplistic.
I think the majority of people who had an angry reaction to the stabbings were not right-wing or left-wing, but were tapping into something much deeper and older, which is old-fashioned British xenophobia, natural enough for an island people and which the authorities recognize can only be controlled with prison sentences.
But just look at the high-handed attitude of the state. They were the ones who didn’t vet immigrants properly, which was bound to cause antagonisms. That policy was the ultimate cause of all these conflicts, which the state cannot ultimately address and only knows how to respond to in an authoritarian way, by handing out prison sentences. Even the more intelligent policemen and politicians must know that this situation is unsustainable.
Imaginary_Abroad_330 on
*”The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”*
George Orwell, 1984.
Ambersfruityhobbies on
Oh ok. So the people who sent the Batley teacher into hiding for the rest of his life by inciting violence, doxxing, intimidation and hateful protests all got banged up with inflated sentences did they?
Ones who were identified including someone who receives government funding towards the running of a charity?
No, not one faced further action.
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What I find striking about these conversations broadly is how absolutely effective the programme to radicalise the British people has been. It is quite sad and scary that so many people are such moral and intellectual lightweights that they would spend more than 30 seconds believing things like the “two tier” conspiracy theory
Hungry_Flamingo4636 on
The establishment decided the establishment did nothing wrong…
Yet, Starmer made it clear he expected, “substantive sentencing” for people arrested during the Southport riots before their trials but he used not wanting to prejudice the trial of the killer as an excuse to not tell the public about the ricin or the jihadi manual and subsequent terror charges until October even though the trial was in January the following year
In formation doesn’t get much more in the public interest than, ‘your neighbour has been making ricin from a jihadi recipe, keep your pets and your kids inside if you can.’ https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2kjdjylnqyo
The home office declared people arrested during the Southport riots criminals before their trials and convictions.
From a different firey protest.
Burnt oversized poppies and chanted about British soldiers going to hell during 2 minutes scilence one of your group gets a £50 fine https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-12664346
(This one was a benificary so those soldiers died for the country that literally feeds him. Died to build and protect the nation with the social security net that keeps that lump of human cancer from starving. The taxes of people like the apprentice in the Southport example paid for his bloody matches.)
Chopstick84 on
Did I imagine that footage of the police asking a lovely group of devout men to put their weapons back in their place of worship?
No_Fact_3392 on
While its only slightly related to the article isn’t there a push for judges to consider someone’s ethnic background as a mitigating factor in sentencing?
Aggressive_Plates on
of course-
people were detained WITHOUT BAIL as a political persecution for saying uncomfortable truths.
In one case when it finally went to court the jury found him not guilty after 2 minutes of deliberation.
grrrranm on
lol ok. Gaslighting at its finest even the police now admit that it’s happening…
Viscerid on
Seeing sentencing like this as well on top of the riots, teacher fleeing for his life etc supports two tier claims for me
Can you imagine if someone went into a mosque with a knife to stab pro palestine people, and was disarmed by the public, to then receive no jail time because they were drunk as their excuse ?
Scratch_Careful on
The policeman telling Muslims to leave their knives in the mosque rather than simply arresting then is not evidence of two tier?
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Their handling was one tier. One tier of utter shite.
Anyone with a brain would’ve seen that riot coming. The fact that the police managed to let that happen is a problem almost entirely of their own making.
They deployed very junior officers to the scene. The scene of a major incident. They failed to adequately assess the community anger. They’ve also been persona non grata in Merseyside for tons of reasons, mainly due to misconduct and corruption.
They aren’t selective in who they target they. They go after everyone, go on power trips to anyone. They’re probably the most equal force in the nation, doesn’t matter your race, sex, whatever they’ll mess you about no problem.
Because it’s a far-right conspiracy theory that the populist right latches onto because they have no real ideas, and it’s subsequently lapped up by right-wingers on social media.
The only real ‘two-tier policing’ is that some ethnic minority groups receive disproportionately harsh policing and sentencing for the same crimes, and that men receive harsher sentencing than women for the same crimes. But trying to ameliorate the former is apparently ‘anti-white racism’ lol.
“MP’s say”. Yep they have a habit of doing that and telling utter lies.
How can you tell, in any given encounter, whether a person is right-wing or left-wing?
If they’re pro-immigration, they must be left-wing, and if anti, right-wing, is that it? That’s a bit simplistic.
I think the majority of people who had an angry reaction to the stabbings were not right-wing or left-wing, but were tapping into something much deeper and older, which is old-fashioned British xenophobia, natural enough for an island people and which the authorities recognize can only be controlled with prison sentences.
But just look at the high-handed attitude of the state. They were the ones who didn’t vet immigrants properly, which was bound to cause antagonisms. That policy was the ultimate cause of all these conflicts, which the state cannot ultimately address and only knows how to respond to in an authoritarian way, by handing out prison sentences. Even the more intelligent policemen and politicians must know that this situation is unsustainable.
*”The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”*
George Orwell, 1984.
Oh ok. So the people who sent the Batley teacher into hiding for the rest of his life by inciting violence, doxxing, intimidation and hateful protests all got banged up with inflated sentences did they?
Ones who were identified including someone who receives government funding towards the running of a charity?
No, not one faced further action.
What I find striking about these conversations broadly is how absolutely effective the programme to radicalise the British people has been. It is quite sad and scary that so many people are such moral and intellectual lightweights that they would spend more than 30 seconds believing things like the “two tier” conspiracy theory
The establishment decided the establishment did nothing wrong…
Yet, Starmer made it clear he expected, “substantive sentencing” for people arrested during the Southport riots before their trials but he used not wanting to prejudice the trial of the killer as an excuse to not tell the public about the ricin or the jihadi manual and subsequent terror charges until October even though the trial was in January the following year
In formation doesn’t get much more in the public interest than, ‘your neighbour has been making ricin from a jihadi recipe, keep your pets and your kids inside if you can.’
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2kjdjylnqyo
The home office declared people arrested during the Southport riots criminals before their trials and convictions.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/22/cooper-home-secretary-tweet-riot-criminal-prejudice-apology/
https://freespeechunion.org/fsu-writes-to-home-secretary-yvette-cooper-over-prejudicial-criminals-tweet-2/
An example of the sentences expected compared to other similar criminals.
From the Southport riots
Yelling with fire lighters in his pockets 26 months https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy3l91ew5go
From the BLM riots
Climbed on to the Cenotaph and try to burn a union flag that is someone else’s property a £345 fine and a conditional discharge.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/03/protester-19-who-tried-to-set-union-flag-alight-on-cenotaph-avoids-jail-13696832/
(This one was a photography student so those soldiers died for the country that at least partially funds his studies.)
From a different firey protest.
Burnt oversized poppies and chanted about British soldiers going to hell during 2 minutes scilence one of your group gets a £50 fine
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-12664346
(This one was a benificary so those soldiers died for the country that literally feeds him. Died to build and protect the nation with the social security net that keeps that lump of human cancer from starving. The taxes of people like the apprentice in the Southport example paid for his bloody matches.)
Did I imagine that footage of the police asking a lovely group of devout men to put their weapons back in their place of worship?
While its only slightly related to the article isn’t there a push for judges to consider someone’s ethnic background as a mitigating factor in sentencing?
of course-
people were detained WITHOUT BAIL as a political persecution for saying uncomfortable truths.
In one case when it finally went to court the jury found him not guilty after 2 minutes of deliberation.
lol ok. Gaslighting at its finest even the police now admit that it’s happening…
Seeing sentencing like this as well on top of the riots, teacher fleeing for his life etc supports two tier claims for me
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/golders-green-kosher-supermarket-knifeman-spared-jail-f6u1j13t
Can you imagine if someone went into a mosque with a knife to stab pro palestine people, and was disarmed by the public, to then receive no jail time because they were drunk as their excuse ?
The policeman telling Muslims to leave their knives in the mosque rather than simply arresting then is not evidence of two tier?