The decline really is horrifying. And the second chart suggests it’s at least not about how much time is spent online. That doesn’t mean it isn’t online content, though. Those spending less time could be spending a lot of it on women-hating content. What we need is a comparison of views of boys who watch this shit versus those who don’t. If we don’t get to the bottom of this, millions of boys will turn into millions of shitty voters and trump will be just the beginning….
Lobsterman06 on
What happens when ur parents vote for a guy who calls women dogs on national TV
Oddmob on
Do you have the data on girls?
UnrealizedLosses on
Ugh gross. Incel “alpha bro” culture
OOOshafiqOOO003 on
I can understand if the question is about women getting paid more than men, but this is disturbing as a man myself.
yongjong on
I wonder what the results are among girls same age.
Lez0fire on
That’s what happens when you try to overreach because gender equality was actually reached like 15-20 years ago.
rollsyrollsy on
I’m a progressive, who genuinely hopes to see more fairness across the board, and firmly believes that systemic power unbalances across demographic groups is deeply unhelpful in the long run.
That said, “feminism” has been co-opted by an enormous cohort of bandwagoning, reductionist online commentators who seem to hold that women are perennial and universal victims of men, who are universally perpetrators of all their ills.
I’m old enough to simply ignore it. But, a young person with less life experience may well be tired of being incorrectly condemned, and “pendulum swing” to some pretty unsavory red pill type bullshit.
pincheloca1208 on
With the redpill crap and gamer gate…is this a surprise? Andrew Tate fanboys and all that other crap.
mezmery on
Well, data also shows that inclusivity programs unequally benefitted upper middle class white women and not the intended groups, so i can see where this is coming from, briefly working in academia admin staff in the past.
Agasthenes on
The funny thing is right around that time was the big mee too movement and modern feminism high.
Turns out it actually was counterproductive as some people said.
upturned2289 on
Anybody have any information on the sample size and frame?
AndyCat9 on
Is it that young boys are learning misogyny somewhere, or that they’re not learning healthy mindsets? The media shames men all the time for things, but there are very few resources for men: low % of male teachers, no men’s groups like reading clubs or support groups, and very few media content that lifts men up like we see for women. I’m sure a lot of young boys feel rightfully disadvantaged. We need to consider the messages that are being sent out.
ambiuk21 on
Perhaps they’re learning that gender equality isn’t about equity, but giving one gender an advantage over the other
I have female friends that openly state that if we were to both interview for the same job, and we’re both equally qualified, she should get the job because she’s female
We believe in equality of opportunity, but that’s twisted to equality of outcome – quite different
Edit: it’s too complex an issue to explain well in a few sentences, so I won’t try. IMHO, the data shows pushback from “equality” delivering something entirely different from what was promised
I don’t personally know anyone in the western world that thinks women shouldn’t have equal opportunities and all fathers I know want the best for their daughters
However, I personally know a few from other cultures that have a different perspective
Waiting2Graduate on
One KEY difference is that around 2019 half of the schools surveyed started responding on tablets as opposed to a paper. 2020 onwards it was entirely a web based survey.
bruhbelacc on
This is not a change of support for the same thing because it gets redefined continuously. “A woman should have the same job opportunities as men” can mean two things: 1) women should be free to study and choose their career, and 2) the government and corporations need to incentivize women to get into male-dominated spaces. I fully support the first and strongly reject the second. “Doing the same work” is quite tricky, too. Does “the same work” factor working overtime, working longer hours and taking no maternity leave, which improve the employee productivity? If yes, then men will be rightfully paid more, and I agree. If no, I don’t agree.
Daewoo40 on
From those who have experienced the pendulum swinging the other direction to benefiting, almost exclusively, girls in education and positions in universities and college..
Why the surprise that those who don’t benefit wouldn’t be benevolent towards those who do?
Wasn’t this one of the main starting points for feminism; equality in education?
To swing from one direction, to the other, seemingly skipping over egalitarianism in the process.
Could be coincidence that Andrew Tate found fertile ground in boys/young men but his message has never been so far reaching, nor was it as recent as the chart shows.
beatlz-too on
We can’t even socially agree what “gender equality” means. These statistics are quite useless.
WeeWee19 on
Could some of those saying no just think these are poorly worded questions? I would guess that if you added “A man and woman with the same abilities” to the question that would significantly change the results.
kiliandj on
The world is moving backwards…
Gigislaps on
I’ll warn my daughter and educate my son.
FathomArtifice on
Funny how the men who are more online or more lonely (basically the types of men online feminists like to crap on all the time for being dangerous or misogynist) are actually more sympathetic to feminist beliefs.
RussellGrey on
Was there any significance testing for inference done on these differences or is this just showing the sample results?
hypphen on
this just in: a fork has been found in the kitchen
researchanddata on
Not really surprising since it’s not “gender equality”. It’s retribution disguised as progressivism.
FK506 on
The relentless online misandry and hate towards men has consequences who would have thought.
TheAskewOne on
Young people watch 4 hours of video every day? How do they have the time?
G_ntl_m_n on
Why is “disagree” “completely disagree “don’t know” not displayed?
Muvseevum on
When I was in school in the seventies, they told us girls could do anything boys could do and that we had equal value, I thought about it a second, said “OK,” and that’s been my position ever since.
q23- on
USA speedrunning the transition from superpower to third world
ItsKross on
i’m sure changing population demographics in regards to cultural background (with young boys belonging to traditionally egalitarian cultures being a smaller and smaller percentage, while young boys belonging to traditionally… *traditional* cultures and religious beliefs becoming a bigger and bigger percentage) has nothing to do with this.
Ad841 on
It’s sad to see but I’m not surprised. From the eyes of men, progressives has nothing to offer. While conservatives has all the answers they could ever want.
EasyAnnual2234 on
Wonder why so many young men can’t have sex… Probably cuz you’re all unfuckable losers. Idk
JustThatOtherDude on
Maaan… I feel like us millenials failed the zoomers harder than our parents did to us
fiddlemonkey on
And surprise surprise religion has a lot to do with it.
![[OC] Fewer American boys are supporting gender equality](https://www.byteseu.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/ckbx0i06sjye1-1024x887.jpg "[OC] Fewer American boys are supporting gender equality")
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The data source is the Monitoring the Future survey of 8th and 12th graders, [public use data available here](https://www.icpsr.umich.edu/web/peersdatahub/series/35).
Tools used are R and d3.js.
Full [blog post with many more charts is available here](https://blog.waldrn.com/p/american-boys-have-become-less-supportive).
Oh my, that country is going down.
The decline really is horrifying. And the second chart suggests it’s at least not about how much time is spent online. That doesn’t mean it isn’t online content, though. Those spending less time could be spending a lot of it on women-hating content. What we need is a comparison of views of boys who watch this shit versus those who don’t. If we don’t get to the bottom of this, millions of boys will turn into millions of shitty voters and trump will be just the beginning….
What happens when ur parents vote for a guy who calls women dogs on national TV
Do you have the data on girls?
Ugh gross. Incel “alpha bro” culture
I can understand if the question is about women getting paid more than men, but this is disturbing as a man myself.
I wonder what the results are among girls same age.
That’s what happens when you try to overreach because gender equality was actually reached like 15-20 years ago.
I’m a progressive, who genuinely hopes to see more fairness across the board, and firmly believes that systemic power unbalances across demographic groups is deeply unhelpful in the long run.
That said, “feminism” has been co-opted by an enormous cohort of bandwagoning, reductionist online commentators who seem to hold that women are perennial and universal victims of men, who are universally perpetrators of all their ills.
I’m old enough to simply ignore it. But, a young person with less life experience may well be tired of being incorrectly condemned, and “pendulum swing” to some pretty unsavory red pill type bullshit.
With the redpill crap and gamer gate…is this a surprise? Andrew Tate fanboys and all that other crap.
Well, data also shows that inclusivity programs unequally benefitted upper middle class white women and not the intended groups, so i can see where this is coming from, briefly working in academia admin staff in the past.
The funny thing is right around that time was the big mee too movement and modern feminism high.
Turns out it actually was counterproductive as some people said.
Anybody have any information on the sample size and frame?
Is it that young boys are learning misogyny somewhere, or that they’re not learning healthy mindsets? The media shames men all the time for things, but there are very few resources for men: low % of male teachers, no men’s groups like reading clubs or support groups, and very few media content that lifts men up like we see for women. I’m sure a lot of young boys feel rightfully disadvantaged. We need to consider the messages that are being sent out.
Perhaps they’re learning that gender equality isn’t about equity, but giving one gender an advantage over the other
I have female friends that openly state that if we were to both interview for the same job, and we’re both equally qualified, she should get the job because she’s female
We believe in equality of opportunity, but that’s twisted to equality of outcome – quite different
Edit: it’s too complex an issue to explain well in a few sentences, so I won’t try. IMHO, the data shows pushback from “equality” delivering something entirely different from what was promised
I don’t personally know anyone in the western world that thinks women shouldn’t have equal opportunities and all fathers I know want the best for their daughters
However, I personally know a few from other cultures that have a different perspective
One KEY difference is that around 2019 half of the schools surveyed started responding on tablets as opposed to a paper. 2020 onwards it was entirely a web based survey.
This is not a change of support for the same thing because it gets redefined continuously. “A woman should have the same job opportunities as men” can mean two things: 1) women should be free to study and choose their career, and 2) the government and corporations need to incentivize women to get into male-dominated spaces. I fully support the first and strongly reject the second. “Doing the same work” is quite tricky, too. Does “the same work” factor working overtime, working longer hours and taking no maternity leave, which improve the employee productivity? If yes, then men will be rightfully paid more, and I agree. If no, I don’t agree.
From those who have experienced the pendulum swinging the other direction to benefiting, almost exclusively, girls in education and positions in universities and college..
Why the surprise that those who don’t benefit wouldn’t be benevolent towards those who do?
Wasn’t this one of the main starting points for feminism; equality in education?
To swing from one direction, to the other, seemingly skipping over egalitarianism in the process.
Could be coincidence that Andrew Tate found fertile ground in boys/young men but his message has never been so far reaching, nor was it as recent as the chart shows.
We can’t even socially agree what “gender equality” means. These statistics are quite useless.
Could some of those saying no just think these are poorly worded questions? I would guess that if you added “A man and woman with the same abilities” to the question that would significantly change the results.
The world is moving backwards…
I’ll warn my daughter and educate my son.
Funny how the men who are more online or more lonely (basically the types of men online feminists like to crap on all the time for being dangerous or misogynist) are actually more sympathetic to feminist beliefs.
Was there any significance testing for inference done on these differences or is this just showing the sample results?
this just in: a fork has been found in the kitchen
Not really surprising since it’s not “gender equality”. It’s retribution disguised as progressivism.
The relentless online misandry and hate towards men has consequences who would have thought.
Young people watch 4 hours of video every day? How do they have the time?
Why is “disagree” “completely disagree “don’t know” not displayed?
When I was in school in the seventies, they told us girls could do anything boys could do and that we had equal value, I thought about it a second, said “OK,” and that’s been my position ever since.
USA speedrunning the transition from superpower to third world
i’m sure changing population demographics in regards to cultural background (with young boys belonging to traditionally egalitarian cultures being a smaller and smaller percentage, while young boys belonging to traditionally… *traditional* cultures and religious beliefs becoming a bigger and bigger percentage) has nothing to do with this.
It’s sad to see but I’m not surprised. From the eyes of men, progressives has nothing to offer. While conservatives has all the answers they could ever want.
Wonder why so many young men can’t have sex… Probably cuz you’re all unfuckable losers. Idk
Maaan… I feel like us millenials failed the zoomers harder than our parents did to us
And surprise surprise religion has a lot to do with it.