Keir Starmer Calls For St George’s Flag To Be ‘Reclaimed’ From Southport Rioters

This seems sensible, I’m not English so it’s not my flag. But if an extreme group of people claimed the saltire, I’d want to reclaim it too.

Letting extremists be the only ones who use national symbols is a bad idea.

There isnt much they could do to reclaim it in a meaningful way unless people start using it for things opposed to what the rioters believed.

Honestly, I don’t care that much and it’s predictable that this government is more concerned with symbols that don’t cost anything than they are with materially bettering the lives of ordinary people in this country. “Labour” Party my arse.

It’s sad that in part people in the labour party have been to blame for ordinary people being demonised for flying the flag e.g Emily thornberry, so it’s a good change in direction for the PM to try this.

Obviously other far less savory organisations flying the flag doesn’t help, just pointing out that labour in the past haven’t helped.

I’ll take my soapbox please.

I actually think in general that nationalism needs to be reclaimed from these far right groups. Recently they seem to be the only ones allowed to represent their country, what they do is for the country and what everyone else does is against it. Plus alot of people on the left now even hear any sense of national pride and link it to the far right and want nothing to do with it and it’s absurd. (Generalising to an extent).

I’m not English, I’m Irish from the North, and I’m from the nationalist side of the community and even I think it’s a shame what’s happened to British culture. First off these EDL types and rioters only ever talk about what’s negative with no intention to ever fix things. Immigrants, immigrants, immigrants, maybe some trans, immigrants. That’s all. Even the brexiteers who designed to reclaim British sovereignty have overseen a rise in immigration over the decade since Brexit.

There is a huge element rightist nationalism to only ever talk about bad points but also to ensure those talking points are never resolved because when they’re resolved how can they campaign? They’re enemies of the country and they’re anti Britain.

Again as an Irish man I love English and British history even if we didn’t exactly come through it all rosey haha not a monarchist but I know a good stretch of the monarchy right back until saxon times. English history in and of itself is amazing never mind bringing in NI, Wales and Scotland. Tolkein, Kipling, CS Lewis, the war effort, the land of fucking fantasy!!!! As you can tell I’m a nerd.

But why does nationalism have to be “everything is fucking shite, the past was good, we won’t talk about the past but scream about foreigners” when it should be the fuckign standard that society works towards. Not being a jobless cunt throwing petrol bombs at travelodges. But a society that recognises its amazing past and those ancestors that came before us and using that to build the nation for absolutely everyone and have a society that functions and looks to resolve issues not perpetuate them for political and social media gain.

National pride needs to be taken off these unfit, incompetent representatives and given back to everyone.

Reading the article, what misinformation was spread about the killer? Thought it turned out the news was lying at the start to protect his identity?

I don’t seem to recall the flag being used in any large manner by said Southport rioters, but sure.

I may have missed those images.

Funny how the left didn’t think Hamas hijacked the Palestine flag though ain’t it, they’ll happily drape themselves in the flag and put it on their social media profiles but I guess all they’ve done is be a terrorist group, it’s much worse to protest the murder of three little girls in your own country with your own flag.

Problem being traditionally we don’t flag everything up like Americans / other countries do. Its seen as tacky, growing up in the 90’s it was for tourist tat & international football events.

The white rose is the best and only flag we should be flying 

It’s a horrible state of current world affairs that hateful people have latched onto the flag of their nations so tightly.

I can’t speak for everyone, but when I see a social profile with a flag profile pic or flags in the bio, I automatically think “They must be a hateful person” which sucks. Because national pride should be something we all share, our country fucking bangs for the most part.

Being patriotic is like being cool.

You can’t just declare it. You can’t internally increase or decrease it. It’s subconscious, if you value it, it should be happening within yourself without thinking about it.

The second you’re like “I’m proud”, it just doesn’t hit.

To improve patriotism, you just need to do interesting things that people will like. Just screaming “England good” doesnt do jackshit.

Unfortunately it is the symbol of hooligans, not because of woke politicians but because it has been adopted by every wanker in England.

STARMER saying he wants the flag taken by back the rioters aka far right surely proves the point?

He thinks the flag is “high jacked” by the far right, so anyone flying the flag NOW is far right?