In other news, Starmer has just signed a trade deal with India making it easier for Indian workers to do work in UK and also not pay NI, making them even more cheaper to employ than British workers.
Head in sand
Robbiewan on
So it’s not the rich selling the country from underneath everyone?
Worldly_Table_5092 on
It’s nothing another 1.2 million people can’t fix! Come on people, let’s put our heads together and do a really big think!
corbynista2029 on
>To what extent, if any, do you think higher levels of immigration had a positive or negative impact on your living standards?
This is an example of a leading question. The question isn’t asking “do you think immigration policies post-Brexit had a positive or negative impact”, it’s asking about the impact of “higher levels of immigration”. To some respondents this may mean”higher than pre-Brexit”, to others it may mean “higher than post-Brexit”. It’s poor question design.
Haliucinogenas1 on
Migration is a great thing unless there is no strict control of it….
merryman1 on
Yes its the immigrants and not all the multi-millionaire asset-stripping non-doms that the Telegraph is otherwise so fucking desperate to defend.
Exact_Setting9562 on
I’m not sure the Telegraph is a good source of news.
curvyIover on
Living standards are down because billionaires hoard wealth and your rent’s half your paycheck. Immigrants didn’t do that. The people in charge did.
AncientStaff6602 on
Maybe I had a fever dream but pre-Brexit we had far fewer immigrants coming to the UK?
Lanky_Consideration3 on
Literally the second line in the article on the BBC
“The deal does not include any change in immigration policy, including towards Indian students studying in the UK”
Just in case anyone is reaching for the Reform panic button.
llyrPARRI on
The rich will continue to spout this bullshit and laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh.
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dandotcom on
Ah so its the immigrants that have been ploughing our waterways with sewage – righto, my mistake.
It was those pesky boaters who sold off our social housing and gave private firms the responsibility to provide short numbers on annual requirements whilst also delivering poorer standard builds – I see.
It is Ahmed and Poitr who are solely responsible for the poor state of the roads, and I thought it was the underfunded highways / councils. I feel like such a twit.
And its obviously and exclusively Johnny Foreigner’s fault that the NHS waiting times are so long, and here I was thinking that it was just another piece of infrastructure that had not been sufficiently grown and invested in.
It is all so clear to me now.
shoogliestpeg on
They’re not even talking about boat crossings, asylum seekers or illegal immigration, though the Telegraph’s choice of picture here is suggestive.
They’re talking about **ALL immigration**. Anyone who is foreign born.
This is simply a successful campaign of xenophobic radicalisation.
Some nations of the UK seem to have completely adopted the idea that **all** foreigners, regardless of where they are from, are inherently a drain not only on the economy – which is false – but also a drain on their personal living standards. Blaming foreigners for neoliberal austerity.
If you think this, Rupert Murdoch, the Rothermeres and the minority of the ultra rich that run this country thank you for your service, having turned your anger away from their looting your country, towards any and all migrants simply existing.
FlakTotem on
This conversation is just dumb.
Everyone is happy to say ‘i don’t like immigration!’ but despite it being **the** hot topic for the last 2 decades none of them have any plan, or most of them a comprehension, of how to handle the trade offs so a solution can actually become viable.
It’s just surface level emotion for **20 years.**
ThisCouldBeDumber on
It’s not migration, it’s corporations and capitalism.
But the wealthy aren’t going to tell you it’s their fault.
AdmiralMaximus on
As a middle class person who gets utterly decimated by labour, why do you people shift blame so easily?
Bubbly-Commission-72 on
Has no one noticed this dude literally just posts articles about migrants all day? Weird as fuck
NoYouCantHavePudding on
There’s been a deliberate race to the bottom for over a decade in the UK.
EquipmentMost8785 on
No shit when that’s what the voters here every day all day.
hb_fash on
It’s refreshing to see the posts condemning billionaires for actively profiting off cheap labour from migration. To me, it’s quite obvious that it’s the reason nothing meaningful is being done. They are addicted to it, and there’s a never-ending supply from plenty poor nations. It’s not the fault of the migrants. It’s the ultra wealthy.
Unfortunately, it’s never going to get better because every party is bank rolled by the very people who profit off the cheap labour.
Kobruh456 on
I think there’s another aspect to this whole thing that doesn’t get talked about enough. Cutting down immigration may improve our economic situation in the long term, but short term we will very much struggle due to our low number of working age people. If the British public wants less immigrants, they’ll have to accept a lower standard of living, for at least a decade or two. And quite frankly, I doubt the public will accept that.
Conscious-Cake6284 on
I mean maybe it is, is anyone officially looking into if it driving down living standards? Or are labour voters informed enough to comment…
Snoo-7986 on
Labour don’t care. They think reform gained votes due to WFA, and have signed a deal with India making UK workers more expensive then bringing someone halfway across the planet to do the job instead.
It seams to me that they actually hate the UK.
knitscones on
So you can’t name one thing that is solely English?
SweatyBadgers on
Not to worry, middle class Redditors are here to tell them they’re wrong while they larp as left wingers despite arguing in favour of the rich millionaires that greatly benefit from mass imported cheap labour keeping salaries low.
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In other news, Starmer has just signed a trade deal with India making it easier for Indian workers to do work in UK and also not pay NI, making them even more cheaper to employ than British workers.
Head in sand
So it’s not the rich selling the country from underneath everyone?
It’s nothing another 1.2 million people can’t fix! Come on people, let’s put our heads together and do a really big think!
>To what extent, if any, do you think higher levels of immigration had a positive or negative impact on your living standards?
This is an example of a leading question. The question isn’t asking “do you think immigration policies post-Brexit had a positive or negative impact”, it’s asking about the impact of “higher levels of immigration”. To some respondents this may mean”higher than pre-Brexit”, to others it may mean “higher than post-Brexit”. It’s poor question design.
Migration is a great thing unless there is no strict control of it….
Yes its the immigrants and not all the multi-millionaire asset-stripping non-doms that the Telegraph is otherwise so fucking desperate to defend.
I’m not sure the Telegraph is a good source of news.
Living standards are down because billionaires hoard wealth and your rent’s half your paycheck. Immigrants didn’t do that. The people in charge did.
Maybe I had a fever dream but pre-Brexit we had far fewer immigrants coming to the UK?
Literally the second line in the article on the BBC
“The deal does not include any change in immigration policy, including towards Indian students studying in the UK”
Just in case anyone is reaching for the Reform panic button.
The rich will continue to spout this bullshit and laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh.
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Ah so its the immigrants that have been ploughing our waterways with sewage – righto, my mistake.
It was those pesky boaters who sold off our social housing and gave private firms the responsibility to provide short numbers on annual requirements whilst also delivering poorer standard builds – I see.
It is Ahmed and Poitr who are solely responsible for the poor state of the roads, and I thought it was the underfunded highways / councils. I feel like such a twit.
And its obviously and exclusively Johnny Foreigner’s fault that the NHS waiting times are so long, and here I was thinking that it was just another piece of infrastructure that had not been sufficiently grown and invested in.
It is all so clear to me now.
They’re not even talking about boat crossings, asylum seekers or illegal immigration, though the Telegraph’s choice of picture here is suggestive.
They’re talking about **ALL immigration**. Anyone who is foreign born.
This is simply a successful campaign of xenophobic radicalisation.
Some nations of the UK seem to have completely adopted the idea that **all** foreigners, regardless of where they are from, are inherently a drain not only on the economy – which is false – but also a drain on their personal living standards. Blaming foreigners for neoliberal austerity.
If you think this, Rupert Murdoch, the Rothermeres and the minority of the ultra rich that run this country thank you for your service, having turned your anger away from their looting your country, towards any and all migrants simply existing.
This conversation is just dumb.
Everyone is happy to say ‘i don’t like immigration!’ but despite it being **the** hot topic for the last 2 decades none of them have any plan, or most of them a comprehension, of how to handle the trade offs so a solution can actually become viable.
It’s just surface level emotion for **20 years.**
It’s not migration, it’s corporations and capitalism.
But the wealthy aren’t going to tell you it’s their fault.
As a middle class person who gets utterly decimated by labour, why do you people shift blame so easily?
Has no one noticed this dude literally just posts articles about migrants all day? Weird as fuck
There’s been a deliberate race to the bottom for over a decade in the UK.
No shit when that’s what the voters here every day all day.
It’s refreshing to see the posts condemning billionaires for actively profiting off cheap labour from migration. To me, it’s quite obvious that it’s the reason nothing meaningful is being done. They are addicted to it, and there’s a never-ending supply from plenty poor nations. It’s not the fault of the migrants. It’s the ultra wealthy.
Unfortunately, it’s never going to get better because every party is bank rolled by the very people who profit off the cheap labour.
I think there’s another aspect to this whole thing that doesn’t get talked about enough. Cutting down immigration may improve our economic situation in the long term, but short term we will very much struggle due to our low number of working age people. If the British public wants less immigrants, they’ll have to accept a lower standard of living, for at least a decade or two. And quite frankly, I doubt the public will accept that.
I mean maybe it is, is anyone officially looking into if it driving down living standards? Or are labour voters informed enough to comment…
Labour don’t care. They think reform gained votes due to WFA, and have signed a deal with India making UK workers more expensive then bringing someone halfway across the planet to do the job instead.
It seams to me that they actually hate the UK.
So you can’t name one thing that is solely English?
Not to worry, middle class Redditors are here to tell them they’re wrong while they larp as left wingers despite arguing in favour of the rich millionaires that greatly benefit from mass imported cheap labour keeping salaries low.