>”Well, if other councils decide to make low paid workers pay for bad decisions that they did not make, workers paying the price yet again, then absolutely, of course, we all have to take action in those other areas.”
So, its not as if bin workers will just walk out elsewhere in solidarity. Only where they have been screwed over by management.
And for those angry about this, this is what a union does. Protects workers from being shafted.
Viggohehe123 on
Honestly, though if it happens where I am I might be more annoyed, fair enough.
Successful_Swim_9860 on
“If parliament goes on strike nothing will happen, if the bin men go on strike you’ll soon notice” – My Dad
MattMBerkshire on
Unions do give strike pay.
Unite is £70 a day.
Wonder how long the union can fund it.
The heat from Unite will only be ramping up as the reserves drop.
South_Dependent_1128 on
Why is the council saying the workers won’t lose any money? It seems that deal may cause workers to take a hit to their wages but their overall costs decrease as well.
Scragglymonk on
If I had an £8k salary cut due to the boss messing up, would be looking for another job.
Guess having no paper qualifications trap them in the role somewhat.
If the action spreads, well I have a metal plant pot that could be used to burn the rubbish….
DEI_Chins on
When you get headlines that there’s rubbish everywhere because of a bin strike what you are telling every binman is:
“You are an essential part of our society operating and without you we cannot function and our streets become a chaotic, unsafe tip…no we will not give you any concessions to health and payment”
Interesting strategy to show your hand and then act all coy at negotiations.
TavernTurn on
If I signed a solid employment contract years ago and that same employer tried to make me take a different job with less benefits to rectify THEIR fuck up – I would strike too!
It’s easy to criticise from the sidelines. If the money and benefits were the same, workers would have signed a new contract without hesitation. At this point it would be simpler for the council to offer equivalent pay and benefits for this small number of people that are standing their ground.
BuzLightbeerOfBarCmd on
Let’s move to an individual subscriber model so I can live out my cyberpunk fantasies already.
Commercial-carrot-7 on
It is only likely to spread if the government and councils capitulate to the union’s demands. And that is the reason why they shouldn’t. This issue isn’t even about pay, but the fact that the council wants to rid itself of a senior management type bin man role which is paid £8000 more than many other normal bin man roles and also no other council in UK has this role – so it’s clearly not necessary for the job. Not like Birmingham was a model for cleanliness even before the strikes..
MGLX21 on
If true, Labour will be out in less than a year lmao
NowImZoe on
The amount of people with opinions on this peddling the “stop trying to force a pay cut on workers” line clearly don’t have a clue about what’s actually going on.
For possibly the first time ever the council is doing something the right way, but all we hear is how those poor binmen are being shafted?
Come to think of it, it’s exactly the same shit we hear about inheritance tax, immigration and trans people. Joe public weighing in without understanding *any* of the nuance.
ashagnes on
Man, I swear I miss when I was a kid and I thought adults were actually smart.
The UK has among the highest waste management costs in Europe, per person.
If they actually want to save money with the bin collections they should change the model to be communal street bins like they do in Spain or other European countries, instead of individual household bins.
perpetualmentalist on
Egg the cunts. Why have they not released the actual numbers of these deals… How much are they on etc…the information is vague..
DueImportance6979 on
Most people on reddit are appalled by private sectors companies aiming to solely maximise profits for their shareholders.
Yet they seem to support unions seeking to solely maximise the pay for their members.
Chillmm8 on
Honestly I think if this keeps going, the council will call the unions bluff and fire them. Convincing members to strike in solidarity is a really hard sell for this case and it only becomes less likely the more this drags on.
Shawn_The_Sheep777 on
I lost £5000 due to an equal pay review. Unison didn’t give a shit because all the manual workers got a shed load more cash and I was white collar. It took me a few years to get back to where I was. The market place at the end of the day decides how much people should be paid. If binmen get paid more in the neighbouring council people will leave and BCC will have to pay more or they won’t be able to run a service. That’s what happened to me in the end. Our pay grades weren’t compatible to other councils and so we couldn’t fill vacancies. So our grades went back up eventually .
AldrichOfAlbion on
Nope. Not in Conservative roads. Thanks to the low taxes offered by Conservative councils, we often have more than enough to pitch in for private, cheap and efficient services so our roads are super clean.
Thanks private enterprise, once again filling in when the public sector turns your road into a landfill!
broketoliving on
good it’s the start of the kick back against the government and cost of living crisis
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>”Well, if other councils decide to make low paid workers pay for bad decisions that they did not make, workers paying the price yet again, then absolutely, of course, we all have to take action in those other areas.”
So, its not as if bin workers will just walk out elsewhere in solidarity. Only where they have been screwed over by management.
And for those angry about this, this is what a union does. Protects workers from being shafted.
Honestly, though if it happens where I am I might be more annoyed, fair enough.
“If parliament goes on strike nothing will happen, if the bin men go on strike you’ll soon notice” – My Dad
Unions do give strike pay.
Unite is £70 a day.
Wonder how long the union can fund it.
The heat from Unite will only be ramping up as the reserves drop.
Why is the council saying the workers won’t lose any money? It seems that deal may cause workers to take a hit to their wages but their overall costs decrease as well.
If I had an £8k salary cut due to the boss messing up, would be looking for another job.
Guess having no paper qualifications trap them in the role somewhat.
If the action spreads, well I have a metal plant pot that could be used to burn the rubbish….
When you get headlines that there’s rubbish everywhere because of a bin strike what you are telling every binman is:
“You are an essential part of our society operating and without you we cannot function and our streets become a chaotic, unsafe tip…no we will not give you any concessions to health and payment”
Interesting strategy to show your hand and then act all coy at negotiations.
If I signed a solid employment contract years ago and that same employer tried to make me take a different job with less benefits to rectify THEIR fuck up – I would strike too!
It’s easy to criticise from the sidelines. If the money and benefits were the same, workers would have signed a new contract without hesitation. At this point it would be simpler for the council to offer equivalent pay and benefits for this small number of people that are standing their ground.
Let’s move to an individual subscriber model so I can live out my cyberpunk fantasies already.
It is only likely to spread if the government and councils capitulate to the union’s demands. And that is the reason why they shouldn’t. This issue isn’t even about pay, but the fact that the council wants to rid itself of a senior management type bin man role which is paid £8000 more than many other normal bin man roles and also no other council in UK has this role – so it’s clearly not necessary for the job. Not like Birmingham was a model for cleanliness even before the strikes..
If true, Labour will be out in less than a year lmao
The amount of people with opinions on this peddling the “stop trying to force a pay cut on workers” line clearly don’t have a clue about what’s actually going on.
For possibly the first time ever the council is doing something the right way, but all we hear is how those poor binmen are being shafted?
Come to think of it, it’s exactly the same shit we hear about inheritance tax, immigration and trans people. Joe public weighing in without understanding *any* of the nuance.
Man, I swear I miss when I was a kid and I thought adults were actually smart.
The UK has among the highest waste management costs in Europe, per person.
If they actually want to save money with the bin collections they should change the model to be communal street bins like they do in Spain or other European countries, instead of individual household bins.
Egg the cunts. Why have they not released the actual numbers of these deals… How much are they on etc…the information is vague..
Most people on reddit are appalled by private sectors companies aiming to solely maximise profits for their shareholders.
Yet they seem to support unions seeking to solely maximise the pay for their members.
Honestly I think if this keeps going, the council will call the unions bluff and fire them. Convincing members to strike in solidarity is a really hard sell for this case and it only becomes less likely the more this drags on.
I lost £5000 due to an equal pay review. Unison didn’t give a shit because all the manual workers got a shed load more cash and I was white collar. It took me a few years to get back to where I was. The market place at the end of the day decides how much people should be paid. If binmen get paid more in the neighbouring council people will leave and BCC will have to pay more or they won’t be able to run a service. That’s what happened to me in the end. Our pay grades weren’t compatible to other councils and so we couldn’t fill vacancies. So our grades went back up eventually .
Nope. Not in Conservative roads. Thanks to the low taxes offered by Conservative councils, we often have more than enough to pitch in for private, cheap and efficient services so our roads are super clean.
Thanks private enterprise, once again filling in when the public sector turns your road into a landfill!
good it’s the start of the kick back against the government and cost of living crisis