The sentence should have been longer. The uk needs to be tougher on knife crimes.
CyberPunkDongTooLong on
What a ridiculously bad headline.
“Who stabbed teachers” AND pupil.
Seven years in prison for 3 cases of attempted murder, and then bragging about it afterwards. What a joke.
ShutItYouSlice on
Great out in time for their 21st i dont give a fluff party đ this country đł
SuperrVillain85 on
There’s more detailed reporting of the sentencing remarks elsewhere:
>What you did in school almost a year ago to the day, has caused a large number of people a great deal of harm and upset,â said Judge Thomas.
>âItâs enormously affected many lives including your own.
>âThe simple fact is, you tried to kill three people. You came to school that day planning to do that, as far as Mrs Elias was concerned. You hated her.
>âWhat you did, you did in full view of so many other pupils, at a time when there were a lot of people about. And that wasnât a coincidence.
>âYou wanted as many of your fellow pupils as possible to see what you intended to do. You picked the time and the place to attack her.
>âIâve watched you carefully as youâve sat in court, and Iâve formed opinions. I believe that what you did was, above all, for attention which perhaps you havenât had from others in the past. And I think you actually enjoyed the reaction and the publicity.â
>Judge Thomas said that after being placed in a police van outside the school gates following her arrest, the defendant said that this was âone way to become famousâ.
>âThis was what you really thought and continue to think,â continued Judge Thomas.
>âI donât think youâre genuinely sorry for what you did and I donât think you really care much about what others have suffered by what you did to them.
>âI know your life hasnât been a straightforward one by any means, and that you have a very complex personality. But many children are in similar positions and they donât behave how you did that day. They donât try to kill two teachers and a classmate.â
>Judge Thomas said the defendant remains a potential risk to others at the secure unit where she has been detained since the offence, having made a serious threat to another.
TheCrunker on
Parents should face some level of criminal prosecution in cases like these. They raised her
TimeToNukeTheWhales on
If only the school had a Netflix subscription, maybe this tragedy could’ve been averted.
NegotiationWeird1751 on
Quite surprised she will be doing jail time tbh, although a minimum of 3 years seems a bit lenient.
TheRiled on
This thread once again makes me feel bleak for the future. Not because of this awful event, but because of the general reaction to it.
Everyone’s first reaction seems to be “lock her up for longer” or turning the story into another culture war topic. But my first thought is “What the fuck happened to this child, resulting in her trying to murder multiple people at 14”.
Is she psychotic? Was it known that she was a sociopath? Then why wasn’t it picked up earlier, and why isn’t she on meds or on a psychiactric ward. If not, what has turned her into someone so twisted so early in her life.
And scientific literature is pretty damn clear. Longer sentences make very little difference – I suspect even less so for young teens. But who cares about science or the importance of reform, just lock up this bad apple and throw away the key, right? Why would we bother understanding the root cause and trying to stop it there, because surely something like this will never happen again.
Surely.
(And for the record, I’m not trying to deflect the seriousness of what she’s done. It’s no doubt been a haunting experience for the teachers and many people involved, and I wish them all the best.)
citrusman7 on
should have trained to be a nurse, would have got away with it
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silver_medalist on
That’s a decent sentence. This sub is a bit mad when it comes to sentencing, no matter what length it’s never enough.
Klossomfawn on
Jesus, three stab victims and potentially released at 21.
a_boy_called_sue on
unpopular maybe but REHABILITATION is the must here. A kid doesn’t do this without having endured internal and external stressors. Don’t lose your humanity if you can help it.
Much-Fall-9515 on
Iâm sure there is someone here that will try and shift the blame away from her.
Jay_6125 on
Is that it??
It should be life and never see the outside again.
Pathetic sentence.
PiersPlays on
Ms Hopkin sounds like a great teacher:
>”Although this has been the worst experience of my life, I’m glad it was me that was there that day,” she said.
>”I’m glad I stopped you from killing [Fiona Elias]. I truly believe I saved you both that day. You are not a murderer.
>”I would not let you carry out your plan. I’m still here, I’m still alive, though at the time I was sure I was going to die.”
>Ms Hopkins said the girl had “been with her” every day since the attack.
>Addressing the teenager, she said: “Despite what you did, I worry about your future.”
>”I don’t want what happened that day to be what defines you.”
Classic_Peasant on
Wonder what the sentence would be if it were a boy who did itÂ
Augustus_Chevismo on
Netflix documentary on the threat of young girls shows in British schools when?
HarleyGC on
You too can help end the UK knife epidemic by just donating ÂŁ8.99 per month you can supply one child with a Netflix subscription.
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The sentence should have been longer. The uk needs to be tougher on knife crimes.
What a ridiculously bad headline.
“Who stabbed teachers” AND pupil.
Seven years in prison for 3 cases of attempted murder, and then bragging about it afterwards. What a joke.
Great out in time for their 21st i dont give a fluff party đ this country đł
There’s more detailed reporting of the sentencing remarks elsewhere:
>What you did in school almost a year ago to the day, has caused a large number of people a great deal of harm and upset,â said Judge Thomas.
>âItâs enormously affected many lives including your own.
>âThe simple fact is, you tried to kill three people. You came to school that day planning to do that, as far as Mrs Elias was concerned. You hated her.
>âWhat you did, you did in full view of so many other pupils, at a time when there were a lot of people about. And that wasnât a coincidence.
>âYou wanted as many of your fellow pupils as possible to see what you intended to do. You picked the time and the place to attack her.
>âIâve watched you carefully as youâve sat in court, and Iâve formed opinions. I believe that what you did was, above all, for attention which perhaps you havenât had from others in the past. And I think you actually enjoyed the reaction and the publicity.â
>Judge Thomas said that after being placed in a police van outside the school gates following her arrest, the defendant said that this was âone way to become famousâ.
>âThis was what you really thought and continue to think,â continued Judge Thomas.
>âI donât think youâre genuinely sorry for what you did and I donât think you really care much about what others have suffered by what you did to them.
>âI know your life hasnât been a straightforward one by any means, and that you have a very complex personality. But many children are in similar positions and they donât behave how you did that day. They donât try to kill two teachers and a classmate.â
>Judge Thomas said the defendant remains a potential risk to others at the secure unit where she has been detained since the offence, having made a serious threat to another.
Parents should face some level of criminal prosecution in cases like these. They raised her
If only the school had a Netflix subscription, maybe this tragedy could’ve been averted.
Quite surprised she will be doing jail time tbh, although a minimum of 3 years seems a bit lenient.
This thread once again makes me feel bleak for the future. Not because of this awful event, but because of the general reaction to it.
Everyone’s first reaction seems to be “lock her up for longer” or turning the story into another culture war topic. But my first thought is “What the fuck happened to this child, resulting in her trying to murder multiple people at 14”.
Is she psychotic? Was it known that she was a sociopath? Then why wasn’t it picked up earlier, and why isn’t she on meds or on a psychiactric ward. If not, what has turned her into someone so twisted so early in her life.
And scientific literature is pretty damn clear. Longer sentences make very little difference – I suspect even less so for young teens. But who cares about science or the importance of reform, just lock up this bad apple and throw away the key, right? Why would we bother understanding the root cause and trying to stop it there, because surely something like this will never happen again.
Surely.
(And for the record, I’m not trying to deflect the seriousness of what she’s done. It’s no doubt been a haunting experience for the teachers and many people involved, and I wish them all the best.)
should have trained to be a nurse, would have got away with it
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That’s a decent sentence. This sub is a bit mad when it comes to sentencing, no matter what length it’s never enough.
Jesus, three stab victims and potentially released at 21.
unpopular maybe but REHABILITATION is the must here. A kid doesn’t do this without having endured internal and external stressors. Don’t lose your humanity if you can help it.
Iâm sure there is someone here that will try and shift the blame away from her.
Is that it??
It should be life and never see the outside again.
Pathetic sentence.
Ms Hopkin sounds like a great teacher:
>”Although this has been the worst experience of my life, I’m glad it was me that was there that day,” she said.
>”I’m glad I stopped you from killing [Fiona Elias]. I truly believe I saved you both that day. You are not a murderer.
>”I would not let you carry out your plan. I’m still here, I’m still alive, though at the time I was sure I was going to die.”
>Ms Hopkins said the girl had “been with her” every day since the attack.
>Addressing the teenager, she said: “Despite what you did, I worry about your future.”
>”I don’t want what happened that day to be what defines you.”
Wonder what the sentence would be if it were a boy who did itÂ
Netflix documentary on the threat of young girls shows in British schools when?
You too can help end the UK knife epidemic by just donating ÂŁ8.99 per month you can supply one child with a Netflix subscription.
This happened in my home town. For those interested, here is a more in depth account of the court proceedings, including the reasons the judge gave for his sentencing: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/ammanford-school-stabbing-live-updates-31522497